He's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.
Korea is not especially unique, nor are Koreans especially competent. They really need to stop acting like western teachers are incapable of every little task.
Quote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want.
Quote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want. Also sorry love but isn't this your first year? It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.So you know this from one school? Doesn't mean it's true everywhere.
Quote from: Pennypie on April 25, 2018, 02:21:58 pmQuote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want. Also sorry love but isn't this your first year? It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.So you know this from one school? Doesn't mean it's true everywhere.But what if I want to be outraged and offended by everything, all of the time?
Quote from: Pennypie on April 25, 2018, 02:21:58 pmQuote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want.My way of doing things works for me and ultimately people seem to like me enough to want to keep me around. Whenever I've transferred away from a school, people have been pretty upset, or at the very least concerned about whether the next person will perform as well in the classroom.I am nice and friendly to people in general, but I will not take any kind of crap. When I do feel slighted, I'm enough of an asshole that people try very hard to avoid upsetting me again. They much prefer the nice and friendly StillInKorea to the asshole StillInKorea.As for being rude to the lunch ladies, I didn't say anything to them other than thanks when they passed me my food. At that point I hadn't realised, and I wasn't going to go back and start a fight. The 5th grade teacher took it upon himself to inform them of the situation because he saw that I was pissed and he's a decent dude.I have zero interest in people "seeing how lovely and polite" I am. That is not how you act in a Korean workplace. People like me enough, continue to employ me, and I get a lot less crap than the nice and polite teachers in Korea. My way works just fine.
Yeah it might not be applicable to every school but it's applicable to mine and several others. First year or not.I'm not the first too nice NET and I certainly won't be the last. There is plenty I enjoy about my school but there's also a lot that was thrown at me because I was trying to be polite and not offend anyone. There always have been and always will be people that take advantage of those they think are weak and vulnerable. I was stupid enough to keep my mouth shut every time it happened and that was my fault. Once someone shows you that they will step on you to get ahead, it's up to you to buck up and put them back in their place.I'm still plenty nice and polite to those who deserve it, like my higher grade students and the lower grades who DO respect me. I still smile and say hello to everyone and answer "where are you from?" for the 9th time in a row just as happily as I did the first time.My lack of months here doesn't make me any less entitled to a view on what's going on.
Quote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:51:39 pmYeah it might not be applicable to every school but it's applicable to mine and several others. First year or not.I'm not the first too nice NET and I certainly won't be the last. There is plenty I enjoy about my school but there's also a lot that was thrown at me because I was trying to be polite and not offend anyone. There always have been and always will be people that take advantage of those they think are weak and vulnerable. I was stupid enough to keep my mouth shut every time it happened and that was my fault. Once someone shows you that they will step on you to get ahead, it's up to you to buck up and put them back in their place.I'm still plenty nice and polite to those who deserve it, like my higher grade students and the lower grades who DO respect me. I still smile and say hello to everyone and answer "where are you from?" for the 9th time in a row just as happily as I did the first time.My lack of months here doesn't make me any less entitled to a view on what's going on.You're right, it doesn't. You are absolutely entitled to your view. Your lack of months here does mean that you might not understand what is going on quite as well as someone who has been here years though. It sounds like I'm being horrible to you, I don't mean to be. I genuinely think you have a hard situation and i'm glad you're standing up for yourself more. I think your school try to take advantage because they're shitty. Not because you're too nice.
Quote from: StillInKorea on April 25, 2018, 12:57:43 pmKorea is not especially unique, nor are Koreans especially competent. They really need to stop acting like western teachers are incapable of every little task. You got a KTX ticket to Daegu..................... BY YOURSELF????? Yeah.........
Quote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 02:30:53 pmQuote from: StillInKorea on April 25, 2018, 12:57:43 pmKorea is not especially unique, nor are Koreans especially competent. They really need to stop acting like western teachers are incapable of every little task. You got a KTX ticket to Daegu..................... BY YOURSELF????? Yeah......... The window is open? Did you open the window, Tadpole Teacher? Yeah Oh! Good job!I mean, windows open the same way in America too. I've been capable of opening them for a solid 20 years now.
i got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28
Quote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH
Quote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply.
Quote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. But I get that the instances of coddling can be tiresome. Apparently I reminded all of the older teachers of their own kid/s so they sometimes extended the coddling to me... They meant well and I appreciated it but occasionally I wanted to be like I'M AN ADULT and I have lived on my own before! "Do you lock your door? You should lock your door at night." "Yes. I'm from America." This one is really just... Korean. *mild mist* "Where is your umbrella?! I have one you can borrow!" (like a chorus) This one was just funny: one time I had a few cheon won in my pocket for bus fare-- my principal saw this and started miming like he was gonna pick my pocket. He didn't speak much English, but wanted to warn me about thieves... literally was going directly to the bus after getting off the ferry. Ah yes, the dangers of the mainland
Quote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. LMAO
Quote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues.
Quote from: yirj17 on April 25, 2018, 07:54:37 pmYea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. i have heard this, but i do not understand itif i get hit by a truck, i could potentially sue the school because it happened in 'school time'? is that it?
Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues.