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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8640 on: September 04, 2018, 03:19:01 pm »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass.

The context is that those drivers are d1cks.

PS There is no defined "slow lane" in Korea.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8641 on: September 04, 2018, 03:33:34 pm »
In Sligo's defense, given Korea's labyrinthine streets, he might have had an upcoming turn somewhere nearby.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8642 on: September 04, 2018, 04:23:59 pm »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass.

The context is that those drivers are d1cks.

PS There is no defined "slow lane" in Korea.

Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here, and you are wrong. There are passing lanes and slower lanes, just like in western countries. Unfortunately, people don't use passing lanes properly in Korea, and instead hold long lines of cars up because they think they're special.

Here's some useful info on how to drive on the expressway in Korea. It explains how to use passing lanes. https://www.koroad.or.kr/en_web/view/drvGuide3.do


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8643 on: September 04, 2018, 05:06:47 pm »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass

Reminds me of the poster who once complained about Koreans honking at him when he was at a red light, but was unaware that Korea has a "Turn right on red" law and that blocking the right lane is generally considered a dick move in any country/state that has "turn right on red".

I lived in a "Turn right on Red" state and we'd get the same kind of "Why are divers here such jerks?" from people from out of state who didn't know the local rules of the road.

You are not allowed to turn right if either road is showing a green man, but you either hear honk honk honk, or they drive around you as you wait to turn, and they nearly hit those crossing.

As for 2 lanes, often a car in the fast lane isnt going fast enough, so drivers attempt ro undertake by switching to the other lane only to see my car and demand i move.  Why? If they want to overtake, do it on the left not the right!


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8644 on: September 04, 2018, 07:00:13 pm »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass

Reminds me of the poster who once complained about Koreans honking at him when he was at a red light, but was unaware that Korea has a "Turn right on red" law and that blocking the right lane is generally considered a dick move in any country/state that has "turn right on red".

I lived in a "Turn right on Red" state and we'd get the same kind of "Why are divers here such jerks?" from people from out of state who didn't know the local rules of the road.

You are not allowed to turn right if either road is showing a green man, but you either hear honk honk honk, or they drive around you as you wait to turn, and they nearly hit those crossing.

As for 2 lanes, often a car in the fast lane isnt going fast enough, so drivers attempt ro undertake by switching to the other lane only to see my car and demand i move.  Why? If they want to overtake, do it on the left not the right!

If people are honking at you to go faster while you're driving in the slow lane, they are in the wrong. If people are honking at you when you're holding up traffic in the fast lane, you are in the wrong.

The reason people undertake is because too many people drive slowly in the fast lane. The worst offenders are middle aged men driving pickups and women chatting on their phone with no awareness of a world outside their own head.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8645 on: September 04, 2018, 08:45:39 pm »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass.

The context is that those drivers are d1cks.

PS There is no defined "slow lane" in Korea.

Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here, and you are wrong. There are passing lanes and slower lanes, just like in western countries. Unfortunately, people don't use passing lanes properly in Korea, and instead hold long lines of cars up because they think they're special.

Here's some useful info on how to drive on the expressway in Korea. It explains how to use passing lanes. https://www.koroad.or.kr/en_web/view/drvGuide3.do

Yes, in theory, there are overtaking lanes and slow lanes, with the middle lanes being for cruising. But in Korea, the majority of drivers have poor lane discipline which calls for overtaking in all lanes.

You learned to drive here? Must suck that all that knowledge matters not when driving for real here.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8646 on: September 04, 2018, 09:26:39 pm »
Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here,
Good God.
Are you as bad at driving as every other cretin on the roads here?
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8647 on: September 04, 2018, 09:51:37 pm »
Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here,
Good God.
Are you as bad at driving as every other cretin on the roads here?

How do you define "bad"? I have enough awareness to pull over to the right when someone needs to pass me at a higher speed, but that situation doesn't occur too often. :laugh:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8648 on: September 04, 2018, 10:43:39 pm »
Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here,
Good God.
Are you as bad at driving as every other cretin on the roads here?

