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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8980 on: October 30, 2018, 04:52:44 pm »
But it's impossible not to get disheartened when you see that you're doing this thing, and even though you're getting paid for it, it's really just kind of... not contributing anything. To anyone.
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Don't feel bad

Your typical Korean office worker will be spending 80% of their time:

- Writing up reports that get filled away and are never looked at again.
- Making and beautifying overblown, hour long presentations for the the boss whenever he/she
  asks an arbitrary questions.
- Going to hweshiks
- Attempting to look as busy as possible
- Warming chairs while sitting in pointless meetings

It's no secret that South Korea, while one of the most overworked, has one of the lowest levels of productivity in the OECD.
http://annals.yonsei.ac.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=1687

There will be at least one, or a group of kids, in your class who learn something new from each of your lessons, whether you're teaching passively or actively. As long as you're doing your best with what you have, you've no reason to feel disheartened or ashamed.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8981 on: October 30, 2018, 07:20:33 pm »


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8982 on: October 31, 2018, 08:14:52 am »
Itaewon was indeed a sh*t show on Saturday.

I too have turned into the teacher I swore I would never be. Thankfully my days are short, and it's almost time to go home but teaching in Korea has convinced me that I never want to teach again.

People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.
-A.A. Milne


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8983 on: October 31, 2018, 08:21:34 am »

I too have turned into the teacher I swore I would never be. Thankfully my days are short, and it's almost time to go home but teaching in Korea has convinced me that I never want to teach again.
I am done, too. I feel the same way. Well, teaching kids. Do you ever look back and think, "how did I do this for so long?"
because I do


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8984 on: October 31, 2018, 08:50:00 am »

I too have turned into the teacher I swore I would never be. Thankfully my days are short, and it's almost time to go home but teaching in Korea has convinced me that I never want to teach again.
I am done, too. I feel the same way. Well, teaching kids. Do you ever look back and think, "how did I do this for so long?"
because I do

I've gotten to the point as well where I tell myself and others "I would stay in Korea if I didn't have to teach." There are some annoying things about living here, but it's harder to turn a blind eye when you're in school.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8985 on: October 31, 2018, 09:02:39 am »
well, i enjoy teaching adults and will continue to do so. teaching kids though... never again


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8986 on: October 31, 2018, 09:49:40 am »

I too have turned into the teacher I swore I would never be. Thankfully my days are short, and it's almost time to go home but teaching in Korea has convinced me that I never want to teach again.
I am done, too. I feel the same way. Well, teaching kids. Do you ever look back and think, "how did I do this for so long?"
because I do

Every single day!!!!
People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.
-A.A. Milne


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8987 on: October 31, 2018, 11:13:17 am »
Titus Groan:
So spare me the 'Hallowe'en is only a children's thing' bullshit... Perhaps you've never been to a real adult Hallowe'en party...? If  that's the case, maybe you should give it a go. If you have been to one, and it wasn't great, maybe you just went to/go to lame parties...!

That' right, man.  Adult parties that REQUIRE guests to dress in a costume aren't lame!  It's all subjective.  As an adult I have no interest in wearing a costume and find the people that really get into it annoying.  That's just how I feel.  If I get invited to an event that insists that I wear a costume because same lameo thinks it's "Fun and wacky!" you can be assured I can't be bothered.  All the power to you if you're into that. 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8988 on: October 31, 2018, 11:57:31 am »
If I meet someone for the first time and the first thing they talk about is either Tinder or Cat Cafe/SJW type BS, I immediately file this person under the category of "Disregard".

"Hey, nice to meet you"
"OMG you won't believe the white privilege/mansplaining I just encountered"

*flash to inside of my head*- immediate thoughts of alcohol and classic Simpsons episodes


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8989 on: October 31, 2018, 12:13:38 pm »
Following my post about consulting in the "Friday Ramblings" thread, the ones who did my consulting told me several interesting bits of info. One of which was that putting one's hands in their pockets is considered a sign of disinterest or disrespect (I've only been doing this since I've been wearing a hoodie these past two weeks). I appreciate the advice to not do that, but at the same time my CTs have been aware of this and several other things that they talked about for WEEKS now, and at no point do they think it's a good idea to tell me?

"Oh, but JVPrice, what about...?"

No. My CTs were nodding in silent agreement as I was given this information. I wouldn't even be angry with a lot of these criticisms if they weren't things my CTs could've told me. :huh:
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8990 on: October 31, 2018, 01:10:37 pm »
If I meet someone for the first time and the first thing they talk about is either Tinder or Cat Cafe/SJW type BS, I immediately file this person under the category of "Disregard".

"Hey, nice to meet you"
"OMG you won't believe the white privilege/mansplaining I just encountered"

*flash to inside of my head*- immediate thoughts of alcohol and classic Simpsons episodes


I.... what?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8991 on: October 31, 2018, 01:16:31 pm »
No. My CTs were nodding in silent agreement as I given this information. I wouldn't even be angry with a lot of these criticisms if they weren't things my CTs could've told me. :huh:

A lot of people have a hard time being direct with their coworkers about stuff like this, so they'll wait for someone with authority to say something, or just agree with the collective should the subject come up.

I will say, though, that sometimes people will just agree with the collective because of conformity and not because they actually agree with it.

With that being said, apparently crossing your legs while sitting with others (one leg over the other, not when you're on the floor) is considered rude, too. I only learned about that this year because no one ever said anything to me about it. I just happened to be around when a CT scolded a student for crossing her legs, and I was all like, "What, that's not allowed?"


