Quote from: Aristocrat on December 05, 2018, 08:27:39 pmQuote from: sligo on December 05, 2018, 03:25:22 pmQuote from: Mister Tim on December 05, 2018, 02:15:31 pmI don't know why I bother having class rules when I'm not allowed to enforce any real consequences for breaking them. It'd be nice if my school had my back on it, but they absolutely do not. I'm seriously tempted to remove "No sleeping" and "Always bring your book and a writing utensil" from my classroom rules, because trying to enforce them is totally pointless. If the KETs and school administrators deal with disobedient students by just throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, what're you gonna do, am I right?" then maybe I should, too.I have university students who turn up to their final exams without pens or pencils, and not just freshmen. Every semester at least 3 students sit like lemons, and WAIT until i ask is they have a pan or pencil before they say "no". i even remind them in the class before the exam that they must bring a pen or pencil. This semester, if they sit silently, i am just going to leave them, if they don't have the gumption to ask, let them fail! I am surprised these "adults" know how to wipe their arses sometimes.Is the university situation still like the old days, where some universities will pass students no matter how poorly they perform?A friend of mine emailed her professor (a British guy teaching an English Lit course as part of her master's degree) asking if he would change her grade because "Korean professors always do that and just give you 100%". She also asked him if they could "skip the final exam" because "Koreans usually don't have to do that at uni".
Quote from: sligo on December 05, 2018, 03:25:22 pmQuote from: Mister Tim on December 05, 2018, 02:15:31 pmI don't know why I bother having class rules when I'm not allowed to enforce any real consequences for breaking them. It'd be nice if my school had my back on it, but they absolutely do not. I'm seriously tempted to remove "No sleeping" and "Always bring your book and a writing utensil" from my classroom rules, because trying to enforce them is totally pointless. If the KETs and school administrators deal with disobedient students by just throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, what're you gonna do, am I right?" then maybe I should, too.I have university students who turn up to their final exams without pens or pencils, and not just freshmen. Every semester at least 3 students sit like lemons, and WAIT until i ask is they have a pan or pencil before they say "no". i even remind them in the class before the exam that they must bring a pen or pencil. This semester, if they sit silently, i am just going to leave them, if they don't have the gumption to ask, let them fail! I am surprised these "adults" know how to wipe their arses sometimes.Is the university situation still like the old days, where some universities will pass students no matter how poorly they perform?
Quote from: Mister Tim on December 05, 2018, 02:15:31 pmI don't know why I bother having class rules when I'm not allowed to enforce any real consequences for breaking them. It'd be nice if my school had my back on it, but they absolutely do not. I'm seriously tempted to remove "No sleeping" and "Always bring your book and a writing utensil" from my classroom rules, because trying to enforce them is totally pointless. If the KETs and school administrators deal with disobedient students by just throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, what're you gonna do, am I right?" then maybe I should, too.I have university students who turn up to their final exams without pens or pencils, and not just freshmen. Every semester at least 3 students sit like lemons, and WAIT until i ask is they have a pan or pencil before they say "no". i even remind them in the class before the exam that they must bring a pen or pencil. This semester, if they sit silently, i am just going to leave them, if they don't have the gumption to ask, let them fail! I am surprised these "adults" know how to wipe their arses sometimes.
I don't know why I bother having class rules when I'm not allowed to enforce any real consequences for breaking them. It'd be nice if my school had my back on it, but they absolutely do not. I'm seriously tempted to remove "No sleeping" and "Always bring your book and a writing utensil" from my classroom rules, because trying to enforce them is totally pointless. If the KETs and school administrators deal with disobedient students by just throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, what're you gonna do, am I right?" then maybe I should, too.
Quote from: oglop on December 05, 2018, 02:29:15 pmQuote from: Mister Tim on December 05, 2018, 02:15:31 pmI don't know why I bother having class rules when I'm not allowed to enforce any real consequences for breaking them. It'd be nice if my school had my back on it, but they absolutely do not. I'm seriously tempted to remove "No sleeping" and "Always bring your book and a writing utensil" from my classroom rules, because trying to enforce them is totally pointless. If the KETs and school administrators deal with disobedient students by just throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, what're you gonna do, am I right?" then maybe I should, too.they are just children....please understand themIn my case, the response is more like "We wish we could do something about it, too, but we can't."I'm not advocating for a return to corporal punishment or anything (I'll leave that to Cynea/Aurata), but it's definitely a problem that when they got rid of corporal punishment, they didn't institute anything in its place. No detention, no suspension, no extra homework, nothing. A student can come to school and act up and/or do sweet f*ck-all from the first day of elementary to the last day of high school, and still graduate on time with all his friends, having learned nothing except that there are no consequences for his actions.I'm honestly not convinced it does frustrate them as much as it frustrates me, though .
