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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7880 on: May 02, 2018, 03:17:35 pm »
You know another word Americans pronounce better different?

"vitamin"

Only the difference is a bit more obvious.

I had no idea broccoli derived from cabbage.  (Along with misc other veggies.)

Fun fact, it's like real-life pokemon. Cabbage is basically magikarp. No one really knows what it's good for, BUT THEN


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7881 on: May 02, 2018, 03:22:21 pm »
Wait, how do you pronunciation snobs pronounce it? I don't think I've ever heard a non-American say it out loud, so I didn't know there was a difference.

Was just thinking this.

Like... trawling?
  :laugh:

God no...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/troll?q=trolling

The difference in pronunciation in those examples is honestly subtle enough that I probably wouldn't have even registered it as different if I heard it in casual conversation. Is the difference in real life more pronounced than in those recordings? They certainly don't sound drastic enough that I'd liken it to nails on a chalkboard or think it "does my head in," but I guess everyone has to be passionate about something.

Calm down Mr. Tim, it was clearly meant in jest. (From my side, don't know about Avec)

I also didn't say this pronunciation specifically,

Just that sometimes the American pronunciation of a words feels like nails on a chalkboard. One specific  example would be "Schedule".

I just prefer British pronunciation, it isn't a personal attack on you or your country.  ;D

Sorry. It's become one of my pet peeves over the years, I suppose, so I probably read too much in to it sometimes. Condescension from Brits, that is. Whether it's about American English, still using the Imperial measuring system, or our... uh... eating habits, I've just grown tired of people looking down their noses at us. Tired enough that even when it's done in jest, I let it get to me, apparently.

I actually used to really want to visit the UK again (I lived in Scotland when I was very young, my earliest memories are there), but then the internet came along and exposed me to all the things they think and have to say about us, and I'm just about cured of that desire.  :laugh:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7882 on: May 02, 2018, 03:32:20 pm »
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I actually used to really want to visit the UK again (I lived in Scotland when I was very young, my earliest memories are there), but then the internet came along and exposed me to all the things they think and have to say about us, and I'm just about cured of that desire.  :laugh:

Yeah I put off my trip to the States because of my less than perfect teeth.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7883 on: May 02, 2018, 03:33:45 pm »
Wait, how do you pronunciation snobs pronounce it? I don't think I've ever heard a non-American say it out loud, so I didn't know there was a difference.

Was just thinking this.

Like... trawling?
  :laugh:

God no...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/troll?q=trolling

The difference in pronunciation in those examples is honestly subtle enough that I probably wouldn't have even registered it as different if I heard it in casual conversation. Is the difference in real life more pronounced than in those recordings? They certainly don't sound drastic enough that I'd liken it to nails on a chalkboard or think it "does my head in," but I guess everyone has to be passionate about something.

Calm down Mr. Tim, it was clearly meant in jest. (From my side, don't know about Avec)

I also didn't say this pronunciation specifically,

Just that sometimes the American pronunciation of a words feels like nails on a chalkboard. One specific  example would be "Schedule".

I just prefer British pronunciation, it isn't a personal attack on you or your country.  ;D

Sorry. It's become one of my pet peeves over the years, I suppose, so I probably read too much in to it sometimes. Condescension from Brits, that is. Whether it's about American English, still using the Imperial measuring system, or our... uh... eating habits, I've just grown tired of people looking down their noses at us. Tired enough that even when it's done in jest, I let it get to me, apparently.

I actually used to really want to visit the UK again (I lived in Scotland when I was very young, my earliest memories are there), but then the internet came along and exposed me to all the things they think and have to say about us, and I'm just about cured of that desire.  :laugh:

It could be that they were trying to be funny. We can be awkward to resort to "banter" which sometimes comes across a lot worse than we intend.

I don't think many Brits truly care about pronunciation differences or word differences, apart from a few... :laugh:
You're one of the biggest countries in the world and so you're a pretty easy target.   ;D

What to Brits say about your eating habits? I've never heard that one. 

Talking of built up resentment though...I do hate it when I have a school/teacher force the American pronunciations on me (I haven't had this for years thankfully but I know many British teachers do) and the students. I understand that is the language used here, however I don't feel that the kids should be told that the American way is the only *correct* way.
 If it is, why do they hire from different countries?   >:(
I think it's important to let them know there are many ways and I try my best to show them both American / British sounds where i can.



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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7884 on: May 02, 2018, 03:35:41 pm »
You know another word Americans pronounce better different?

"vitamin"

Only the difference is a bit more obvious.

I had no idea broccoli derived from cabbage.  (Along with misc other veggies.)

Fun fact, it's like real-life pokemon. Cabbage is basically magikarp. No one really knows what it's good for, BUT THEN

Fun fact, that was my nickname at my former school because apparently my "smile was full of energy." Though it took an explanation for me to realize what they were calling me because the pronunciation was different.   :laugh: 

Love the pokemon analogy.  I am fonder of cabbage's evolved forms than of cabbage itself.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7885 on: May 02, 2018, 03:39:23 pm »
You know another word Americans pronounce better different?

