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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9120 on: November 12, 2018, 02:18:07 pm »
it doesn't bother me as I simply employ logic to refute your arguments.

all the people on this forum who refer to their own use of "logic" make me cringe so hard. i don't know why that's become a trend, but to me it comes off as so masturbatory.

Yeah, just explain your point. We will get it.

The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9121 on: November 12, 2018, 02:29:06 pm »
it doesn't bother me as I simply employ logic to refute your arguments.

all the people on this forum who refer to their own use of "logic" make me cringe so hard. i don't know why that's become a trend, but to me it comes off as so masturbatory.

If you're going to say something like that, it would be helpful if you cited examples as to who you're referring to and when they employed said logic.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9122 on: November 12, 2018, 02:37:41 pm »
Korean culture, specifically the current interpretation of Confucianism, encourages cowardly behaviour.
I see no logical way that you can prove me wrong.
Is this the cowardice of North Koreans fighting in harsh conditions during the Korean War? Is it the student protests of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, when those people you rip on were getting teargassed and billyclubbed for democracy while you were just a speck in your parents' eye? Or maybe it was in Gwangju when they rebelled and took up arms?

The problem of out of control students and lawsuit culture exists around the world, particularly in developed areas. I don't see how it's a uniquely Korean problem.

For your statement of Korean culture being uniquely a factor here, we would have to prove that there were aspects that didn't exist in other parts of the world. However, as numerous examples of bad behavior that goes unconfronted exist around the world, as well as people unwilling to confront certain problems or brushing them under the carpet, I don't think you've met the standard of proof required for your claim.

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I see no logical way that you can prove me wrong.
Your lack of imagination or consideration of alternatives is not logical.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9123 on: November 12, 2018, 02:45:25 pm »
Korean culture, specifically the current interpretation of Confucianism, encourages cowardly behaviour.
I see no logical way that you can prove me wrong.
Is this the cowardice of North Koreans fighting in harsh conditions during the Korean War? Is it the student protests of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, when those people you rip on were getting teargassed and billyclubbed for democracy while you were just a speck in your parents' eye? Or maybe it was in Gwangju when they rebelled and took up arms?

The problem of out of control students and lawsuit culture exists around the world, particularly in developed areas. I don't see how it's a uniquely Korean problem.

For your statement of Korean culture being uniquely a factor here, we would have to prove that there were aspects that didn't exist in other parts of the world. However, as numerous examples of bad behavior that goes unconfronted exist around the world, as well as people unwilling to confront certain problems or brushing them under the carpet, I don't think you've met the standard of proof required for your claim.

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I see no logical way that you can prove me wrong.
Your lack of imagination or consideration of alternatives is not logical.

Can you post an example of bravery from this century?  Your most recent example was 30+ years ago, before many people working in schools were born. 


  • tylerthegloob
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9124 on: November 12, 2018, 02:47:36 pm »
it doesn't bother me as I simply employ logic to refute your arguments.

all the people on this forum who refer to their own use of "logic" make me cringe so hard. i don't know why that's become a trend, but to me it comes off as so masturbatory.

If you're going to say something like that, it would be helpful if you cited examples as to who you're referring to and when they employed said logic.

From now on, I'll be sure to point them out to you. Also, it's not the "employment of logic" itself that bothers me (that would be a really strange thing to be bothered about). What bothers me is the masturbatory "look at my sick logic" remark that usually comes at the end of an argument.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9125 on: November 12, 2018, 02:49:28 pm »
Posting on behalf of someone else

Wife just called me, in tears, to tell me about the final straw with her school. It's a big elementary school, with rather large classes and the behaviour has been rapidly getting out of control. Today, to boys were drawing penises on their desks and my wife and the CT told them to erase it, they refused. Another girl refused to stop playing on her phone, during class. I've never heard of elementary school students being this disrespectful. They swear at the CT, argue with them and refuse to listen.