How do you define "bad"? I have enough awareness to pull over to the right when someone needs to pass me at a higher speed, but that situation doesn't occur too often. :laugh:

A lot of @ssholes on the highway will drive up to you at speed, way beyond the speed limit and rather than wait for you to move they will attempt to pass from the other lane and then cut back to your lane causing you to hit the brakes.

Sometimes, you can't pull over because there happens to be slower vehicles in the other lane but the @ssholes think they can weave in and out like F1 drivers causing a dangerous situation.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8649 on: September 05, 2018, 08:05:22 am »
Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here,
Good God.
Are you as bad at driving as every other cretin on the roads here?

How do you define "bad"? I have enough awareness to pull over to the right when someone needs to pass me at a higher speed, but that situation doesn't occur too often. :laugh:

A lot of @ssholes on the highway will drive up to you at speed, way beyond the speed limit and rather than wait for you to move they will attempt to pass from the other lane and then cut back to your lane causing you to hit the brakes.

Sometimes, you can't pull over because there happens to be slower vehicles in the other lane but the @ssholes think they can weave in and out like F1 drivers causing a dangerous situation.

My theory to makes Koreans more careful at driving is to make them all drive manuals.  Automatics make it too easy to be a shitier driver than they already are.

True that! I learned on a manual but I also learned how to drive safely. Driving a manual means that they [Korean drivers] would need to concentrate more on the road but given that they don't already check mirrors and indicate BEFORE changing lanes then I foresee more accidents. Also, how can they hold their phone and change gears at the same time?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8650 on: September 05, 2018, 08:09:01 am »
Sorry, but I learned to drive from scratch here,
Good God.
Are you as bad at driving as every other cretin on the roads here?

How do you define "bad"? I have enough awareness to pull over to the right when someone needs to pass me at a higher speed, but that situation doesn't occur too often. :laugh:

A lot of @ssholes on the highway will drive up to you at speed, way beyond the speed limit and rather than wait for you to move they will attempt to pass from the other lane and then cut back to your lane causing you to hit the brakes.

Sometimes, you can't pull over because there happens to be slower vehicles in the other lane but the @ssholes think they can weave in and out like F1 drivers causing a dangerous situation.

There are drivers who just will not budge at all, driving the same speed as the person adjacent to them when they could easily pull in to the slow lane to let you by. I'm talking about a wilful disregard for traffic behind or complete lack of awareness of the road. I will sometimes undertake such drivers and cut back in sharply, but only if they're really being obnoxious. It's a way of saying "screw you", I suppose.

Driving to my travel school this morning, one driver drove in the fast lane at exactly the same speed as a tire delivery vehicle in the slow lane, with no thought for anyone but himself. This continued for the entire journey on the expressway, which was not exactly a long one, but still at least one exit to another. I was left wishing I drove a literal tank to blow that scumbag off the road.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8651 on: September 05, 2018, 08:31:59 am »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass

Reminds me of the poster who once complained about Koreans honking at him when he was at a red light, but was unaware that Korea has a "Turn right on red" law and that blocking the right lane is generally considered a dick move in any country/state that has "turn right on red".

I lived in a "Turn right on Red" state and we'd get the same kind of "Why are divers here such jerks?" from people from out of state who didn't know the local rules of the road.

You are not allowed to turn right if either road is showing a green man, but you either hear honk honk honk, or they drive around you as you wait to turn, and they nearly hit those crossing.

As for 2 lanes, often a car in the fast lane isnt going fast enough, so drivers attempt ro undertake by switching to the other lane only to see my car and demand i move.  Why? If they want to overtake, do it on the left not the right!

In this case, the person wasn't following the green crossing. They simply didn't know "turn right on red" existed. This happens in the states as well. Some drivers aren't aware, and some drivers turn right on red where it's illegal because they forget about the law change. It's an innocent mistake, but it's not always Place's X drivers are aholes.

