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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8860 on: October 02, 2018, 08:47:55 am »
When I was a teen I had a close friend and we were young insecure guys who would mock each other in front of others in the hopes of making ourselves look better in the process.  Fairly typical behaviour.  As we grew older and people changed he maintained the same insecurities.  It made it more and more difficult to hang out with him as we got into our twenties and eventually he just became someone I avoided.  Great guy on his own, but his low self esteem pretty much destroyed the friendship.  He was the type of person that if I were to meet up with him today he would be great company one on one.  The minute others showed I know he'd find a way to bring up my grey hair or something else that he thought would elevate him by comparison.

I'm afraid I'm quite a bit more judgmental and wary of people who have that kind of attitude. There's a lot going on behind wanting to break another person down just to build yourself up, and while insecurity serves as a foundation for all of that bullshit, there's a lot built on top of that foundation that makes it a lot more complicated, especially once they enter adulthood. You can see this behind why some people "grow out of it" vs. people who just don't. Basically, him bringing up your grey hair wouldn't be the only thing you'd have to worry about if you continued to have this guy in your life to any significant degree. He wouldn't be someone I could trust. Like, at all.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8861 on: October 02, 2018, 08:54:38 am »
When I was a teen I had a close friend and we were young insecure guys who would mock each other in front of others in the hopes of making ourselves look better in the process.  Fairly typical behaviour.  As we grew older and people changed he maintained the same insecurities.  It made it more and more difficult to hang out with him as we got into our twenties and eventually he just became someone I avoided.  Great guy on his own, but his low self esteem pretty much destroyed the friendship.  He was the type of person that if I were to meet up with him today he would be great company one on one.  The minute others showed I know he'd find a way to bring up my grey hair or something else that he thought would elevate him by comparison. 


Chinguetti: I think you're talking about envy more than jealousy; just to split hairs.

Isn't that the exact kind of thing you just said you avoided your friend for doing?  :laugh:
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8862 on: October 02, 2018, 09:32:29 am »
No.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8863 on: October 02, 2018, 09:34:25 am »
Wife told me about an incident yesterday with a problem class of hers. A few students were basically trying revolt by completely ignoring any instruction my wife or the CT would give them. A few of the students were basically looking for rules to break. Things started getting out of hand and one of the girls was getting physical, breaking school property etc. (My wife claims that this girl is a massive bully, 6th grader at 175cm and solidly built and has a history of hitting other students...hard)
the CT said she was going to get the HR teacher and ran out the class.

What happens next?
Class gets more and more out of control and my wife is struggling to deal with it. CT ends up staying out the class for the remainder of the period (30min). After class, where does my wife find her? Hiding in the library... HR teacher wasn't notified either.
Students were potentially going to get violent and someone might've gotten hurt, and a teacher with nearly 20yrs experience decides to run away, leaving a co-worker who doesn't speak Korean to deal with a potentially dangerous situation.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8864 on: October 02, 2018, 09:38:53 am »
I don't think modern day SNS really helps.  You check Instagram or Facebook and the photos are of grinning wonderfulness of your 'friends' or those you follow.

That's a big problem. You have 100 friends, and let's say 14 or 15 of them post something pretty cool on any given day, which is completely within the realm of reasonable. Now you are seeing a weekly roation of amazing things from all your different friends. Meanwhile, you're only having a couple of pretty cool experiences every week. It's not representative of real life. You're not seeing Samantha cry by herself after her breakup, you're only seeing the amazing ice cream that she's scarfing down to make herself feel better. You're not seeing Greg blowing gauges at the airport because they lost his luggage, you're only seeing him at some temple in rural Thailand with a big grin on his face.

All those cool pics on instagram represent a fraction of life, but due to the revolving door that is our follow list, we imagine that EVERYONE is having the best time without us.

I haven given up FB, Insta and Reddit for this month. I want to see what happens, because I can honestly say that these apps have become a bloody thorn in my side. It's not envy, like discussed above, it's just a constant use and checking up on things and it's a massive waste of time. I really am curious to see how I feel in November.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8865 on: October 02, 2018, 09:43:32 am »
Wife told me about an incident yesterday with a problem class of hers. A few students were basically trying revolt by completely ignoring any instruction my wife or the CT would give them. A few of the students were basically looking for rules to break. Things started getting out of hand and one of the girls was getting physical, breaking school property etc. (My wife claims that this girl is a massive bully, 6th grader at 175cm and solidly built and has a history of hitting other students...hard)
the CT said she was going to get the HR teacher and ran out the class.

What happens next?
Class gets more and more out of control and my wife is struggling to deal with it. CT ends up staying out the class for the remainder of the period (30min). After class, where does my wife find her? Hiding in the library... HR teacher wasn't notified either.
Students were potentially going to get violent and someone might've gotten hurt, and a teacher with nearly 20yrs experience decides to run away, leaving a co-worker who doesn't speak Korean to deal with a potentially dangerous situation.

