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    • August 22, 2015, 04:48:38 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8540 on: August 27, 2018, 02:26:21 pm »
A puddle also managed to trick me into thinking it wasn't a puddle, and now my shoes and socks are soggy wet.

Hate when puddles do that.


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  • The Legend

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    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8541 on: August 27, 2018, 03:00:13 pm »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?
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  • JNM
  • Waygook Lord

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    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Cairo, Egypt (formerly Seoul)
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8542 on: August 27, 2018, 03:03:13 pm »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

It would be fair to say that Korea is the birthplace of Korean Hip-hop.

:)


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  • The Legend

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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8543 on: August 27, 2018, 03:08:04 pm »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

I won't side one way or the other of the argument, but when I think of hip-hop, I do think of African American people.
I don't care for hip hop however. I think, in Korea and Japan, hip hop has gotten pretty big, but I'd never think of them first when thinking about hip hop.


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  • Expert Waygook

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    • August 29, 2017, 10:26:13 am
    • Cheongju, South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8544 on: August 27, 2018, 03:09:28 pm »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

In terms of where Hip-Hop CAME FROM, the US is the rightful place. No one can deny that Korea has made a huge mark on the Hip-Hop genre, but it doesn't change the fact that they didn't make the genre.
The World Ends With You


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8545 on: August 27, 2018, 03:31:12 pm »
Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

I'd have a hard time biting my tongue in this case, for sure. Props for that. xD

To answer your question, Korean hip-hop has a following, same as Kpop does, but it's far from leading the hip-hop industry, lmfao. Honestly, most people who listen to hip-hop would never even consider Korea. With that said, though, there are artists here who have been getting some attention from some big American hip-hop names.


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8546 on: August 27, 2018, 04:42:40 pm »
there are artists here who have been getting some attention from some big American hip-hop names.

Is that attention in the form of payment to do a cameo or genuine fandom?


  • JNM
  • Waygook Lord

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    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Cairo, Egypt (formerly Seoul)
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8547 on: August 27, 2018, 04:47:03 pm »
there are artists here who have been getting some attention from some big American hip-hop names.

Is that attention in the form of payment to do a cameo or genuine fandom?
Not always "payment", but there may be a contract clause that includes promoting artists on the same label.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8548 on: August 28, 2018, 11:34:29 am »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

Yeah, like other people said, hip-hop originated in America. Has a unique take on the genre developed in Korea? Yes. Is it popular? Yes. Does it have anywhere near the market share or audience that American hip-hop does? Not even close. Like. At all.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8549 on: August 28, 2018, 11:49:55 am »
The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)


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  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8550 on: August 28, 2018, 11:51:14 am »
does anyone outside korea listen to korean hip hop?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8551 on: August 28, 2018, 11:56:20 am »
The fact that Kendrick Lamar can come to Korea and play an Olympic Stadium should be proof enough of that.

I can't name a single Korean hip hop star, let alone them touring the world playing stadiums in other countries.

(Before your panties get in a knot, this doesn't mean I don't like them or that they suck, we're talking about global recogniton, relax.)

That was a good show. Way too hot, though. Also, I'll never understand the singalong mentality at concerts here. Seriously. I went to see Kendrick rap, not to listen to a stadium of people trying to rap along with Kendrick.

Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8552 on: August 28, 2018, 11:57:39 am »
Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?


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  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8553 on: August 28, 2018, 11:59:00 am »
Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

K-rap. It's rap for people who don't know rap. Judging from most of the contestants on that K-rap contest "Show Me The Money" then I think that's true.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8554 on: August 28, 2018, 12:01:12 pm »
Also, global recognition, I'm sure most people can't name a single Korean hip-hop artist, but you've lived here for like six years. Surely you've heard of some of the members of Big Bang (GD, TOP, etc), or like Tiger JK, or any of the other locally famous ones. I mean, almost every pop group has at least one designated 'rapper' or 'hip-hop' member.

THAT'S RAP?

I mean, Korean hip-hop artists would be artists who perform Korean hip-hop, ostensibly. Like, we already established that western hip-hop and Korean hip-hop are distinct genres.

So, to answer your question, yes? It's Korean rap.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8555 on: August 28, 2018, 12:06:50 pm »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8556 on: August 28, 2018, 12:22:50 pm »
K-rap.

 :wink:

Similar to Khip-Khop

Napoleon Dynamite's brother turned gendarme?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8557 on: August 28, 2018, 12:47:25 pm »
Clip-Clop - horse rap

You missed a perfect opportunity for a trot joke.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8558 on: August 28, 2018, 01:05:56 pm »
I'm not one to scream cultural appropriation. In fact, i'd say 95% i've heard someone make that argument I just scratch my head. But I had a class this morning where there was quite a heated argument about hip-hop. These are university aged students in a discussion class where my job is to steer the discussion but keep my own opinions out of it.

The exercise had genres of music and they had to listen to a clip and say which dot on the map the music came from. It went through traditional music from around the world, some classical music, folk songs, rock and roll. When it got to the hip-hop example a group of the students argued that the dot should be on Korea. One other guy disagreed, in my opinion rightly, that rap/hip-hop was created by African Americans and they are still the main driving force. This other group took that as a personal attack and claimed Korean hip-hop has more influence nowadays and is more innovative and therefore were the representatives of hip-hop. I tried to explain that the exercise was more just what country comes to mind when you heard the music. They stuck to their view that when people around the world heard hip-hop more and more think of Korea first.

Fark right off... is what I wanted to say. The rest of class just kind of sat on the fence. But this group of 5 were adamant and annoyed that I wouldn't immediately accept their answer. TBH I listen to very little rap and havent for a good 10 years. Is Korean hip-hop huge nowadays? Obviously they were way overboard saying Korea should be marked on a world map as the birthplace of hip-hop, but I'm past the age of really keeping up with pop culture. I'm I missing something here?

Well, they'd have an argument of they could tell you specifically how Korea reinvented Hip-Hop.
Bossa Nova, for example was a Brazilian spin on Jazz by a bunch of folks who decided to add local Samba to American Jazz.

As it stands, K-pop and K-rap is to pop and rap what Konglish is to English.

Korea's only somewhat original music is 'Trot', it's definitely very 'Soviet' in it's style, but it's endearing and, in a really goofy way, charming enough to be it's own offshoot.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 01:07:51 pm by Aristocrat »


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  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8559 on: August 28, 2018, 01:16:39 pm »
K-rap.

 :wink:

Similar to Khip-Khop

We could go full Koreaboo and call it C-rap. Better spelling for it.