RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to.

He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.

Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem. 

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to.

He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.

Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem. 

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.

Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.

In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?

Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to.

He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.

Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem. 

I hope you can find one that says it is. I'd hate for someone to lose a vacation day for something work related.
I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.

I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate...  everything. 

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.

I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate...  everything. 

I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\
I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:

I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\
I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:

I imagine he'd just say I was fortunate in the past that I had schools/principals who were nice enough to not make me take a vacation day for it. It isn't that the rules have changed, it's that they've been applied inconsistently.

I worry that if I press the issue, I'll just end up causing trouble for other NETs. If I make a fuss, sure, I might end up not having to take a vacation day. OR, I might end up prompting the POE to crack down and force all schools in the province to require their NETs to take a vacation day for it.

Remember, it used to be up to the school's discretion whether or not NETs had to come in to deskwarm during winter and summer breaks. The teachers who had to deskwarm complained about it to their POEs, and rather then allowing those teachers to stay home, they told all the schools that NETs have to deskwarm. It'd be cool to not have to waste a vacation day on this, but it would be a fair bit less cool to screw every other NET in my province out of a vacation day. 

Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?

As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.

I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.

His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate...  everything. 

What did you log your previous trips to immigration as? Just log into NEIS and check.

I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\
I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:

I imagine he'd just say I was fortunate in the past that I had schools/principals who were nice enough to not make me take a vacation day for it. It isn't that the rules have changed, it's that they've been applied inconsistently.

I worry that if I press the issue, I'll just end up causing trouble for other NETs. If I make a fuss, sure, I might end up not having to take a vacation day. OR, I might end up prompting the POE to crack down and force all schools in the province to require their NETs to take a vacation day for it.

Remember, it used to be up to the school's discretion whether or not NETs had to come in to deskwarm during winter and summer breaks. The teachers who had to deskwarm complained about it to their POEs, and rather then allowing those teachers to stay home, they told all the schools that NETs have to deskwarm. It'd be cool to not have to waste a vacation day on this, but it would be a fair bit less cool to screw every other NET in my province out of a vacation day. 

I forgot pushing it could be a double edged sword in that regards haha >.<

What did you log your previous trips to immigration as? Just log into NEIS and check.

What difference would that make? Even if I were to show them that it was logged as a business trip in the past, that would only really demonstrate that I was lucky in the past and had schools/principals who were generous. It wouldn't obligate them to change their mind about it now, if there's no rule saying immigration trips have to be logged as business trips.

People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long.

(I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)

People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long.

(I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)

Holy shit, you weren't kidding. Jesus. Mr. Mandu Cando Attitude

People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long.

(I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)

TBH, I'd probably have enough time in the day to read it through twice, if I really wanted to. :p
(I work in a tiny rural school, and there isn't a lot to do most of the day haha).

People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long.

(I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)

  It's honestly the funniest thing to me because my coteachers, while very nice, are all last minute planners (2 of them are new and one is about to leave for the military). So I'm doing a different lesson for a different grade (who are all in different points in the lesson) everyday. It's almost impossible for me to plan ahead (at least with specifics). I find tons of activities (since I am 'activities teacher', oh well *shrugs*) for each lesson and wait to find out which ones they want when the time comes. But when I've done that, what else can I do with my 3 hours after class? I read threads!

Anyway, this wasn't a rant. I'll make sure to be more aggressive next time. 

i've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.

since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.

nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyone

i've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.

since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.

nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyone

Just remember that this is not because TV from one country is better than TV from another country. That notion is beyond the realms of possibility. It's simply because you don't speak Korean well enough or understand the culture.  I will further prove this point to you by bringing to your attention the existence of several banal prime time UK TV shows like Love Island, I'm a Celebrity and and Great British Bake Off.

(Just filling in for Martin till tomorrow) 

i've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.

since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.

nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyone

Just remember that this is not because TV from one country is better than TV from another country. That notion is beyond the realms of possibility. It's simply because you don't speak Korean well enough or understand the culture.

That culture being really sh!tty TV programming.

i've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.

since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.

nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyone

I get my fill of Korean TV when I visit certain restaurants. It guarantees that I'll never use the TV in my home for anything other than movies or games.

i've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.

since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.

nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyone

homes under the hammer?