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  • oglop
  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8480 on: July 17, 2018, 10:57:44 am »
Individually wrapped cookies.

**** you, Lotte.
yeah, ordering stuff like cans of tuna from coupang. wrapped in bubble wrap, with the cans wrapped in plastic (in cans of 3), and then the cans of 3 are wrapped in more plastic, in sets of 9.

this is all surrounded with those air-pocket padding, and put in a box. or, in another plastic bag


  • kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8481 on: July 17, 2018, 11:00:49 am »

What do you figure: was this the post that got Donovan muted?  :laugh:


  • JVPrice
  • Expert Waygook

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    • August 29, 2017, 10:26:13 am
    • Tampa, FL
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8482 on: July 17, 2018, 11:41:02 am »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?
The World Ends With You


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8483 on: July 17, 2018, 11:41:56 am »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

It's okay. You'll get used to being held to a completely different standard than Korean teachers.


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8484 on: July 17, 2018, 12:07:19 pm »
Some kids you literally want to shake by the neck of their shirt and tell them that they're f**king awful.

Our school board decided that having 27 kids in the 3rd grade level wasn't enough to warrant two homeroom classes. So there is ONE.

Can't imagine what it's like for their homeroom teacher.
William Sanzinger Killed Poor Hattie Carroll


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8485 on: July 17, 2018, 01:13:00 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

Just show a movie then.


  • MoonChild
  • Waygookin

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    • June 14, 2018, 11:30:45 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8486 on: July 17, 2018, 01:18:55 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

Played charades with my kids...its English and good for conversation. I am not talking much... :laugh:
Man's not hot


  • Kayos
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8487 on: July 17, 2018, 01:24:06 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

Just don't ask, wait until you're on your way to class and they ask what you've prepared. Just say, oh, I'm planning to watch a movie with the students.
Then if it's a problem, just give the ol' "Sorry, I don't have anything else prepared." line.
Granted, my schools actually prefer watching movies vs playing games / teaching after exams lol; 2/3 of my co-teachers hate games.


  • AvecPommesFrites
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    • September 04, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8488 on: July 17, 2018, 02:26:52 pm »
Donovan's been muted and that penis enlarger thread has vanished from thin air. Flags at half mast please.
Soggy undergarments


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8489 on: July 17, 2018, 02:27:49 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?
This happens to me at the end of every single semester.


  • Savant
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8490 on: July 17, 2018, 02:40:50 pm »
Donovan's been muted and that penis enlarger thread has vanished from thin air. Flags at half mast please.

Nice euphemism.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8491 on: July 17, 2018, 02:43:43 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

You've not learned one of the biggest rules in the Korean workplace, "Don't ask, don't tell".
The simple act of asking means your CT has to give you the official response so it doesn't come back to him/her
that he/she authorized it. You've also acknowledged that your CT has authority over you, by asking permission. Over time, you have to simply do things (within reason) without asking, pretend like you don't need permission and you'll be recognized as such.

Personally, I prefer to save the movies for the very last week.
I like to use the time to teach something useful for a change. I got in a bit of a spat with my CT, a few weeks ago, at the absolutely abysmal level of the 4th and 5th graders reading and listening ability. I explained that she can't simply rote the textbook to them, their English was actually getting worse and that since she teaches them 4 days a week as opposed to my 1, she MUST teach them how to read. The b*tch has actually been instructing them to use hangul to spell English, as a shortcut and a way to compensate for her own lack of teaching ability.

To drive the point home, last week I taught them the phonetic sounds of the 5 English vowels. Not a single 5th grader knew the phonetic sound or that an English letter had a phonetic sound as well as a name, just like Korean. It was like teaching English to students who've never learned English... scratch that, it was more challenging, as I had to at demonstrate that their 'hangulization' was hampering their ears and pronunciation. The lesson went well and this week I tested them on it.

I simply sounded out each vowel and the students had to write it down, I then moved on to a vowel an a single consonant eg. 'at' 'ab' 'ac' 'up' 'it' etc.
Finally, I tried testing them on formulating 3 letter words by listening eg. 'cat' 'mat' 'hat 'hot 'hut'.
Many students struggled and couldn't even hear how many letters I was sounding out.
However, a few absolutely shone. One girl, who refuses to read anything until now, was so proud that she could actually understand, pronounce and hear the difference in 'hat' 'hot' and 'hut'.