And as I said, in your case if you're in the left lane, because of the way Korean roads are laid down, you can have a legitimate reason for being in the left lane and still slowing things down because you have to shift over for the next light or something. There are always explanations we need to consider before we assume someone is a rude driver.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8652 on: September 05, 2018, 09:09:59 am »

Martin, you do not drive in Korea.  Therefore you have no point of reference here.  So stop commenting on stuff you clearly have NO idea about.  Again.

What are you talking about? I've been driving here for ages.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't mean they have no point of reference.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8653 on: September 05, 2018, 09:20:15 am »

Martin, you do not drive in Korea.  Therefore you have no point of reference here.  So stop commenting on stuff you clearly have NO idea about.  Again.

What are you talking about? I've been driving here for ages.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't mean they have no point of reference.

Post a picture of yourself standing next to your car, holding your keys up in one hand, while giving a thumbs up with other hand. Do it. If you don't I'll never believe that you drive in Korea. In fact at this point I don't think you even can drive. You never learned did you Martin?

And you know what? You are going to have to learn "from scratch" in Korea, ala Stillinkorea. And you know what he does? He drives a Japanese car and puts traffic cones around it when he parks it. So you've got quite a future ahead of you old boy. Post a goddamn picture of yourself doing the thumbs up. Do it now. Don't disappoint me or your other waygook friends.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8654 on: September 05, 2018, 09:27:43 am »

Martin, you do not drive in Korea.  Therefore you have no point of reference here.  So stop commenting on stuff you clearly have NO idea about.  Again.

What are you talking about? I've been driving here for ages.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't mean they have no point of reference.

Post a picture of yourself standing next to your car, holding your keys up in one hand, while giving a thumbs up with other hand. Do it. If you don't I'll never believe that you drive in Korea. In fact at this point I don't think you even can drive. You never learned did you Martin?

And you know what? You are going to have to learn "from scratch" in Korea, ala Stillinkorea. And you know what he does? He drives a Japanese car and puts traffic cones around it when he parks it. So you've got quite a future ahead of you old boy. Post a goddamn picture of yourself doing the thumbs up. Do it now. Don't disappoint me or your other waygook friends.

 :laugh:

You know Martin's not old enough to drive.

He always has his light aircraft's pilot licence to fall back on.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8655 on: September 05, 2018, 10:08:17 am »
Post a picture of yourself standing next to your car, holding your keys up in one hand, while giving a thumbs up with other hand. Do it. If you don't I'll never believe that you drive in Korea. In fact at this point I don't think you even can drive. You never learned did you Martin?
Dude, I grew up in the States. I was driving to high school. I drove at my job. I drive in Korea.

No, I'm not going to doxx myself on here just for your amusement. Even if I did post my picture, you wouldn't believe it was me. Anyways, I don't have to prove shit to you.

OP thinks I don't drive in Korea because I haven't described driving in Korea in the most hysterical, over-the-top terms possible.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8656 on: September 05, 2018, 10:21:32 am »
I get sick of drivers driving 1 metre behind my car, and flashing lights to make me move, because there is a car in the adjacent lane.  This basically means i cannot hit my brakes, as the **** behind me will plow into me.  What gives him the right to demand i move for him?  Why should i drive at an unsafe speed just because he wants to pass?

What is the context for this? If you're driving adjacent another car at the same speed, and you're in the passing lane, then you are in the wrong. The same if you're driving slightly faster than vehicles in the slower lane and never pulling in to let faster vehicles pass

Reminds me of the poster who once complained about Koreans honking at him when he was at a red light, but was unaware that Korea has a "Turn right on red" law and that blocking the right lane is generally considered a dick move in any country/state that has "turn right on red".

I lived in a "Turn right on Red" state and we'd get the same kind of "Why are divers here such jerks?" from people from out of state who didn't know the local rules of the road.

You are not allowed to turn right if either road is showing a green man, but you either hear honk honk honk, or they drive around you as you wait to turn, and they nearly hit those crossing.

