This is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS.
Quote from: #basedcowboyshirt on March 28, 2019, 07:54:00 amThis is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS. Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.
Quote from: Mister Tim on March 28, 2019, 08:44:13 amQuote from: #basedcowboyshirt on March 28, 2019, 07:54:00 amThis is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS. Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?
Quote from: Kayos on March 28, 2019, 08:46:35 amQuote from: Mister Tim on March 28, 2019, 08:44:13 amQuote from: #basedcowboyshirt on March 28, 2019, 07:54:00 amThis is 100% accurate. Again, it's not how long you're away for, it's what it's categorized in on NEIS. Except it wasn't 100% accurate, as my school wasn't just making sh!t up, unless the POE is in on it. Whether or not you can take a full day for a business trip is irrelevant if the POE doesn't consider trips to immigration to be business trips. I thought the issue might have been the length of the trip, which is why I was asking those hypotheticals, but the problem is the nature of the trip, not the length.In previous years, did you have to use a vacation day on that?Nope. In previous years I never had to take a full day, because my schools let a CoT take me. I suspect that schools can use their own discretion whether or not to count something as a business trip, and my current principal is a hardline, by-the-book-type. If the rules don't specifically say a trip to immigration is considered a business trip, then he isn't going to count it as one. It's the same reason he didn't let a CoT take me: There's no rule saying he has to. He's a dick, yes, but he isn't just making rules up. That's why I was hoping someone could point me towards a national law that says immigration trips must be considered business trips, rather than just something like "my province lets me" or "it's in my (province-specific) contract." If I had something to show my POE coordinator stating it's supposed to be a business trip, this would all be a non-issue.Oh well. I should probably move on to something new to rant and/or vent about, and stop clogging this thread up with this one stupid problem.
Just register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?
I'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.
Quote from: StillInKorea on March 28, 2019, 09:45:37 amJust register it as a business trip. He will deny it. Apply again. Refuse to go to Immigration until he approves it. What are they going to do? Let you work illegally?As I said before, I've already gone to immigration. I'd rather lose a vacation day than have to deal with whatever nonsense would be involved with trying to renew an expired visa/ARC.Quote from: Kayos on March 28, 2019, 09:46:14 amI'd would try your contact at the education office again just to argue that fact, that you shouldn't have to lose a vacation day to a work thing.His response was "That's how it's always been," so I'm not sure trying him again would have much of a point. Most likely I have to just chalk this up as a lesson learned about how things are done here, and add it to the list of reasons I hate... everything.
I mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:
Quote from: Kayos on March 28, 2019, 10:09:51 amI mean, you mentioned you never had to in the past, I'd would start with that, contact him and ask him why it has changed. :o Maybe if you make a big enough fuss about it, they'll change their tune. It just sucks to lose a vacation day over a work thing :\I've only ever known people do treat them as business trips but, I don't know if there is, or isn't a law or something that states that. D:I imagine he'd just say I was fortunate in the past that I had schools/principals who were nice enough to not make me take a vacation day for it. It isn't that the rules have changed, it's that they've been applied inconsistently. I worry that if I press the issue, I'll just end up causing trouble for other NETs. If I make a fuss, sure, I might end up not having to take a vacation day. OR, I might end up prompting the POE to crack down and force all schools in the province to require their NETs to take a vacation day for it. Remember, it used to be up to the school's discretion whether or not NETs had to come in to deskwarm during winter and summer breaks. The teachers who had to deskwarm complained about it to their POEs, and rather then allowing those teachers to stay home, they told all the schools that NETs have to deskwarm. It'd be cool to not have to waste a vacation day on this, but it would be a fair bit less cool to screw every other NET in my province out of a vacation day.
What did you log your previous trips to immigration as? Just log into NEIS and check.
People having enough time during the work day to "catch up on a thread" before posting. Especially when said thread is over a hundred pages long. (I'm joking! We all love you, a_mandu328!)
i've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyone
Quote from: oglop on April 04, 2019, 08:12:48 pmi've been in the uk for the past month. during that time i enjoyed watching a variety of interesting programmes on tv.since being back, i must have watched people eating instant noodles on tv about 4 times, and i've only been back 2 days. what is with this? it's the same shit over and over again. if it's not eating noodles its cleaning the house or even worse - watching people watch people cleaning the house.nothing interesting is happening. it's 9pm - prime time - and this is tv at its best? i've clearly forgotten how incredibly inane korean tv is. i just cannot get my head around why this would be entertaining to.......anyoneJust remember that this is not because TV from one country is better than TV from another country. That notion is beyond the realms of possibility. It's simply because you don't speak Korean well enough or understand the culture.