I think this was the first time she actually understood how to sound out and read English words. After class, she took a simple book from the shelf and asked me to read a few words with her before she went to her next class. 

... Sorry for going on a tangent, but yeah, that's my story for the day. I'd rather do that, even if it means I've only  helped start the cogs in one students head, that's certainly better than just letting them drone on watching 'Moana' for the millionth time.


  • AvecPommesFrites
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    • September 04, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8492 on: July 17, 2018, 02:46:59 pm »
Donovan's been muted and that penis enlarger thread has vanished from thin air. Flags at half mast please.

Nice euphemism.

 ;D
Soggy undergarments


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8493 on: July 17, 2018, 02:47:21 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

You've not learned one of the biggest rules in the Korean workplace, "Don't ask, don't tell".
The simple act of asking means your CT has to give you the official response so it doesn't come back to him/her
that he/she authorized it. You've also acknowledged that your CT has authority over you, by asking permission. Over time, you have to simply do things (within reason) without asking, pretend like you don't need permission and you'll be recognized as such.

Personally, I prefer to save the movies for the very last week.
I like to use the time to teach something useful for a change. I got in a bit of a spat with my CT, a few weeks ago, at the absolutely abysmal level of the 4th and 5th graders reading and listening ability. I explained that she can't simply rote the textbook to them, their English was actually getting worse and that since she teaches them 4 days a week as opposed to my 1, she MUST teach them how to read. The b*tch has actually been instructing them to use hangul to spell English, as a shortcut and a way to compensate for her own lack of teaching ability.

To drive the point home, last week I taught them the phonetic sounds of the 5 English vowels. Not a single 5th grader knew the phonetic sound or that an English letter had a phonetic sound as well as a name, just like Korean. It was like teaching English to students who've never learned English... scratch that, it was more challenging, as I had to at demonstrate that their 'hangulization' was hampering their ears and pronunciation. The lesson went well and this week I tested them on it.

I simply sounded out each vowel and the students had to write it down, I then moved on to a vowel an a single consonant eg. 'at' 'ab' 'ac' 'up' 'it' etc.
Finally, I tried testing them on formulating 3 letter words by listening eg. 'cat' 'mat' 'hat 'hot 'hut'.
Many students struggled and couldn't even hear how many letters I was sounding out.
However, a few absolutely shone. One girl, who refuses to read anything until now, was so proud that she could actually understand, pronounce and hear the difference in 'hat' 'hot' and 'hut'.

I think this was the first time she actually understood how to sound out and read English words. After class, she took a simple book from the shelf and asked me to read a few words with her before she went to her next class. 

... Sorry for going on a tangent, but yeah, that's my story for the day. I'd rather do that, even if it means I've only  helped start the cogs in one students head, that's certainly better than just letting them drone on watching 'Moana' for the millionth time.

I've done listening activities like that. It can be really effective.

Where do you work where 4th and 5th graders have five English classes per week?


  • kyndo
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8494 on: July 17, 2018, 02:50:41 pm »
One girl, who refuses to read anything until now, was so proud that she could actually understand, pronounce and hear the difference in 'hat' 'hot' and 'hut'.

I think this was the first time she actually understood how to sound out and read English words. After class, she took a simple book from the shelf and asked me to read a few words with her before she went to her next class. 
Those light-bulb moments are what makes teaching totally worthwhile. Well, and the money, of course.  :azn:


  • JVPrice
  • Expert Waygook

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    • August 29, 2017, 10:26:13 am
    • Tampa, FL
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8495 on: July 17, 2018, 02:57:54 pm »
*Last Week*

:lipsrsealed: Me: Is it ok if I show a movie?
:-* CT: Vice Principal said we should continue teaching!
:sad: Me: Oh, ok.

*This week*

What else do I see but every teacher showing movies as I walk down the hall?

You've not learned one of the biggest rules in the Korean workplace, "Don't ask, don't tell".
The simple act of asking means your CT has to give you the official response so it doesn't come back to him/her
that he/she authorized it. You've also acknowledged that your CT has authority over you, by asking permission. Over time, you have to simply do things (within reason) without asking, pretend like you don't need permission and you'll be recognized as such.