As for 2 lanes, often a car in the fast lane isnt going fast enough, so drivers attempt ro undertake by switching to the other lane only to see my car and demand i move.  Why? If they want to overtake, do it on the left not the right!

If people are honking at you to go faster while you're driving in the slow lane, they are in the wrong. If people are honking at you when you're holding up traffic in the fast lane, you are in the wrong.

The reason people undertake is because too many people drive slowly in the fast lane. The worst offenders are middle aged men driving pickups and women chatting on their phone with no awareness of a world outside their own head.

You mean like....Their world ends at their nose?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8657 on: September 05, 2018, 10:36:55 am »
I've said this before, but Seoul driving is not that different from any other big city.

Boston, Madrid, Toronto, Paris... I feel the same way and prefer no to drive.

Good cities I have driven in :

Montréal - fast and tight, but completely predictable. Compare to Toronto, where there is more space between cars, but many diverse driving styles.

Munich - people follow the rules in Germany.

Chicago - despite the overuse of horns, things are fairly consistent.









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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8658 on: September 05, 2018, 10:58:43 am »
Post a picture of yourself standing next to your car, holding your keys up in one hand, while giving a thumbs up with other hand. Do it. If you don't I'll never believe that you drive in Korea. In fact at this point I don't think you even can drive. You never learned did you Martin?
Dude, I grew up in the States. I was driving to high school. I drove at my job. I drive in Korea.

No, I'm not going to doxx myself on here just for your amusement. Even if I did post my picture, you wouldn't believe it was me. Anyways, I don't have to prove shit to you.

OP thinks I don't drive in Korea because I haven't described driving in Korea in the most hysterical, over-the-top terms possible.

I can't believe you've done this.

And doxxing? You think you are going to be doxxed? This community isn't that way. Once I posted my pic and you know what I received? Baskets of muffins. That's right. Several waygook users tracked down my details from my pic and sent me gift baskets. I can't subscribe to your Hobbesian view of humanity, Martin.

So again, post your pic, as I instructed. If not I will simply assume you cannot and have not ever driven. Except for the small red tricycle that was purchased for you as a child and bizarrely, if not worryingly, you still use to this day. Yes, he shipped his little red trike over to Korea and only God knows why.

You have 24 hours.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8659 on: September 05, 2018, 11:06:09 am »
Post a picture of yourself standing next to your car, holding your keys up in one hand, while giving a thumbs up with other hand. Do it. If you don't I'll never believe that you drive in Korea. In fact at this point I don't think you even can drive. You never learned did you Martin?
Dude, I grew up in the States. I was driving to high school. I drove at my job. I drive in Korea.

No, I'm not going to doxx myself on here just for your amusement. Even if I did post my picture, you wouldn't believe it was me. Anyways, I don't have to prove shit to you.

OP thinks I don't drive in Korea because I haven't described driving in Korea in the most hysterical, over-the-top terms possible.

I can't believe you've done this.

And doxxing? You think you are going to be doxxed? This community isn't that way. Once I posted my pic and you know what I received? Baskets of muffins. That's right. Several waygook users tracked down my details from my pic and sent me gift baskets. I can't subscribe to your Hobbesian view of humanity, Martin.

So again, post your pic, as I instructed. If not I will simply assume you cannot and have not ever driven. Except for the small red tricycle that was purchased for you as a child and bizarrely, if not worryingly, you still use to this day. Yes, he shipped his little red trike over to Korea and only God knows why.

You have 24 hours.

He drives Zola. I saw him delivering Domino's pizzas in Seoul last Friday. I knew it was him because he was wearing full leathers and had an 'I heart Korea' sticker on the rear of his helmet. I noticed it when he got off his bike at a red light right turn with a green man symbol on the pedestrian crossing to help carry an old lady's groceries across the road. I was in the back of a taxi and I heard the taxi driver say 'Look at this patriot, there aren't many like him around these days'.
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