"vitamin"

Only the difference is a bit more obvious.

I had no idea broccoli derived from cabbage.  (Along with misc other veggies.)

Fun fact, it's like real-life pokemon. Cabbage is basically magikarp. No one really knows what it's good for, BUT THEN

Fun fact, that was my nickname at my former school because apparently my "smile was full of energy." Though it took an explanation for me to realize what they were calling me because the pronunciation was different.   :laugh: 

Love the pokemon analogy.  I am fonder of cabbage's evolved forms than of cabbage itself.

They called you Magikarp?  A little insensitive tbh.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7886 on: May 02, 2018, 03:41:48 pm »
Talking of built up resentment though...I do hate it when I have a school/teacher force the American pronunciations on me (I haven't had this for years thankfully but I know many British teachers do) and the students. I understand that is the language used here, however I don't feel that the kids should be told that the American way is the only *correct* way.
 If it is, why do they hire from different countries?   >:(
I think it's important to let them know there are many ways and I try my best to show them both American / British sounds where i can.


Or when they force a singular pronunciation in general (because even in the states there are varying pronunciations depending on which region you're from).  On the one hand, I get that that particular teacher was probably aiming for consistency, but for example, I pronounce "a" two different ways interchangeably and I see nothing wrong with letting the kids know either way is fine.  She even demanded I pronounce "aunt" like "ant" when I prefer the other variant. 

While I think I understand where she was coming from, I disliked that she was reinforcing the idea that there is only "one correct way." She did this in other ways too and I could see new students changing from eager to spit out any English they knew to being worried about spitting out the "wrong" answer. 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7887 on: May 02, 2018, 03:43:11 pm »
You know another word Americans pronounce better different?

"vitamin"

Only the difference is a bit more obvious.

I had no idea broccoli derived from cabbage.  (Along with misc other veggies.)

Fun fact, it's like real-life pokemon. Cabbage is basically magikarp. No one really knows what it's good for, BUT THEN

Fun fact, that was my nickname at my former school because apparently my "smile was full of energy." Though it took an explanation for me to realize what they were calling me because the pronunciation was different.   :laugh: 

Love the pokemon analogy.  I am fonder of cabbage's evolved forms than of cabbage itself.

They called you Magikarp?  A little insensitive tbh.

Lol, the bold.  You trawling?   :laugh:
Also, I would hesitate to describe a magikarp's "smile" as being "full of energy"  :undecided:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7888 on: May 02, 2018, 03:54:15 pm »
Picking on other people for having an accent is really low.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7889 on: May 02, 2018, 03:57:27 pm »
Wait, how do you pronunciation snobs pronounce it? I don't think I've ever heard a non-American say it out loud, so I didn't know there was a difference.

Was just thinking this.

Like... trawling?
  :laugh:

God no...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/troll?q=trolling

The difference in pronunciation in those examples is honestly subtle enough that I probably wouldn't have even registered it as different if I heard it in casual conversation. Is the difference in real life more pronounced than in those recordings? They certainly don't sound drastic enough that I'd liken it to nails on a chalkboard or think it "does my head in," but I guess everyone has to be passionate about something.

Calm down Mr. Tim, it was clearly meant in jest. (From my side, don't know about Avec)

I also didn't say this pronunciation specifically,

Just that sometimes the American pronunciation of a words feels like nails on a chalkboard. One specific  example would be "Schedule".

I just prefer British pronunciation, it isn't a personal attack on you or your country.  ;D



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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7890 on: May 02, 2018, 04:04:59 pm »
Additions:

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signatures that take up half the page
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posters that don't even live in Korea posting on here everyday jog on and join your local community centre instead

Im flattered by your projection. I guess I should be happy I have an Internet Tough Guy fan.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7891 on: May 02, 2018, 04:15:33 pm »
Wait, how do you pronunciation snobs pronounce it? I don't think I've ever heard a non-American say it out loud, so I didn't know there was a difference.

Was just thinking this.

Like... trawling?
  :laugh:

God no...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/troll?q=trolling

The difference in pronunciation in those examples is honestly subtle enough that I probably wouldn't have even registered it as different if I heard it in casual conversation. Is the difference in real life more pronounced than in those recordings? They certainly don't sound drastic enough that I'd liken it to nails on a chalkboard or think it "does my head in," but I guess everyone has to be passionate about something.

Calm down Mr. Tim, it was clearly meant in jest. (From my side, don't know about Avec)

I also didn't say this pronunciation specifically,

Just that sometimes the American pronunciation of a words feels like nails on a chalkboard. One specific  example would be "Schedule".

