RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, I hate putting the ㄹ onm the end of r words. The 어 is enough.

Teechaw sounds weird enough without the studetns saying teechawl. 

It's always great when someone is being rung up at the supermarket and when the cashier tells them how much they owe, the customer pulls out their fuckin telephone to open some app, that invariably will not work properly.

So they stand their like a goose, faffing about with their phone. All for what? To save some points?

If you are going to be an absolute mug and let them zap your phone and sell your data to who knows, then fine, some people can't be helped. But at least have the shit open and ready to go so you arent holding up every other ****** in the line.

It's always great when someone is being rung up at the supermarket and when the cashier tells them how much they owe, the customer pulls out their fuckin telephone to open some app, that invariably will not work properly.

So they stand their like a goose, faffing about with their phone. All for what? To save some points?

If you are going to be an absolute mug and let them zap your phone and sell your data to who knows, then fine, some people can't be helped. But at least have the shit open and ready to go so you arent holding up every other ****** in the line.

Cashier: Can I take your order?

Person who's been in line for 2 minutes and has been to McD 200 times in their life: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhh

Does that mean there's a difference in how different kinds of business trips are treated with regards to whether or not you have to come in first? So maybe it's not the same as "taking a half day," but more like "You have to be able to come in first in order to get this kind of business trip"? Is the issue here that immigration and medical are considered the type of business trip for which you have to come in to work first, and since I couldn't come in first if I wanted to make it to my appointment on time, I don't qualify for that kind of business trip?

I don't know. Fingers crossed someone can point me towards the regulation saying they can't make me use a day, hahaha.

it is entirely possible to take whole-day business trips. myself and my coteachers have done it before when we had to attend these dumb training seminars on the other side of the province i used to live in.

your school is just shit and your principal is a dick. they are feeding you a bunch of nonsense. NEIS is a nationalised system. NATIONAL. those rules they're telling you are their own stupid rules they've made up.

your school is just shit and your principal is a dick. they are feeding you a bunch of nonsense. NEIS is a nationalised system. NATIONAL. those rules they're telling you are their own stupid rules they've made up.

I contacted my POE coordinator and he told me the school was right, so I don't think they made it up. I think it's more likely that while the concept of a taking a business trip is an NEIS thing, the standards for what qualifies as a business trip can differ. Just because NEIS allows for business trips to be taken doesn't necessarily mean that all trips count as business trips. That seems to be the crux of the issue here: Other provinces allow immigration trips to count as business trips, my province apparently doesn't.

Does that mean there's a difference in how different kinds of business trips are treated with regards to whether or not you have to come in first? So maybe it's not the same as "taking a half day," but more like "You have to be able to come in first in order to get this kind of business trip"? Is the issue here that immigration and medical are considered the type of business trip for which you have to come in to work first, and since I couldn't come in first if I wanted to make it to my appointment on time, I don't qualify for that kind of business trip?

I don't know. Fingers crossed someone can point me towards the regulation saying they can't make me use a day, hahaha.

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

it is entirely possible to take whole-day business trips. myself and my coteachers have done it before when we had to attend these dumb training seminars on the other side of the province i used to live in.

your school is just shit and your principal is a dick. they are feeding you a bunch of nonsense. NEIS is a nationalised system. NATIONAL. those rules they're telling you are their own stupid rules they've made up.

Someone has "cleaned" the whiteboard in my classroom and it's ruined now.  Looks like they used soap and water.

Yay.

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to.

He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.

Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem. 

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to.

He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.

Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem. 

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to.

He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.

Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem. 

I hope you can find one that says it is. I'd hate for someone to lose a vacation day for something work related.
I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.

I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate...  everything. 

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.

I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate...  everything. 

I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\
I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:

I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\
I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:

I imagine he'd just say I was fortunate in the past that I had schools/principals who were nice enough to not make me take a vacation day for it. It isn't that the rules have changed, it's that they've been applied inconsistently.

I worry that if I press the issue, I'll just end up causing trouble for other NETs. If I make a fuss, sure, I might end up not having to take a vacation day. OR, I might end up prompting the POE to crack down and force all schools in the province to require their NETs to take a vacation day for it.

Remember, it used to be up to the school's discretion whether or not NETs had to come in to deskwarm during winter and summer breaks. The teachers who had to deskwarm complained about it to their POEs, and rather then allowing those teachers to stay home, they told all the schools that NETs have to deskwarm. It'd be cool to not have to waste a vacation day on this, but it would be a fair bit less cool to screw every other NET in my province out of a vacation day. 

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.

I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate...  everything. 

What did you log your previous trips to immigration as? Just log into NEIS and check.

I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\
I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:

I imagine he'd just say I was fortunate in the past that I had schools/principals who were nice enough to not make me take a vacation day for it. It isn't that the rules have changed, it's that they've been applied inconsistently.

I worry that if I press the issue, I'll just end up causing trouble for other NETs. If I make a fuss, sure, I might end up not having to take a vacation day. OR, I might end up prompting the POE to crack down and force all schools in the province to require their NETs to take a vacation day for it.

Remember, it used to be up to the school's discretion whether or not NETs had to come in to deskwarm during winter and summer breaks. The teachers who had to deskwarm complained about it to their POEs, and rather then allowing those teachers to stay home, they told all the schools that NETs have to deskwarm. It'd be cool to not have to waste a vacation day on this, but it would be a fair bit less cool to screw every other NET in my province out of a vacation day. 

I forgot pushing it could be a double edged sword in that regards haha >.<

What did you log your previous trips to immigration as? Just log into NEIS and check.

What difference would that make? Even if I were to show them that it was logged as a business trip in the past, that would only really demonstrate that I was lucky in the past and had schools/principals who were generous. It wouldn't obligate them to change their mind about it now, if there's no rule saying immigration trips have to be logged as business trips.

People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long.

(I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)

People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long.

(I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)

Holy shit, you weren't kidding. Jesus. Mr. Mandu Cando Attitude