All this as bad, but the final straw, the SCUM of the f*cking Earth is her CT. For the third time now, things have gotten really bad in class, students openly defying and laughing at my wife and CT, as things get more heated, what does the CT do? This f*cking coward leaves the class and runs away. No, she doesn't get help, she just runs away, leaving my wife alone to handle a bunch of very volatile students. My wife spotted the CT peeking around the corner of the corridor into the class. As said, this is the 3rd time the CT has simply run away with no concern for for anyone other than herself. When she does get back, she openly undermines my wife's authority, when my wife tries to discipline and reprimand them, by letting them off with not doing the writing out my wife gives them or simply taking their side.
What's the bloody other "side" of the argument when a student calls a teacher a bitch, in front of everyone, laughs and refuses to do anything they're told? What makes it worse, she's the head teacher too. Low and behold, one of the boys parents was actually called in, earlier this year, to discuss the problem with the VP. The mother flat out refused to accept that her child could be the only problem, and the meek little VP could do nothing but let her have her way.

My wife will be demanding a transfer to a new school for the start of the new school term. This type of non-confrontational, face saving cowardice is far too common in Korea to be called an isolated case. Though the degree varies, it's a cultural endemic. I don't care if I sound a bit racist, I've lived here long enough to earn an opinion, I'm more inclined to believe that the yellow Asian stereotype has its roots in the colour of the blood, not the skin.

Rant over
the kids in my after school program are like this, too. kids are bad, so i discipline them. kids complain to their parents that the teacher tells them off so it's not fun. parents quit the class. company manage blames me for being a "bad teacher"  :rolleyes: i absolutely ****** hate this job and it amazes me that parents are basically enabling their shitty kid's bad behaviour.

i feel sorry for & understand that native teacher's situation. basically just thrown under the bus


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9126 on: November 12, 2018, 02:52:13 pm »
Korean culture, specifically the current interpretation of Confucianism, encourages cowardly behaviour.
I see no logical way that you can prove me wrong.
Is this the cowardice of North Koreans fighting in harsh conditions during the Korean War? Is it the student protests of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, when those people you rip on were getting teargassed and billyclubbed for democracy while you were just a speck in your parents' eye? Or maybe it was in Gwangju when they rebelled and took up arms?

The problem of out of control students and lawsuit culture exists around the world, particularly in developed areas. I don't see how it's a uniquely Korean problem.

For your statement of Korean culture being uniquely a factor here, we would have to prove that there were aspects that didn't exist in other parts of the world. However, as numerous examples of bad behavior that goes unconfronted exist around the world, as well as people unwilling to confront certain problems or brushing them under the carpet, I don't think you've met the standard of proof required for your claim.

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I see no logical way that you can prove me wrong.
Your lack of imagination or consideration of alternatives is not logical.

Can you post an example of bravery from this century?  Your most recent example was 30+ years ago, before many people working in schools were born.

Steels' has previously championed the prowess of the Sewol Captain.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9127 on: November 12, 2018, 02:58:53 pm »
Can you post an example of bravery from this century?  Your most recent example was 30+ years ago, before many people working in schools were born.
Society has been relatively stable. Korea has a rather low rate of public violent crime and is not involved in any great wars. I suppose you could look at various skirmish actions along the NLL and minor news stories.

Steels' has previously championed the prowess of the Sewol Captain.
No I didn't. That is your hallucination. It's not my fault your brain is not developed enough to comprehend nuance.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9128 on: November 16, 2018, 01:24:10 pm »
Thoughts on other teachers in the office listening to music without headphones?

It makes me want to smash my head against my desk.  Or their desk.  Whichever  :laugh:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9129 on: November 16, 2018, 01:40:26 pm »
Thoughts on other teachers in the office listening to music without headphones?

It makes me want to smash my head against my desk.  Or their desk.  Whichever  :laugh:

I feel for you.  I have an @sshole neighbor that likes to turn it past 11 almost on a daily. 


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9130 on: November 16, 2018, 01:54:32 pm »
I hate rat kids.

 :shocked: Teacher, Dogeons hands are in his desk.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu isn't looking at the board. He's looking outside.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu is playing with his eraser.