Quote from: Mister Tim on December 05, 2018, 02:15:31 pmI don't know why I bother having class rules when I'm not allowed to enforce any real consequences for breaking them. It'd be nice if my school had my back on it, but they absolutely do not. I'm seriously tempted to remove "No sleeping" and "Always bring your book and a writing utensil" from my classroom rules, because trying to enforce them is totally pointless. If the KETs and school administrators deal with disobedient students by just throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, what're you gonna do, am I right?" then maybe I should, too.they are just children....please understand them
I have university students who turn up to their final exams without pens or pencils, and not just freshmen. Every semester at least 3 students sit like lemons, and WAIT until i ask is they have a pan or pencil before they say "no". i even remind them in the class before the exam that they must bring a pen or pencil. This semester, if they sit silently, i am just going to leave them, if they don't have the gumption to ask, let them fail! I am surprised these "adults" know how to wipe their arses sometimes.
A lot of that is just students trying to hoodwink apparently clueless foreign teachers. I've noticed that students asking for grade increases had dropped way off in the last 3 or 4 years. The first year I was here, after grades were released my email would be flooded with sob stories about how they "need an A" for a scholarship, their dying family member, a job to support said dying family member etc.
Didn't they recently pass a law making it illegal for uni students to ask for grade increases from their profs?
Quote from: kyndo on December 06, 2018, 08:30:45 am Didn't they recently pass a law making it illegal for uni students to ask for grade increases from their profs?Isn't there a law making it illegal to run a red light?
is it really necessary to leave a note saying "when finish your class, please turn off computer!!" when once - in 10 months - this situation has happened? it wasn't even my fault - it must have done some system updates after i pressed "off" then restarted.
Quote from: oglop on December 06, 2018, 01:37:13 pmis it really necessary to leave a note saying "when finish your class, please turn off computer!!" when once - in 10 months - this situation has happened? it wasn't even my fault - it must have done some system updates after i pressed "off" then restarted.Jesus that sort of thing really gets on my nerves.Recent example...I can't ever remember being late for a class, it's just not me. The other day I was at my desk when the bell rang and presumably because I wasn't getting up the nano second I heard the bell, my CT said "You've got a class now??". If I had shown a pattern of lateness then yeah give me a nudge but holy sh*t. But when my CT and all the other teachers in my office are still chatting and doing nothing and then meander slowly to their classes five to ten minutes late, that's fine.
Quote from: alexisalex on December 06, 2018, 05:19:01 pmQuote from: oglop on December 06, 2018, 01:37:13 pmis it really necessary to leave a note saying "when finish your class, please turn off computer!!" when once - in 10 months - this situation has happened? it wasn't even my fault - it must have done some system updates after i pressed "off" then restarted.Jesus that sort of thing really gets on my nerves.Recent example...I can't ever remember being late for a class, it's just not me. The other day I was at my desk when the bell rang and presumably because I wasn't getting up the nano second I heard the bell, my CT said "You've got a class now??". If I had shown a pattern of lateness then yeah give me a nudge but holy sh*t. But when my CT and all the other teachers in my office are still chatting and doing nothing and then meander slowly to their classes five to ten minutes late, that's fine.At my school, the HR teacher is more or less required to lead their classes to their specials. I make classes line up outside in order to calm everyone down, remind them to put out their books, nametag, pencilcase, etc, and then I greet them sort of individually as they enter the classroom. (This is something you will definitely benefit from if you don't do it already! It marks a space between whatever else in the world, and English class time.)If a class is not ready outside when the bell rings, I always point out--not directly looking at the HR teacher, but kind of, looking at my watch (well, where my watch would be since I don't wear one anymore, but they understand)--"Oh, you guys are late today! I am sure we can be better prepared for English class next time." So, there's no actual face being lost, but they pick it up pretty well.I also have my Co-T point out to HR teachers the math involved very early on in the year: Let's say a class meets three times a week. You're late by a mere three minutes each time. In one month, that's an entire English class your HR students have missed! (3X3X4.3=39 min)So, sorry, Alex--it sounds like you had to leave your desk to get to the classroom? Yeah, you were late. It doesn't matter if other people are later. You should be ready to teach when that bell rings! You have 40 minutes of English class, be prepared to use all 40 minutes, and insist on your 40 minutes--otherwise, what are you being paid for?It's not about being "strict"--it's being only as strict as you need to be. Different classes start in different places, so to speak. You have to take them from where they are to where you want them to be. Of course, you pick your battles (this is a hugely important concept) but being prepared and ready for class on time is a no-brainer, as it should be for you or I as teacher as well.
My favorite part of winter is how everyone decides it's a good idea to leave all the doors and windows wide open in the hallways. Yes, let ALL the cold air in
Why does everyone insist on backing in their car at COSTCO. Are they morons or what? They come back their car and can't get the cart to the back of their car to load all the stuff. So it takes them 10 extra minutes to carry everything slowly to the back. Meanwhile, there are no parking spaces. Do they even think or use logic or simply follow what everyone else is doing? Like backing in is some sort of rule. God damn it.
Quote from: JVPrice on December 07, 2018, 11:51:03 amMy favorite part of winter is how everyone decides it's a good idea to leave all the doors and windows wide open in the hallways. Yes, let ALL the cold air in"But it's to clean the air.""What's that? Couldn't hear you cause you're teeth are chattering."