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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8860 on: September 29, 2018, 12:09:18 pm »
as for the textbooks, they are always simply much too difficult for the students. much too difficult. companies want to speed through the books, so parents have to spend more money, and the levels increase much too quickly. i have some classes where students can't even read the word "pencil" but are expected to read and comprehend long, flowing articles with advanced grammar and difficult words such as "discrimination" or "exceptionally". it's pointless.

The funny thing is, when people make very reasonable points like this to accusations of "you're not a good enough teacher", I very rarely see a rebuttal. 

Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8861 on: September 29, 2018, 05:36:23 pm »
as for the textbooks, they are always simply much too difficult for the students. much too difficult. companies want to speed through the books, so parents have to spend more money, and the levels increase much too quickly. i have some classes where students can't even read the word "pencil" but are expected to read and comprehend long, flowing articles with advanced grammar and difficult words such as "discrimination" or "exceptionally". it's pointless.

The funny thing is, when people make very reasonable points like this to accusations of "you're not a good enough teacher", I very rarely see a rebuttal. 

Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.
I don't concede that asking "Have you taught anywhere else?" is similar to "you're not a good enough teacher."  Nor did oglop (who has always struck me as reasonable) write previously about the books being "much too difficult" (at least that I read).

In fact, the OP (TheEnergizer) described the books as being  "4 pages of fluff that you could teach in less than 20 minutes", which is the situation I was responding to.

Truthfully, my experience with textbooks here (both classroom and AS) is that they fit TE's description more than oglop's.  However, if the AS students are the very weakest ones, then I can see that even "fluff" books could be too difficult. 

But it doesn't change my strategy too much, as I still see the textbook being the framework on which a teacher hangs their classroom implementation. In this case, I would focus first on phonics, and not do the kind of supplementary vocab and cases I usually do with "better" students, and practice the key structures.  But it's still a mix of rote, challenge and "fun" activities.

I taught in HS here for four years, and the textbooks did consist of 'long, flowing articles with advanced grammar and difficult words such as "discrimination" or "exceptionally"' but all the elementary books I'm familiar with (the newly released 5-6 grade books are my third iteration) have limited vocab and relatively simple grammar.  I would be interested to see these AS texts ...

Incidentally, it seems oglop has already found his own solution to the problems he encountered.

Finally, some waygug-in snarked: "Fleshing it out usually means giving a word search using vocabulary from the lesson, perhaps a crossword and some ill-conceived notion of a game." I can only assume he's referring to his own approach; I don't think it fairly describes mine.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8862 on: September 29, 2018, 08:52:40 pm »
Yes, this is the first time I've experienced this amount of disarray in an AS program. Usually they aren't this bad. The school I'm placed in AND the company are both just completely toxic. The textbooks I have are fom JLS, by the way. Pretty awful and full of basic errors. I can only imagine AS programs getting worse in the future, probably due to lack of grade 1 and 2 students (the biggest income earners). The company I'm with  won't even provide me with paper or board markers anymore. Imagine that.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8863 on: September 29, 2018, 09:31:12 pm »
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Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.

I advised him to take the job at the BC. As far as I'm aware they're one of the few places that allow YL teachers to teach communicatively and offer support if the parents complain.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8864 on: September 29, 2018, 11:09:02 pm »
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Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.

I advised him to take the job at the BC. As far as I'm aware they're one of the few places that allow YL teachers to teach communicatively and offer support if the parents complain.
yeah. i got offered a BC young learners position but ultimately decided i didn't want to teach kids anymore and turned it down, and was later offered a BC adult centre position, which i turned down for a few different reasons. however, i imagine both jobs would be really good and rewarding (as you said!). i'll probably apply again to the adult BC centre again (and actually take the job if they offer it to me) later on down the line, but yeah, as i said, there were a few reasons why i decided not to take it :)


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8865 on: October 01, 2018, 08:41:57 am »
This morning, my neighbour decides to start vacuuming, at 5AM. Driving to work, I get held up in a gridlock as nobodies patient enough to leave a gap and take turns at the entrance/exit of a supermarket and the intersection into the main road, everyone's trying to force their way in at the same time.
Opening the window to let in the morning breeze and for 40 minutes, I've had to endure the filling dislodging noise of the principal screaming into a microphone.

Land of the morning calm my ass.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8866 on: October 01, 2018, 08:52:58 am »
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Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.

I advised him to take the job at the BC. As far as I'm aware they're one of the few places that allow YL teachers to teach communicatively and offer support if the parents complain.
yeah. i got offered a BC young learners position but ultimately decided i didn't want to teach kids anymore and turned it down, and was later offered a BC adult centre position, which i turned down for a few different reasons. however, i imagine both jobs would be really good and rewarding (as you said!). i'll probably apply again to the adult BC centre again (and actually take the job if they offer it to me) later on down the line, but yeah, as i said, there were a few reasons why i decided not to take it :)

A downside I see for BC work is that they are open 6 days a week which means Saturday work is possible.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8867 on: October 01, 2018, 09:16:57 am »
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Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.