Like, seriously? Put your hand down and STFU, Christ.
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The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9131 on: November 16, 2018, 02:00:46 pm »
I hate rat kids.

 :shocked: Teacher, Dogeons hands are in his desk.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu isn't looking at the board. He's looking outside.

 :laugh: Teacher, Minsu is playing with his eraser.

Like, seriously? Put your hand down and STFU, Christ.

Snitches get stitches!  :afro:
Soggy undergarments


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9132 on: November 16, 2018, 02:06:56 pm »
I hate rat kids.

 :shocked: Teacher, Dogeons hands are in his desk.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu isn't looking at the board. He's looking outside.

 :laugh: Teacher, Minsu is playing with his eraser.

Like, seriously? Put your hand down and STFU, Christ.

Snitches get stitches!  :afro:

I just want to shake him and tell him "You are 50x more distracting than any of that other shit!"
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


  • oglop
  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9133 on: November 16, 2018, 02:07:25 pm »
I hate rat kids.

 :shocked: Teacher, Dogeons hands are in his desk.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu isn't looking at the board. He's looking outside.

 :laugh: Teacher, Minsu is playing with his eraser.

Like, seriously? Put your hand down and STFU, Christ.
yeah but adults do this too

i've told things to co-workers (who i considered friends) in the past - in complete confidence - only to find they went behind my back and ratted on me. it was unbelievable. that's why i don't tell any co-workers absolutely anything anymore


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9134 on: November 16, 2018, 02:29:55 pm »
I hate rat kids.

 :shocked: Teacher, Dogeons hands are in his desk.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu isn't looking at the board. He's looking outside.

 :laugh: Teacher, Minsu is playing with his eraser.

Like, seriously? Put your hand down and STFU, Christ.
yeah but adults do this too

i've told things to co-workers (who i considered friends) in the past - in complete confidence - only to find they went behind my back and ratted on me. it was unbelievable. that's why i don't tell any co-workers absolutely anything anymore

Yeah. I don't tell any coworkers anything even remotely important or sensitive anymore. Even if they're ones I consider friends.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9135 on: November 16, 2018, 09:30:40 pm »
I hate rat kids.

 :shocked: Teacher, Dogeons hands are in his desk.

 :shocked: Teacher, Minsu isn't looking at the board. He's looking outside.

 :laugh: Teacher, Minsu is playing with his eraser.

Like, seriously? Put your hand down and STFU, Christ.

Snitches get stitches!  :afro:

I just want to shake him and tell him "You are 50x more distracting than any of that other shit!"

Why don't you? "Worry about yourself, not other people" is a great classroom rule.


  • sweetkat
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9136 on: November 19, 2018, 09:37:41 pm »
its been a while since i've been in Korea. i read these posts sometimes to remind me of what I left behind. I've been in China since 2015.  I thought i'd share whats going on in my classroom at the moment.
I work at a training institute. I have a 'learning' partner.  she is new.  She transferred from her first place of employment with my company because she 'didn't like the bathroom'.  Now, i know in China sometimes excuses are made up so i took that with a grain of salt and gave her the benefit of the doubt.  But her behaviour this past week is quite bizarre.
When she arrived, we had a discussion that we would always be direct with each other. I've had many of my classes for over two years so I know my students pretty well as well as the parents whom we talk with after every class.Ive told her not to do certain things in the class....yes I know about the saving face thing in China but she said she wanted me to be direct. Last week i was grumpy and came in to see she arrived early...to cut stickers.  I had mentioned several times not to cut stickers, kids lose the stickers and then the parents will say the kids didn't get the stickers.  i always gave a reason if i told her not to do something..and then she continues to do it.  So i was a little gruff but she seemed okay. Then otu of the blue she yelled at me what did you say? and since last tuesday has refused to do her job.  Started with having someone do her work for her..then she conveniently got a cold and can't speak.  Chinese always drink hot water...and lots of it. She's stopped doing it altogether even though she's 'lost her voice.'  In class, she has no qualms about going to her boss to come in and do her work for her.   And yet when someone does the work for her, she still attempts to make the conversation about her.  I tried to apologize for my one sentence mistake. But sh ewon't have it.  She is now writing with her fingers on her hands chinese words.  After telling her boss this woman has no interest in 'getting better' and that i haven't seen her drink any water, she comes in with a cold cup of water and pretends to drink it. Her behaviour is more bizarre than anything i've ever seen in my life.  I also think it pisses her off that i'm going on with my classes like nothing is wrong.  What is worse for her and she doesn't know...is ive had several colds, sore throats, over the last three years and never once have i passed off my work to someone else.  She just keeps making herself look worse to everyone else.  I've let go the initial anger of her behaviour for a mistake i made...all of this now is all on her and i just snicker all the time because i've never seen a bigger baby in my life except for my exhusband.  I am beginning to wonder if this behaviour is on purpose to get herself fired. If she gets fired, they have to pay her out.  If she quits she gets nothing.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9137 on: November 20, 2018, 07:49:06 am »
Yeah, she sounds like a nutter.
Kpip! - Martin 2018


