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  • Waygook Lord

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    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8580 on: August 28, 2018, 11:49:55 am »
The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)


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  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8581 on: August 28, 2018, 11:51:14 am »
does anyone outside korea listen to korean hip hop?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8582 on: August 28, 2018, 11:56:20 am »
The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)

That was a good show. Way too hot, though. Also, I'll never understand the singalong mentality at concerts here. Seriously. I went to see Kendrick rap, not to listen to a stadium of people trying to rap along with Kendrick.

Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8583 on: August 28, 2018, 11:57:39 am »
Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?


  • Savant
  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8584 on: August 28, 2018, 11:59:00 am »
Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

K-rap. It's rap for people who don't know rap. Judging from most of the contestants on that K-rap contest "Show Me The Money" then I think that's true.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8585 on: August 28, 2018, 12:01:12 pm »
Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

I mean, Korean hip-hop artists would be artists who perform Korean hip-hop, ostensibly. Like, we already established that western hip-hop and Korean hip-hop are distinct genres.

So, to answer your question, yes? It's Korean rap.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8586 on: August 28, 2018, 12:06:50 pm »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8587 on: August 28, 2018, 12:22:50 pm »
K-rap.

 :wink:

Similar to Khip-Khop

Napoleon Dynamite's brother turned gendarme?


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8588 on: August 28, 2018, 12:47:25 pm »
Clip-Clop - horse rap

You missed a perfect opportunity for a trot joke.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8589 on: August 28, 2018, 01:05:56 pm »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

Well, they'd have an argument of they could tell you specifically how Korea reinvented Hip-Hop.
Bossa Nova, for example was a Brazilian spin on Jazz by a bunch of folks who decided to add local Samba to American Jazz.

As it stands, K-pop and K-rap is to pop and rap what Konglish is to English.

Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.
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  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8590 on: August 28, 2018, 01:16:39 pm »
K-rap.

 :wink:

Similar to Khip-Khop

We could go full Koreaboo and call it C-rap. Better spelling for it.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 08, 2013, 10:33:54 am
    • SK
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8591 on: August 28, 2018, 01:28:13 pm »

Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.

And even that sounds enough like Enka that I initially though they were just two words for the same thing, haha.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8592 on: August 28, 2018, 01:45:16 pm »
There are decent K-rappers out there. Just have to look outside of the mainstream. Mad Clown, Simon D, Dok2,Swings, etc. None of these Kpoppers who rap. You can tell they've been influenced by US hip hop and they always let it be known where their influence comes from.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8593 on: August 28, 2018, 01:46:44 pm »
 just lay me on the floor and let me die.

I backed up my external hard drive like 2 weeks ago but hadn't done it in the last week and it decided to just completely brick itself last night. I lost 3 weeks of 3rd and 4th lesson plans,  and two and a half weeks of 5th and 6th.

I have a feeling I'm going to have to buy some of that Infamous super caffeine coffee milk on my way home and just start grinding out as much as I possibly can.

Normally I wouldn't worry as much but because I've been able to handle more on my plate in terms of classes, I've become the driving force behind curriculum now and lost all of those plans as well.

Good news is it still under warranty, I'm just going to have to send it off back to the states to get fixed I think.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8594 on: August 28, 2018, 01:50:34 pm »
Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.

2nded on the trot. The thing I like about it is its lack of pretentiousness. It doesn't claim or try to be anything special, but it can bring back special memories of good times.

I do love seeing the ajumma bang bus roll by at 2pm in the afternoon with a bunch of people going nuts inside on their way to a "hiking" trip.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8595 on: August 28, 2018, 02:04:40 pm »
The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)

BTS...  They sold out Citi Stadium (which holds 44,000 people) in NY in under 15 minutes. Not to mention every other venue in less than 5 minutes.  And before people start chiming in saying "they aren't hip-hop" yea... actually, they are. 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8596 on: August 28, 2018, 02:05:56 pm »
The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)

They can pull 20k crowds at like, NBA arenas, especially BTS I'd imagine (just checked- yeah they're playing major NBA stadiums, pretty impressive). Doubtful they could pull 60k Olympic-level stadiums outside of Asia, but they're not exactly stuck playing alongside a puppet show.

As far as appropriation. For 20 years white America thought the original leaders of jazz were white people because the first major jazz album was by the Dukes of Dixieland. I think people can be a tad overly harsh given our own history of adopting music. And who cares if Koreans make rap music? No one I know who doesn't have a serious mental disorder gives a crap if people from Korea/Turkey/Slovakia/Cambodia/Peru/Norway/Nepal/etc. make rap music in their language.

Lastly, given the sheer number of Koreans I encounter at the club listening to ol 2Pac, Biggie, Run DMC, Snoop, etc. etc. stuff form the 80s-90s, I think a good chunk know where rap's roots come from.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8597 on: August 28, 2018, 02:10:55 pm »
just lay me on the floor and let me die.

I backed up my external hard drive like 2 weeks ago but hadn't done it in the last week and it decided to just completely brick itself last night. I lost 3 weeks of 3rd and 4th lesson plans,  and two and a half weeks of 5th and 6th.

I have a feeling I'm going to have to buy some of that Infamous super caffeine coffee milk on my way home and just start grinding out as much as I possibly can.

Normally I wouldn't worry as much but because I've been able to handle more on my plate in terms of classes, I've become the driving force behind curriculum now and lost all of those plans as well.

Good news is it still under warranty, I'm just going to have to send it off back to the states to get fixed I think.

I'm always worried things like that will happen.  One reason I save all my work to 3 different USB's.  Yea, I'm not kidding either.  I have a way of losing/erasing/forgetting my work.  **sigh** 

I'm really sorry!  After all that you've been through since starting work here... Super positive vibes that somehow your external will start working. 


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  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8598 on: August 28, 2018, 02:45:21 pm »
Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.

2nded on the trot. The thing I like about it is its lack of pretentiousness. It doesn't claim or try to be anything special, but it can bring back special memories of good times.

I do love seeing the ajumma bang bus roll by at 2pm in the afternoon with a bunch of people going nuts inside on their way to a "hiking" trip.

Whatever does it for you.


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  • The Legend

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    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Cairo, Egypt (formerly Seoul)
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8599 on: August 28, 2018, 04:30:30 pm »
Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.

2nded on the trot. The thing I like about it is its lack of pretentiousness. It doesn't claim or try to be anything special, but it can bring back special memories of good times.

I do love seeing the ajumma bang bus roll by at 2pm in the afternoon with a bunch of people going nuts inside on their way to a "hiking" trip.

Tee hee