I advised him to take the job at the BC. As far as I'm aware they're one of the few places that allow YL teachers to teach communicatively and offer support if the parents complain.
yeah. i got offered a BC young learners position but ultimately decided i didn't want to teach kids anymore and turned it down, and was later offered a BC adult centre position, which i turned down for a few different reasons. however, i imagine both jobs would be really good and rewarding (as you said!). i'll probably apply again to the adult BC centre again (and actually take the job if they offer it to me) later on down the line, but yeah, as i said, there were a few reasons why i decided not to take it :)

A downside I see for BC work is that they are open 6 days a week which means Saturday work is possible.
yes, one of the reasons i didn't take it. another is the lateish finishing times (at the adult centre). i'd never see my wife!*

*this could be seen as a possible or a negative


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8868 on: October 01, 2018, 09:18:39 am »
For the first time in forever, the air is both clean and cool enough for me to open the windows and actually enjoy it. Pollution level is low, sky is blue, the age of manure has passed, humidity and temperature are actually representative of the autumn season, there's a light breeze...

"AAADFASDGAHGHJHLJFHGHGJ!!!!"
"이 바보야~!"
"개새끼!!!!1!!!"
"YAAAAAHHHHH!!!"
"씨발!!!!!!!"
"배고파 *garbled*!!!!!!!"
*unintelligible shouting, and more shouting to be heard over that shouting*
"Sheeeeeee-paaaahLLLLLL!!!!"


That's the festival spirit, you guys.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8869 on: October 01, 2018, 09:36:05 am »
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Maybe Mr. C or even eggieguffer ("Have you tried asking them concept checking questions?") can offer a response.

I advised him to take the job at the BC. As far as I'm aware they're one of the few places that allow YL teachers to teach communicatively and offer support if the parents complain.
yeah. i got offered a BC young learners position but ultimately decided i didn't want to teach kids anymore and turned it down, and was later offered a BC adult centre position, which i turned down for a few different reasons. however, i imagine both jobs would be really good and rewarding (as you said!). i'll probably apply again to the adult BC centre again (and actually take the job if they offer it to me) later on down the line, but yeah, as i said, there were a few reasons why i decided not to take it :)

A downside I see for BC work is that they are open 6 days a week which means Saturday work is possible.

Actually seven days a week, which means you either get a Friday Saturday or Sunday Monday weekend. For me this would be a downside as it limits the amount of IELTS you can do but I guess for younger people it'd negatively affect their social life. So, people tend to hang out with workmates on the same shift pattern. It's also tough if you have a partner who works a normal week. It is possible to work Sunday and Saturday (the heaviest days) and get a three day weekend if you prefer.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8870 on: October 01, 2018, 10:13:37 am »
Yeah, 6 hours of teaching on the weekends, right?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8871 on: October 01, 2018, 10:32:43 am »
Thing is with the BC, bar the potentially crap work hours, it has good professional development, and opens doors for moving to work in other BC locations around the world.  I applied to the BC in Libya in October 2010.  Had the interview and got offered the position.  Turned it down, and then a few months later all hell broke lose in Libya.   :huh:

Yeah this is the most attractive thing and I'd say is particularly important in Korea.

The professional development coupled with a Western style management structure actually makes it a dream job for me (couldn't care less about working weekends lol).

If only they had offices in Busan  :cry:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8872 on: October 01, 2018, 10:45:07 am »
Thing is with the BC, bar the potentially crap work hours, it has good professional development, and opens doors for moving to work in other BC locations around the world.  I applied to the BC in Libya in October 2010.  Had the interview and got offered the position.  Turned it down, and then a few months later all hell broke lose in Libya.   :huh:

That could have turned out OK. I've known this kind of thing happen to people in other BC destinations that have kicked off and they've been shipped out, given three months paid holiday and a job in another BC centre.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8873 on: October 01, 2018, 02:13:31 pm »
31st December Monday really fucks with winter vacation dates as Jan 1st Tuesday is a holiday. Coulda stole an extra 4 days if the 31st wasn't a working day.
Who is here in 2019?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8874 on: October 02, 2018, 07:41:44 am »
I understand how and why people can be jealous of other people's success, as in wishing for that same success for themselves.

What I don't understand is how some people can be unhappy with another person's success, almost if not actually to the point of resentment, as if that person was somehow wrong for being successful.