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8992 on: October 31, 2018, 01:27:00 pm »
No. My CTs were nodding in silent agreement as I given this information. I wouldn't even be angry with a lot of these criticisms if they weren't things my CTs could've told me. :huh:

A lot of people have a hard time being direct with their coworkers about stuff like this, so they'll wait for someone with authority to say something, or just agree with the collective should the subject come up.

I will say, though, that sometimes people will just agree with the collective because of conformity and not because they actually agree with it.

With that being said, apparently crossing your legs while sitting with others (one leg over the other, not when you're on the floor) is considered rude, too. I only learned about that this year because no one ever said anything to me about it. I just happened to be around when a CT scolded a student for crossing her legs, and I was all like, "What, that's not allowed?"

Yeah. But for reals, a lot of these little faux pas are only a problem if someone decides to make them a problem.

Example: I once had a deeply unpleasant manager (who I mentioned in the other thread about waygook.org user JVPrice's consulting experience) who REALLY wanted to get me fired / not renewed.

So, during a big 'consulting'ish meeting, the following complaints were brought up:
- that I didn't go into neighbouring classrooms to chat with teachers [who I didn't know] in between classes
- that I worn jeans
- that I put my hands in my pockets
- that I didn't smile enough outside of class
- that I brought a water bottle to class
- that I didn't greet the VP every morning in her office
- that I didn't speak Korean well enough

And all of these things are things I had been doing / have continued to do before and since then. And they're literally not things that should be made an issue of. Nobody - sincerely nobody- has ever complained about or mentioned any of those things to me, ever. Except for that one person, who wanted to cause a stink.

Contrary to what some people on this website might have people believe, the vast majority of Koreans are not  hyper-dogmatic 'this is wrong / this is right' people who nitpick every little thing. BUT! Those kind of people do exist. And they can make your working life absolutely miserable.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8993 on: October 31, 2018, 01:32:02 pm »
I'm not one to b*tch much.  It usually take A LOT to annoy me, but.....  Why is it that the traveling Violin Teacher HAS to use my classroom when the auditorium is empty?  The kids literally drag their music stands into my room from the storage closet in the auditorium.  The EMPTY auditorium.  Did I mention that it's EMPTY?! She's also the type when she talks, she yells.  She also constantly clears her throat.  And it's not what you think... it's the ajishi style hack 'cuuuuuuuuuuk!

**sigh** 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8994 on: October 31, 2018, 01:32:49 pm »
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Contrary to what some people on this website might have people believe, the vast majority of Koreans are not  hyper-dogmatic 'this is wrong / this is right' people who nitpick every little thing. BUT! Those kind of people do exist. And they can make your working life absolutely miserable.

I think that is more "Some people will nitpick every little thing if they don't like you, and if they are the highest ranked person in the room everybody else will nod in agreement".

This gives the illusion of a strict code of conduct the everybody is cool with, but it is really just lack of willingness to go against a senior.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8995 on: October 31, 2018, 01:38:56 pm »
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Contrary to what some people on this website might have people believe, the vast majority of Koreans are not  hyper-dogmatic 'this is wrong / this is right' people who nitpick every little thing. BUT! Those kind of people do exist. And they can make your working life absolutely miserable.

I think that is more "Some people will nitpick every little thing if they don't like you, and if they are the highest ranked person in the room everybody else will nod in agreement".

This gives the illusion of a strict code of conduct the everybody is cool with, but it is really just lack of willingness to go against a senior.

Absolutely.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8996 on: October 31, 2018, 01:45:26 pm »
...
Contrary to what some people on this website might have people believe, the vast majority of Koreans are not  hyper-dogmatic 'this is wrong / this is right' people who nitpick every little thing. BUT! Those kind of people do exist. And they can make your working life absolutely miserable.

I think that is more "Some people will nitpick every little thing if they don't like you, and if they are the highest ranked person in the room everybody else will nod in agreement".

This gives the illusion of a strict code of conduct the everybody is cool with, but it is really just lack of willingness to go against a senior.

You beat me to it.

Honestly, though you shouldn't be walking around with your hands in your pockets, when at work, I doubt anyone truly gives a crap.
It's basically someone with a modicum of authority taking another opportunity to remind everyone who is in charge, lest they forget.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8997 on: October 31, 2018, 02:05:25 pm »
Saw a lady with a baby strapped to her chest get in the front seat of her car and drive off with the baby still strapped to her chest between her and the steering wheel. I wanted to say something along the lines of, if you crash you will crush your baby or the air bag will crush your baby. A few years ago I would have said something but these days I just think meh, what's the point?  :blank:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8998 on: October 31, 2018, 02:18:38 pm »
Saw a lady with a baby strapped to her chest get in the front seat of her car and drive off with the baby still strapped to her chest between her and the steering wheel. I wanted to say something along the lines of, if you crash you will crush your baby or the air bag will crush your baby. A few years ago I would have said something but these days I just think meh, what's the point?  :blank:

At least the baby was strapped to something, I guess. I've seen a few instances of mothers driving along with their babies just sitting in their laps.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8999 on: October 31, 2018, 02:36:11 pm »
Saw a lady with a baby strapped to her chest get in the front seat of her car and drive off with the baby still strapped to her chest between her and the steering wheel. I wanted to say something along the lines of, if you crash you will crush your baby or the air bag will crush your baby. A few years ago I would have said something but these days I just think meh, what's the point?  :blank:

At least the baby was strapped to something, I guess. I've consistently seen a few instances,mothers driving along with their babies just sitting in their laps.

I see this kind of stuff all the time.The IF can become a reality at the drop of a hat. I am waiting for the police crackdown. I may be waiting forever...