What a POS. Your wife should go to the HRT and tell her exactly what happened.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8866 on: October 02, 2018, 09:50:38 am »
Wife told me about an incident yesterday with a problem class of hers. A few students were basically trying revolt by completely ignoring any instruction my wife or the CT would give them. A few of the students were basically looking for rules to break. Things started getting out of hand and one of the girls was getting physical, breaking school property etc. (My wife claims that this girl is a massive bully, 6th grader at 175cm and solidly built and has a history of hitting other students...hard)
the CT said she was going to get the HR teacher and ran out the class.

What happens next?
Class gets more and more out of control and my wife is struggling to deal with it. CT ends up staying out the class for the remainder of the period (30min). After class, where does my wife find her? Hiding in the library... HR teacher wasn't notified either.
Students were potentially going to get violent and someone might've gotten hurt, and a teacher with nearly 20yrs experience decides to run away, leaving a co-worker who doesn't speak Korean to deal with a potentially dangerous situation.

That's so shitty.

Did your wife do or say anything about it? What the hell.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8867 on: October 02, 2018, 10:06:40 am »
CO2: I haven given up FB, Insta and Reddit for this month. I want to see what happens, because I can honestly say that these apps have become a bloody thorn in my side. It's not envy, like discussed above, it's just a constant use and checking up on things and it's a massive waste of time. I really am curious to see how I feel in November.

Don't use Instagram or look at Reddit, but last year just after New Year's I deactivated Facebook and didn't use it again until summer vacation.  It was actually fun again to scroll through and catch up with people's lives.  After some vacation photos and messaging with people I'm back off it.  I'll go on again at Christmas then back to deactivation. 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8868 on: October 02, 2018, 10:08:33 am »
Wife told me about an incident yesterday with a problem class of hers. A few students were basically trying revolt by completely ignoring any instruction my wife or the CT would give them. A few of the students were basically looking for rules to break. Things started getting out of hand and one of the girls was getting physical, breaking school property etc. (My wife claims that this girl is a massive bully, 6th grader at 175cm and solidly built and has a history of hitting other students...hard)
the CT said she was going to get the HR teacher and ran out the class.

What happens next?
Class gets more and more out of control and my wife is struggling to deal with it. CT ends up staying out the class for the remainder of the period (30min). After class, where does my wife find her? Hiding in the library... HR teacher wasn't notified either.
Students were potentially going to get violent and someone might've gotten hurt, and a teacher with nearly 20yrs experience decides to run away, leaving a co-worker who doesn't speak Korean to deal with a potentially dangerous situation.

That's so shitty.

Did your wife do or say anything about it? What the hell.

Stories like this make me long for the days of the "discipline officer" with the nightstick. Harsh? Maybe, but sometimes you need to lay down the law.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8869 on: October 02, 2018, 10:27:57 am »
I would think better.  Not in a life changing way, just it can suck your life away with the constant checking, and when you remove it, your focus comes back for more important, fulfilling things.  Like drinking everyday on holiday, it's nice, but it kind of takes away your normal self and can becomes a habit, then you stop drinking for a bit and you find yourself doing more useful things and feeling better on holiday.  Bad analogy, maybe. 

Doing that for October, too. haha


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8870 on: October 04, 2018, 09:09:04 am »
Speaking test time.  Some students are inevitably absent during the class so they'll come to the office later on at random times to take the test.  So they wander in, I'll stop what I'm doing and ask them to write their name down, student number and we'll start the test.

Me: Question 1
Student: "No"

Me: Question 2
Student:  "No"

and so on.

Why go to all the trouble of coming to see me just to sit there and reply "No" to every question?  Jesus, it bugs me.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8871 on: October 04, 2018, 09:11:52 am »
Speaking test time.  Some students are inevitably absent during the class so they'll come to the office later on at random times to take the test.  So they wander in, I'll stop what I'm doing and ask them to write their name down, student number and we'll start the test.

Me: Question 1
Student: "No"

Me: Question 2
Student:  "No"

and so on.

Why go to all the trouble of coming to see me just to sit there and reply "No" to every question?  Jesus, it bugs me.
is it because they'll still get 7/10 for doing absolutely nothing? used to happen at my old school


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8872 on: October 04, 2018, 09:17:18 am »
Speaking test time.  Some students are inevitably absent during the class so they'll come to the office later on at random times to take the test.  So they wander in, I'll stop what I'm doing and ask them to write their name down, student number and we'll start the test.

Me: Question 1
Student: "No"

Me: Question 2
Student:  "No"

and so on.

Why go to all the trouble of coming to see me just to sit there and reply "No" to every question?  Jesus, it bugs me.
is it because they'll still get 7/10 for doing absolutely nothing? used to happen at my old school

In my first school/s it was like that when I done it.
At my current schools, I'm the one that gives them their grade, and my co-teacher won't change my grading; or if she does, she hasn't told me :p


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8873 on: October 04, 2018, 09:19:18 am »
Speaking test time.  Some students are inevitably absent during the class so they'll come to the office later on at random times to take the test.  So they wander in, I'll stop what I'm doing and ask them to write their name down, student number and we'll start the test.