Personally, I prefer to save the movies for the very last week.
I like to use the time to teach something useful for a change. I got in a bit of a spat with my CT, a few weeks ago, at the absolutely abysmal level of the 4th and 5th graders reading and listening ability. I explained that she can't simply rote the textbook to them, their English was actually getting worse and that since she teaches them 4 days a week as opposed to my 1, she MUST teach them how to read. The b*tch has actually been instructing them to use hangul to spell English, as a shortcut and a way to compensate for her own lack of teaching ability.

To drive the point home, last week I taught them the phonetic sounds of the 5 English vowels. Not a single 5th grader knew the phonetic sound or that an English letter had a phonetic sound as well as a name, just like Korean. It was like teaching English to students who've never learned English... scratch that, it was more challenging, as I had to at demonstrate that their 'hangulization' was hampering their ears and pronunciation. The lesson went well and this week I tested them on it.

I simply sounded out each vowel and the students had to write it down, I then moved on to a vowel an a single consonant eg. 'at' 'ab' 'ac' 'up' 'it' etc.
Finally, I tried testing them on formulating 3 letter words by listening eg. 'cat' 'mat' 'hat 'hot 'hut'.
Many students struggled and couldn't even hear how many letters I was sounding out.
However, a few absolutely shone. One girl, who refuses to read anything until now, was so proud that she could actually understand, pronounce and hear the difference in 'hat' 'hot' and 'hut'.

I think this was the first time she actually understood how to sound out and read English words. After class, she took a simple book from the shelf and asked me to read a few words with her before she went to her next class. 

... Sorry for going on a tangent, but yeah, that's my story for the day. I'd rather do that, even if it means I've only  helped start the cogs in one students head, that's certainly better than just letting them drone on watching 'Moana' for the millionth time.

At this point of the year, I'm no longer limited by the textbook, so I know what you mean. I've also used a lesson where we review letter pronunciations and use tongue twisters to help reinforce certain sounds.

As far as permission goes, it's a bit more complicated this year. My CT I refer to was the CT who "co-teached" with me last year, but this year there is another teacher who literally only comes to my school to teach 3 classes with me before going back to her main school. Meanwhile I still share office space with the former CT. She still oversees the education of the 1st graders (middle school), so I still go through her in terms of lesson planning. I'd rather ask out of courtesy at least. Yeah it sucks, but a least they can't call me lazy  :lipsrsealed:
The World Ends With You


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8496 on: July 17, 2018, 03:04:41 pm »
Hopefully this is the right place to bitch about co workers.
Generally my co teachers are a massive help. I have three, one for fourth, fifth and sixth grade. Sadly my sixth grade co teacher took early maternity leave about four months ago. I ended up with a temporary co teacher who is completely inept.
She lets students talk over her, can't effectively discipline students and never even asks what we're going to do before a lesson. I've had four months of being responsible for planning out the semester, preparing all lesson material and figuring out how to present it without a co teacher to help translate because her English level is lower than a lot of my students.
She actually makes my job more difficult by walking around while i'm presenting vocabulary, the rules of a game or playing a song while the students complete a gapfill and then she just chats in Korean which is really distracting. She almost never speaks in English during lessons. My ideal lesson these days are the ones where she stands at the back subtly using her phone. I've also noticed that some of the work she does during her solo lessons seems very low level.. like 3rd or 4th grade color the picture kind of stuff. The classroom is often messier as well so I end up tidying frequently after her lessons end. She also has a terrible habit of jamming the photocopier and then just walking away... which isn't a great tactic as its jammed with her crappy worksheets.
I'm proud to say that three of my sixth grade classes are doing very well overall but the other two are noticeably worse in terms of their behavior.
At this point i'm feeling burnt out and can only hope that I never have the misfortune of working with her again after the semester ends next week.
Rant finished....


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8497 on: July 17, 2018, 03:14:25 pm »
Hopefully this is the right place to bitch about co workers.
Generally my co teachers are a massive help. I have three, one for fourth, fifth and sixth grade. Sadly my sixth grade co teacher took early maternity leave about four months ago. I ended up with a temporary co teacher who is completely inept.
She lets students talk over her, can't effectively discipline students and never even asks what we're going to do before a lesson. I've had four months of being responsible for planning out the semester, preparing all lesson material and figuring out how to present it without a co teacher to help translate because her English level is lower than a lot of my students.
She actually makes my job more difficult by walking around while i'm presenting vocabulary, the rules of a game or playing a song while the students complete a gapfill and then she just chats in Korean which is really distracting. She almost never speaks in English during lessons. My ideal lesson these days are the ones where she stands at the back subtly using her phone. I've also noticed that some of the work she does during her solo lessons seems very low level.. like 3rd or 4th grade color the picture kind of stuff. The classroom is often messier as well so I end up tidying frequently after her lessons end. She also has a terrible habit of jamming the photocopier and then just walking away... which isn't a great tactic as its jammed with her crappy worksheets.
I'm proud to say that three of my sixth grade classes are doing very well overall but the other two are noticeably worse in terms of their behavior.
At this point i'm feeling burnt out and can only hope that I never have the misfortune of working with her again after the semester ends next week.
Rant finished....


