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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7140 on: November 27, 2017, 10:38:15 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

Do they do Geography in elementary school? Not sure they do. They don't learn History until the 2nd grade of middle school.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7141 on: November 27, 2017, 10:39:49 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.  It was if i was perfoming sorcery in the class.  Their minds were exploding.

I teach in a university!


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7142 on: November 27, 2017, 10:49:05 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.  It was if i was perfoming sorcery in the class.  Their minds were exploding.

I teach in a university!
Why the f do they put it in the fruit salads then???????????


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7143 on: November 27, 2017, 10:52:33 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

Do they do Geography in elementary school? Not sure they do. They don't learn History until the 2nd grade of middle school.

Nope, when teaching comparatives I showed a side by side picture of Africa and South America.
I asked which continent had more countries. Even the HR teacher (no CT teacher for that class), could tell which was South America and which was Africa.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7144 on: November 27, 2017, 11:28:38 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.  It was if i was perfoming sorcery in the class.  Their minds were exploding.

I teach in a university!

Almost every Korean I've ever met has considered a tomato a fruit.

What a strange thing to ask every Korean you meet.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7145 on: November 27, 2017, 11:40:23 am »
I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.

Did you know that peanuts are legumes (beans)?
That vanilla is a fruit?
Strawberries, apples and pears are technically not actual fruit?
Coffee beans are berries?
Rhubarb is a vegetable?

One could make a pretty interesting goldenbell ppt out of food/plant facts.  :smiley:

Also, as Miles Kington once said: “Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.”


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7146 on: November 27, 2017, 11:44:24 am »
I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.

Did you know that peanuts are legumes (beans)?
That vanilla is a fruit?
Strawberries, apples and pears are technically not actual fruit?
Coffee beans are berries?
Rhubarb is a vegetable?

One could make a pretty interesting goldenbell ppt out of food/plant facts.  :smiley:

Also, as Miles Kington once said: “Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.”

That moment when one realizes I've no idea what I've really been eating all these years  :shocked:

Vanilla is the most shocking


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7147 on: November 27, 2017, 11:49:43 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.
And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.
They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I'm not at all surprised that people here (not just kids) would think that Jeju is bigger than Hawaii. How well do most citizens know the relative size of obscure islands belonging to foreign nations?

For example, I wouldn't be at all surprised or offended if some random English speaking expat didn't know that Vancouver Island is bigger than the Hawaiian islands.  :undecided:

...on the other hand, thinking that a tiny river like the Han is bigger than the Amazon is a bit mind-boggling. The Amazon discharges around 350 times as much water per second.
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« Reply #7148 on: November 27, 2017, 12:08:35 pm »
Vancouver Island is practically the same size as the Republic of Korea.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7149 on: November 27, 2017, 12:15:08 pm »
Vancouver Island is practically the same size as the Republic of Korea.

Really?? Because I'm getting 100 000km2 for S Korea and 31 200km2 for Van Island.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7150 on: November 27, 2017, 12:16:57 pm »
Vancouver Island is practically the same size as the Republic of Korea.
Well, about 1/3 the size of south Korea. It's actually only about 8% larger than Hawai'i, which is why I used it for my example.  :smiley:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7151 on: November 27, 2017, 12:22:57 pm »
I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.

Did you know that peanuts are legumes (beans)? Yes, more of a pea than a nut
That vanilla is a fruit? As it is a seed pod, it fits the definition perfectly
Strawberries, apples and pears are technically not actual fruit? technically they are berries - a pod holding multiple seeds, which ironically mmeans most fruit we call "berries" are not actually berries - The strawberry is actually a "false fruit" as the seeds are not encased withing the flesh/casing
Coffee beans are berries? no, the coffee cherry is a berry (multiple seeds in a pod/case), but the coffee "bean" is the stone inside.  Akin to a peach pitt if you will.
Rhubarb is a vegetable? Rhubarb is indeed a vegetable.  I come from the area known as "The Rhubarb triangle"!

One could make a pretty interesting goldenbell ppt out of food/plant facts.  :smiley:

Also, as Miles Kington once said: “Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.”
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7152 on: November 27, 2017, 02:10:22 pm »
Coffee beans are berries? no, the coffee cherry is a berry (multiple seeds in a pod/case), but the coffee "bean" is the stone inside.  Akin to a peach pitt if you will.
Good catch. Your absolutely right: I meant to say / should have said "from a berry".