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9138 on: November 20, 2018, 07:56:54 am »
I am beginning to wonder if this behaviour is on purpose to get herself fired. If she gets fired, they have to pay her out.  If she quits she gets nothing.
Employees like that give the rest of us a bad name.  >:(

How many months do they have to payout if they fire her?
Depending on how long the lady plans to hold out, it might just be better to bite the bullet, accept the loss, and fire her.  :undecided:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #9139 on: November 22, 2018, 02:10:36 pm »
Uuuuugggggggghhhhhh hhh.

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUGGGGHHHHNNNNNA LSDKFJALSDGJLLLL'ASDFLIJASDGH

So I'm doing special themed classes with my first graders because this is the free semester where they get to do a lot of fun activities and stuff.

We're on our last one, and it's arguably the most popular one, which is why we saved it for the end of the semester. Let's go out with a big bang, right? But because it's near the end of the semester, and because with fun activities come projects that students have to complete in order to showcase what they did or learned, we have a limited amount of time we can spend on this or that. Makes it super tight, but possible as long as the students are cooperative and stay on task.

When they don't cooperate, we fall behind, and that results in the need to cut certain things out.

I just finished arguing with a teacher who feels that we should cut the English portion of the lesson out and focus entirely on the fun part, because she wants them to experience all of it. I refused. Instead, I insist that we sacrifice the fun parts so that students can learn that dragging their feet in order to get out of doing any work is not going to pay out in my class. I don't want to reward laziness.

So then she goes on to tell me that all of the students were diligent. That no one was copying each others' work, that every student was writing all of their sentences, that the class behavior was on the level, and that the reason why we never get to finish all of the activities is because the drilling exercises are too long.

The drilling part is literally only three minutes. But the amount of time that was wasted due to student laziness averages to about fifteen minutes. I have consistently caught students copying each other, or trying to get away with not writing anything at all. I have had to hover near or over them, scribble or erase their sentences so that they can write their own, move them to different seats so that they can't just copy their neighbors, only to have her tell me that I've hallucinated all of it because I'm only "misunderstanding" the students. I've had to tell her multiple times that just because a student says that he isn't copying his neighbor doesn't mean he's not doing it. I ****** watched him do it, several times. Oh, his answers were different when you checked? That's because I ****** made him change those sentences. I just ****** told you that. Several times. You watched me do it.

She knows none of what she says is true, but for some reason she thought she could gaslight me and convince me of otherwise just so that she can spoil the **** out of these kids. And I'm just sat here, angrily guzzling my tea, and ****** livid about the whole thing. It's one thing to express disagreement. It's another when you try to tell someone they're only imagining things in order to win an argument.

I mean, I can understand her feelings. This is a great lesson, with a great experience for the kids, and she doesn't want the good students to miss out on any of it just because of the behavior of a handful of other students in the class.

But that's ****** life. I'd be willing to compromise, but not at the cost of discipline. I don't understand why any teacher would allow students to walk all over them when all that does is make it harder to deal with them later. Just.  >:(
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