I just prefer British pronunciation, it isn't a personal attack on you or your country.  ;D



Do we still have any aircraft carriers? I'm surprised.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7892 on: May 02, 2018, 04:42:03 pm »

In America, even the aircraft carriers are fat.  :wink:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7893 on: May 02, 2018, 05:01:22 pm »
What to Brits say about your eating habits? I've never heard that one. 

In America, even the aircraft carriers are fat.  :wink:

 :blank:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7894 on: May 02, 2018, 05:05:40 pm »
What to Brits say about your eating habits? I've never heard that one. 

In America, even the aircraft carriers are fat.  :wink:

 :blank:

MR.DEMARTINO STARTED IT!!!! >:(


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7895 on: May 03, 2018, 07:40:50 am »
Fun fact, that was my nickname at my former school because apparently my "smile was full of energy." Though it took an explanation for me to realize what they were calling me because the pronunciation was different.   :laugh: 

Love the pokemon analogy.  I am fonder of cabbage's evolved forms than of cabbage itself.

I like it, you can catch everyone off-guard and rip them apart with your smile energy.



And same, I actually really hate cabbage. Like, I know it's actually good for you, but you can't make me eat it. I love broccoli and cauliflower, though, so I think that's a fair compromise.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7896 on: May 03, 2018, 07:46:35 am »
Love the pokemon analogy.  I am fonder of cabbage's evolved forms than of cabbage itself.

And same, I actually really hate cabbage. Like, I know it's actually good for you, but you can't make me eat it. I love broccoli and cauliflower, though, so I think that's a fair compromise.

We can content ourselves eating the children of cabbage :)


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7897 on: May 03, 2018, 09:37:52 am »
Bloody trolls. Sick of them.

Yeah, they should go back to harrassing people who are trying to walk across bridges, and go back to living under said bridges too!
I'm joking. This is 2018, and discriminating against another race isn't politically correct now.

But on a serious note, I hate fighting against trolls as they often have a crazy high HP regeneration stat!


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7898 on: May 03, 2018, 09:47:54 am »
Wait, how do you pronunciation snobs pronounce it? I don't think I've ever heard a non-American say it out loud, so I didn't know there was a difference.

Was just thinking this.

Like... trawling?
  :laugh:

God no...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/troll?q=trolling

The difference in pronunciation in those examples is honestly subtle enough that I probably wouldn't have even registered it as different if I heard it in casual conversation. Is the difference in real life more pronounced than in those recordings? They certainly don't sound drastic enough that I'd liken it to nails on a chalkboard or think it "does my head in," but I guess everyone has to be passionate about something.

Calm down Mr. Tim, it was clearly meant in jest. (From my side, don't know about Avec)

I also didn't say this pronunciation specifically,

Just that sometimes the American pronunciation of a words feels like nails on a chalkboard. One specific  example would be "Schedule".

I just prefer British pronunciation, it isn't a personal attack on you or your country.  ;D

Sorry. It's become one of my pet peeves over the years, I suppose, so I probably read too much in to it sometimes. Condescension from Brits, that is. Whether it's about American English, still using the Imperial measuring system, or our... uh... eating habits, I've just grown tired of people looking down their noses at us. Tired enough that even when it's done in jest, I let it get to me, apparently.

I actually used to really want to visit the UK again (I lived in Scotland when I was very young, my earliest memories are there), but then the internet came along and exposed me to all the things they think and have to say about us, and I'm just about cured of that desire.  :laugh:

It could be that they were trying to be funny. We can be awkward to resort to "banter" which sometimes comes across a lot worse than we intend.

I don't think many Brits truly care about pronunciation differences or word differences, apart from a few... :laugh:
You're one of the biggest countries in the world and so you're a pretty easy target.   ;D

What to Brits say about your eating habits? I've never heard that one. 

Talking of built up resentment though...I do hate it when I have a school/teacher force the American pronunciations on me (I haven't had this for years thankfully but I know many British teachers do) and the students. I understand that is the language used here, however I don't feel that the kids should be told that the American way is the only *correct* way.
 If it is, why do they hire from different countries?   >:(
I think it's important to let them know there are many ways and I try my best to show them both American / British sounds where i can.

In my 1st year in Korea, my co-teacher from my 2nd travel school, apparently fought really hard to get me to teach at her school instead of another school, and she wanted me to teach there BECAUSE I'm not American, and don't speak in an American way. She said, it would be better for the students, to get used to different English accents.

Since I grew up with the British-English system, I tend to use it in my classes too. My students will often say: Teacher, you spelt 'blahblahblah' wrong. That's when I usually write the 2 words on the board, and show NZ/Aus/UK vs USA.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7899 on: May 03, 2018, 10:02:51 am »
i've heard anecdotes from various adult student i've taught, who say they grow up learning nothing but american english in korea. however, when they go abroad for work, business meetings, conferences, etc, they don't understand what other people are saying to them, as they usually end up going to other asian countries, talking to people from singapore, HK, india, (even australia, the UK) etc