A small example is when someone commits to a workout regimen, and the results really begin to show. Why not admire that person's accomplishment and maybe even try to find the motivation to invest in a program yourself rather than hating that person for actually self-improving?

I really don't get the level of immaturity and pettiness in some people. Like, goddamn, if you're really so insecure that you need to constantly compare yourself to others and wish failure on them just so that you can feel better about yourself, you may as well start sucking at your own asshole for all the shit you need to justify being such a miserable person.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8875 on: October 02, 2018, 08:27:09 am »
I've never really worked out when people develop that kind of trait.  I suppose when we were at school, there were friends and other school kids who had things that we wish we had, or they did something that secretly we wish we'd done, like win a prize or get a good score.  Thing is, most people grow out of those things and then it's not really an issue any more.  They can happily go through college and university and you've matured and these things aren't important anymore.  But I suppose there are those people where everything is case of getting one over on others, no matter how that is.  They are constantly comparing to others and to them that is the most important thing.  It seems so tiring and such a pointless waste of time, because there are always going to be those who seem to be more 'successful' than you.  Whether it's partly genetic or bred into you from your parents is another way of looking at it. 

I don't think modern day SNS really helps.  You check Instagram or Facebook and the photos are of grinning wonderfulness of your 'friends' or those you follow.  I doubt you'd be jealous of your real friend's success.  It can't help those with those kind of issues of your hundreds of 'friends' that they constantly see others through this 'snapshot' of someone's life.  It shows you what they want you to see.  It always looks like someone is doing better/is more successful than you.  For those that didn't mature properly, this is going to tweek some nerves.
 Problem is that people bring this online problem into their real life day-to-day relationships.

This is very much a developmental issue. It begins young, either being caused by family/environment, or because the most influential people in that person's life ignored/enabled it and failed to address it before the trait got cemented as part of that person's personality.

It's just so incredibly self-destructive to achieve a sense of self-worth and validation off of the failure of others, and just plain evil to feel good about others feeling shit about themselves, especially when they've never done anything to you.

I will never understand that mindset.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8876 on: October 02, 2018, 08:28:23 am »
When I was a teen I had a close friend and we were young insecure guys who would mock each other in front of others in the hopes of making ourselves look better in the process.  Fairly typical behaviour.  As we grew older and people changed he maintained the same insecurities.  It made it more and more difficult to hang out with him as we got into our twenties and eventually he just became someone I avoided.  Great guy on his own, but his low self esteem pretty much destroyed the friendship.  He was the type of person that if I were to meet up with him today he would be great company one on one.  The minute others showed I know he'd find a way to bring up my grey hair or something else that he thought would elevate him by comparison. 


Chinguetti: I think you're talking about envy more than jealousy; just to split hairs.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8877 on: October 02, 2018, 08:47:55 am »
When I was a teen I had a close friend and we were young insecure guys who would mock each other in front of others in the hopes of making ourselves look better in the process.  Fairly typical behaviour.  As we grew older and people changed he maintained the same insecurities.  It made it more and more difficult to hang out with him as we got into our twenties and eventually he just became someone I avoided.  Great guy on his own, but his low self esteem pretty much destroyed the friendship.  He was the type of person that if I were to meet up with him today he would be great company one on one.  The minute others showed I know he'd find a way to bring up my grey hair or something else that he thought would elevate him by comparison.

I'm afraid I'm quite a bit more judgmental and wary of people who have that kind of attitude. There's a lot going on behind wanting to break another person down just to build yourself up, and while insecurity serves as a foundation for all of that bullshit, there's a lot built on top of that foundation that makes it a lot more complicated, especially once they enter adulthood. You can see this behind why some people "grow out of it" vs. people who just don't. Basically, him bringing up your grey hair wouldn't be the only thing you'd have to worry about if you continued to have this guy in your life to any significant degree. He wouldn't be someone I could trust. Like, at all.

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Chinguetti: I think you're talking about envy more than jealousy; just to split hairs.

You're right.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8878 on: October 02, 2018, 08:54:38 am »
When I was a teen I had a close friend and we were young insecure guys who would mock each other in front of others in the hopes of making ourselves look better in the process.  Fairly typical behaviour.  As we grew older and people changed he maintained the same insecurities.  It made it more and more difficult to hang out with him as we got into our twenties and eventually he just became someone I avoided.  Great guy on his own, but his low self esteem pretty much destroyed the friendship.  He was the type of person that if I were to meet up with him today he would be great company one on one.  The minute others showed I know he'd find a way to bring up my grey hair or something else that he thought would elevate him by comparison. 


Chinguetti: I think you're talking about envy more than jealousy; just to split hairs.

Isn't that the exact kind of thing you just said you avoided your friend for doing?  :laugh:
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8879 on: October 02, 2018, 09:32:29 am »
No.