Me: Question 1
Student: "No"

Me: Question 2
Student:  "No"

and so on.

Why go to all the trouble of coming to see me just to sit there and reply "No" to every question?  Jesus, it bugs me.
is it because they'll still get 7/10 for doing absolutely nothing? used to happen at my old school

In my first school/s it was like that when I done it.
At my current schools, I'm the one that gives them their grade, and my co-teacher won't change my grading; or if she does, she hasn't told me :p

God I still remember one year, my coteacher was worried about the students' scores being too low so she changed the grading system to move in increments of five (100,95,90,85,80) instead of ten (100,90,80,70,60).  So even if a student said nothing they would still score 80  :huh:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8874 on: October 04, 2018, 09:40:27 am »
Speaking test time.  Some students are inevitably absent during the class so they'll come to the office later on at random times to take the test.  So they wander in, I'll stop what I'm doing and ask them to write their name down, student number and we'll start the test.

Me: Question 1
Student: "No"

Me: Question 2
Student:  "No"

and so on.

Why go to all the trouble of coming to see me just to sit there and reply "No" to every question?  Jesus, it bugs me.
is it because they'll still get 7/10 for doing absolutely nothing? used to happen at my old school

In my first school/s it was like that when I done it.
At my current schools, I'm the one that gives them their grade, and my co-teacher won't change my grading; or if she does, she hasn't told me :p

God I still remember one year, my coteacher was worried about the students' scores being too low so she changed the grading system to move in increments of five (100,95,90,85,80) instead of ten (100,90,80,70,60).  So even if a student said nothing they would still score 80  :huh:

That irks me so much. Especially when some teachers wonder why we can't motivate these kids.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8875 on: October 04, 2018, 10:47:46 am »
Speaking tests are the worst.

The frustration and boredom I go through kills me a little every semester.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8876 on: October 04, 2018, 11:41:42 am »
Speaking tests are the worst.

The frustration and boredom I go through kills me a little every semester.

There aren't  many things that really drive the disappointment home for me like speaking tests do.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8877 on: October 04, 2018, 11:42:09 am »
     This was the only real point of contention between myself and my old school: the fact that students couldn't fail the speaking exams no matter how hard they tried (and some of them tried so hard that I almost wanted to bump their scores for the effort they put into failing (or rather, not failing...)). After a year of my complaints, the head teacher and I finally had a good sit down and came to a compromise: I couldn't give students a big shiny 0%, but I could go as low as a 40 rather than the 60 that was the minimum previously.

    Now, a few years later and a few years wiser (it works like that, right? Wisdom increases linearly with age?) I'm more aware of why the school fought so hard against my constant whinging suggestions:

A) in middle school, a 60% *is* considered a fail. Grade inflation has basically turned any grade other than a high B or an A into crap. Getting into a good highschool with Cs on your report is gonna be pretty tough: basically, you need to be a president's kid...

B)Giving poor grades reflects poorly on teachers and the school, which can jeopardize a teacher's career advancement track, as well as funding for the school. Good grades obviously means good students, right?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8878 on: October 04, 2018, 12:13:05 pm »
So I recently just found out that one of the lowest level and biggest problem students in my school is actually from a fairly affluent and wealthy family.

He's still in middle school but he's supposed to be in high school (that's right, it IS possible to get held back a grade in Korea, but you've really got to make the effort, and this boy has apparently excelled).

His scores are literally at the bottom for every class, and he honestly and truly is as ignorant as he behaves, despite his family's background. He's actually very uneducated, almost as if he'd been kept locked up in a basement somewhere, but he's not stupid, and he doesn't have a learning disability of any kind. He doesn't have any of those disadvantages. He just refuses to learn anything, like, at all.

He honestly and truly doesn't fit the profile that most students with his kind of behavioral and academic problems have. I'd like to know what his story is.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8879 on: October 04, 2018, 12:36:50 pm »
So I recently just found out that one of the lowest level and biggest problem students in my school is actually from a fairly affluent and wealthy family.

He's still in middle school but he's supposed to be in high school (that's right, it IS possible to get held back a grade in Korea, but you've really got to make the effort, and this boy has apparently excelled).

His scores are literally at the bottom for every class, and he honestly and truly is as ignorant as he behaves, despite his family's background. He's actually very uneducated, almost as if he'd been kept locked up in a basement somewhere, but he's not stupid, and he doesn't have a learning disability of any kind. He doesn't have any of those disadvantages. He just refuses to learn anything, like, at all.

He honestly and truly doesn't fit the profile that most students with his kind of behavioral and academic problems have. I'd like to know what his story is.

Going by what you said, I'm guessing he's employing a defense mechanism.

He's able to save more face by refusing to do work than to admit or demonstrate that he's unable to do it.
He might very well have a mental problem or, his self-esteem might be in the mariana trench, thus making him believe that he's incapable of doing anything, so it's easier to refuse than to admit incompetence.