First of all, it's not a matter of taking offence. It's just an example of how small of a world view people can have. Secondly, most adult Koreans know that their country is very small. Even if adult Koreans didnt know the relative size of Hawaii, they wouldn't be shocked to hear that it's bigger than any place in Korea. I think the students just haven't realised it yet. Third, Hawaii is not an obscure island. They know what Hawaii is. Whenever I ask my students what they know about the USA, Hawaii is always up there with L.A./California, NY, Texas etc.

Not knowing something is different than being shocked/unaccepting of the information. I don't think they understand the relative size of anything in Korea to anywhere else in the world.
     Knowing about a place, doesn't mean that one necessarily knows much about its geography.
I know a fair bit about the Azores, the Falklands, Sicily, the Shetlands, and Guam, but without access to google, I would be hesitant about ranking them from largest to smallest (I have an idea, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it).
     Whether something is obscure or not really is a matter of perspective. Most North Americans will know a fair amount about Hawai'i and Vancouver Island and not so much about the Shetlands and the Falklands. Most folk from the UK will be the opposite.
     Most Koreans are constantly told that Jeju-do is the biggest and most tropical island in Korea, so I'm not surprised that that would figure in their comparisons with other Islands elsewhere. Tie a generous dollop of nationalism to that, and their impressions will be even more skewed.

And you're right: it's not a matter of offence. I meant that sentence to apply to me personally, not to people in general -- I apologize if I gave the wrong impression.  :smiley:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7153 on: November 28, 2017, 07:50:34 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

Very interesting.  And completely different from my experience in five or six years of teaching comparisons to sixth graders.  I have a PPT where students must make sentences based on the pictures and the positive adjective.  Not even once has a group said the Han is wider than the Amazon or Namsan Tower is taller than Eiffel Tower.  Nowadays, they usually even know that Hyperion Tower is taller than 63 building.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7154 on: November 28, 2017, 07:53:43 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.  It was if i was perfoming sorcery in the class.  Their minds were exploding.

I teach in a university!
Possibly because you decided to foist upon them one of the most tedious facts in the history of mankind?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7155 on: November 28, 2017, 07:57:17 am »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.  It was if i was perfoming sorcery in the class.  Their minds were exploding.

I teach in a university!
Possibly because you decided to foist upon them one of the most tedious facts in the history of mankind?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7156 on: November 28, 2017, 08:22:57 am »
I guess it throws their whole belief system into question. If you told an American that their country is not the best in the world, you'd get a lot of outright denial, rightly or wrongly from a lot of people. I'm not saying the US isn't the best country, but the belief that it's the best seems to be pretty non-partisan in my experience.

I found out that the tooth fairy and santa clause were made at the same dinner. That was pretty tough year of high school.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7157 on: November 28, 2017, 08:42:17 am »
I guess it throws their whole belief system into question. If you told an American that their country is not the best in the world, you'd get a lot of outright denial, rightly or wrongly from a lot of people. I'm not saying the US isn't the best country, but the belief that it's the best seems to be pretty non-partisan in my experience.

I found out that the tooth fairy and santa clause were made at the same dinner. That was pretty tough year of high school.

Yeah, but it'd be like telling an American that the Mississippi isn't the longest and then acting shocked.

Then you tell them that the longest one is in BFE and they get all huffy puffy about it. hahahaha 


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« Reply #7158 on: November 28, 2017, 08:45:45 am »
I'm really starting to resent going into my third grade classes due to how pointless it has all become. They are lovely kids and I will miss them when they are gone, but their exams are finished, what is the point?

In the UK the academic term is from September to around the 20th July. In year 11 which is 15/16 you take your final exams around May to early June and you enjoy an extra long summer break. I remember it well, it was such a great time in my life; from staying up till 4am playing playstation to seeing my friends every day, it was awesome. There was no coming back doing nonsense until July. Let the kids have a nice long break where they can actually be kids. Let them have fun before they have the (futile) stresses of High School to deal with. I really do feel sorry for them, it's not fair at all.

The other day my ct mentioned how its hard to control them now their tests are over. Fortunately, I haven't had too much of an issue, just yet at least, but can you blame them? If we had to come back to school until July after our final exams which we had spent the last 4 years prepping for, we would have come in fuelled on resentment.


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« Reply #7159 on: November 28, 2017, 12:08:35 pm »
I can't believe these 6th graders think the Han river is bigger than the Amazon river.

And Jeju is bigger than Hawaii.


They act shocked and offended when I show them the comparisons.

I told a class of students that a tomato was a fruit on friday.  The look of shock, horror and disbelief on their faces was amazing.  It was if i was perfoming sorcery in the class.  Their minds were exploding.

I teach in a university!
Possibly because you decided to foist upon them one of the most tedious facts in the history of mankind?

Haha!

I wonder how often the kids are just deliberately riling up the teacher during these stories?