RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

It would be fair to say that Korea is the birthplace of Korean Hip-hop.

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I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

I won't side one way or the other of the argument, but when I think of hip-hop, I do think of African American people.
I don't care for hip hop however. I think, in Korea and Japan, hip hop has gotten pretty big, but I'd never think of them first when thinking about hip hop.

I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

In terms of where Hip-Hop CAME FROM, the US is the rightful place. No one can deny that Korea has made a huge mark on the Hip-Hop genre, but it doesn't change the fact that they didn't make the genre.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

I'd have a hard time biting my tongue in this case, for sure. Props for that. xD

To answer your question, Korean hip-hop has a following, same as Kpop does, but it's far from leading the hip-hop industry, lmfao. Honestly, most people who listen to hip-hop would never even consider Korea. With that said, though, there are artists here who have been getting some attention from some big American hip-hop names.

there are artists here who have been getting some attention from some big American hip-hop names.

Is that attention in the form of payment to do a cameo or genuine fandom?

there are artists here who have been getting some attention from some big American hip-hop names.

Is that attention in the form of payment to do a cameo or genuine fandom?

Not always "payment", but there may be a contract clause that includes promoting artists on the same label.

I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

Yeah, like other people said, hip-hop originated in America. Has a unique take on the genre developed in Korea? Yes. Is it popular? Yes. Does it have anywhere near the market share or audience that American hip-hop does? Not even close. Like. At all.

The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)

does anyone outside korea listen to korean hip hop?

The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)

That was a good show. Way too hot, though. Also, I'll never understand the singalong mentality at concerts here. Seriously. I went to see Kendrick rap, not to listen to a stadium of people trying to rap along with Kendrick.

Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

K-rap. It's rap for people who don't know rap. Judging from most of the contestants on that K-rap contest "Show Me The Money" then I think that's true.

Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

I mean, Korean hip-hop artists would be artists who perform Korean hip-hop, ostensibly. Like, we already established that western hip-hop and Korean hip-hop are distinct genres.

So, to answer your question, yes? It's Korean rap.

K-rap.

 

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Clip-Clop - horse rap

K-rap.

 

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Napoleon Dynamite's brother turned gendarme?

Clip-Clop - horse rap

You missed a perfect opportunity for a trot joke.

I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

Well, they'd have an argument of they could tell you specifically how Korea reinvented Hip-Hop.
Bossa Nova, for example was a Brazilian spin on Jazz by a bunch of folks who decided to add local Samba to American Jazz.

As it stands, K-pop and K-rap is to pop and rap what Konglish is to English.

Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.

K-rap.

 

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We could go full Koreaboo and call it C-rap. Better spelling for it.

Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.

And even that sounds enough like Enka that I initially though they were just two words for the same thing, haha.

There are decent K-rappers out there. Just have to look outside of the mainstream. Mad Clown, Simon D, Dok2,Swings, etc. None of these Kpoppers who rap. You can tell they've been influenced by US hip hop and they always let it be known where their influence comes from.