I'm guessing she's slightly on the older side, correct?

I've worked with lots of temp teachers like that. They have very few expectations placed on them, and have no vested interest in putting a lot of effort into the classes. Also, their English level may be much lower than that of most regular teachers.

There's not much you can do. Just roll with it. There's no point getting into a spat with her. Just show up, do whatever for the forty minutes with the comfort of knowing that she doesn't care if you phone it in, and she would also prefer if you could both have a minimum effort class.

Plus, they're 6th graders, so you won't even have to deal with them next year.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8498 on: July 17, 2018, 03:22:06 pm »
Hopefully this is the right place to bitch about co workers.
Generally my co teachers are a massive help. I have three, one for fourth, fifth and sixth grade. Sadly my sixth grade co teacher took early maternity leave about four months ago. I ended up with a temporary co teacher who is completely inept.
She lets students talk over her, can't effectively discipline students and never even asks what we're going to do before a lesson. I've had four months of being responsible for planning out the semester, preparing all lesson material and figuring out how to present it without a co teacher to help translate because her English level is lower than a lot of my students.
She actually makes my job more difficult by walking around while i'm presenting vocabulary, the rules of a game or playing a song while the students complete a gapfill and then she just chats in Korean which is really distracting. She almost never speaks in English during lessons. My ideal lesson these days are the ones where she stands at the back subtly using her phone. I've also noticed that some of the work she does during her solo lessons seems very low level.. like 3rd or 4th grade color the picture kind of stuff. The classroom is often messier as well so I end up tidying frequently after her lessons end. She also has a terrible habit of jamming the photocopier and then just walking away... which isn't a great tactic as its jammed with her crappy worksheets.
I'm proud to say that three of my sixth grade classes are doing very well overall but the other two are noticeably worse in terms of their behavior.
At this point i'm feeling burnt out and can only hope that I never have the misfortune of working with her again after the semester ends next week.
Rant finished....


I'm guessing she's slightly on the older side, correct?

I've worked with lots of temp teachers like that. They have very few expectations placed on them, and have no vested interest in putting a lot of effort into the classes. Also, their English level may be much lower than that of most regular teachers.

There's not much you can do. Just roll with it. There's no point getting into a spat with her. Just show up, do whatever for the forty minutes with the comfort of knowing that she doesn't care if you phone it in, and she would also prefer if you could both have a minimum effort class.

Plus, they're 6th graders, so you won't even have to deal with them next year.

Sadly I still have a semester to go and feel bad that my original co teacher will have to help me fix these discipline issues. She's actually quite young, early 30's. She's very polite but just seems to not take anything seriously. I've been putting a lot of work in but over the past two months try to subtly show the students that she has no real authority or role in the lesson. Like when I give out a worksheet which she can't really help the students with because it's too hard for her and I didn't give her an answer sheet. That's about the closest i'll get to any form of revenge though. I'm mostly just annoyed that she gets paid to be there and also that i'm overworked. I'm actually more stressed out now than I was while both working and studying my masters.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8499 on: July 17, 2018, 03:25:49 pm »
I've been in that exact situation. And I was really stressed, and felt really petty and bitter, like you do.

Then that teacher got a bad attitude towards me and it ended up being a huge headache.

Next time I had a teacher who really didn't care at all, I just dialed back my expectations, chatted with her and the students, didn't stress about anything, and didn't try to force the lessons, and everything was great. It was one of the easiest semesters I ever had, and everyone was happy.

Just change your perspective and realize that you've basically been given a free pass to have super low-effort classes.

Having a super disinterested teacher who doesn't ask anything of you or the students doesn't mean you have to do more work. It actually means you can do much, much less.