RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Chinguetti, these things always seem to happen to you and other 'outspoken' women with feminist views. Are you sure the boys are actually doing it intentionally, as opposed to being typical clumsy teenagers?

I’m a man, but I tend to think that the outspoken ones are the ones who, you know, speak out.

Imagine literally defending high school students who harass women with a 'boys will be boys, they'll grow out of it' response.

Sophistry. I said people generally get better behaved the older they get. Hardly an incendiary comment. Look at the percentage of the prison population over forty. I never dismissed or defended the action or said anything like 'boys will be boys.'

You seem to have some pathological need to try to attempt to argue with literally everybody. Especially about anything related to women, people of colour, or Koreans. Even when you're taking a completely untenable position, you appear to always defend the aggressor, or downplay the fact that their actions are literally wrong.

Yes it must be a shock when you find out people out in the big bad world sometimes have a different point of view to yours.



 

Chinguetti, these things always seem to happen to you and other 'outspoken' women with feminist views. Are you sure the boys are actually doing it intentionally, as opposed to being typical clumsy teenagers?

While I believe 3rd wave feminists exist solely for comedic effect, that's a pretty stupid thing to say. I can't recall a single occasion, as a teenage boy, where I was so clumsy that I managed to fall into someone's boobs with my junk or accidentally mention that I'm a virgin in the hopes of getting lucky with a teacher.

Typical? What kind of teenagers are you used to?

Yes it must be a shock when you find out people out in the big bad world sometimes have a different point of view to yours.

Says the guy who trolls others for enjoying pop music..

False equivalency, and obnoxious as shit. Quit trying to excuse predatory behavior from people old enough to know better.

Aha so that's your beef. Thinking and hoping teenagers will grow out of bad habits is the same as excusing it. 

It's one thing to say you hope they'll still turn into good people, but that's not what you were doing, so you can stop right there.

My beef is with you trying to strawman away a serious issue by using ill-informed comparisons and an uneducated/unsupported claim. It's right up there with antivaxxer logic. And now you're trying to deflect and project onto me because I called you out on it.

What I was describing isn't just a bad habit. Stop pretending that it is. The fact that you keep trying to call it a bad habit that teenagers can just "grow out of" is basically trying to excuse it, thereby implying it's a normal part of growing up.

It's not. Fact. Established with history and research. Tons of it. Anything outside of that is the exception, not the norm. Criminal law is partially based on it. So are rehabilitative programs.

When teenagers are exhibiting this kind of behavior, it is near impossible to prevent it from following them into adulthood. Not completely impossible. But it involves a massive amount of intervention and a lot of reinforcement to derail it because they're NOT doing it out of some kind of lack of maturity. There's a lot that led up to it to begin with, which turned into a dysfunction in their personalities. But intervention also normally starts out with family, and what can you do when family is a part of or the root of the problem? Say like a father who says and does the same damn shit. At that point other organizations with the legal authority to trump family has to get involved, but that normally only happens if the child does something severe enough to get detected. As it is, most teenagers with this type of problem are aware enough of what they're doing to hide enough of what they're doing to avoid that sort of thing. Especially in places like Korea.

No amount of wishful thinking will change that. In fact, it just gets in the way. It's one thing to say you hope it'll turn out better. It's another to try to shut down people who say that it most likely won't because facts. Doing the latter only enables and worsens the problem. I saw it in court, I saw it in social services. It's a recurring theme for people guided by selfish interests to try to excuse this kind of problem and pretend it isn't a problem at all.

Are you really unable to distinguish having different points of view that another person or people, as opposed to always, and at every opportunity, arguing with people - at length - whenever there's a chance? Especially whenever the topic involves women, Korea, or immigration / people of colour?

Seriously - you get so worked up whenever someone says maybe a man or a white person was in the wrong.

It's weird.

Yawn, the old why are you getting so worked up, angry triggered? Response. I argue with people on here for the same reason everyone else does.  Bored at work.

A little know fact is that no one has ever got mad or angry on the internet.

I can back up the Viewpoint that it follows people into adulthood, if you don't put a stop to it. My boyfriend has a younger brother, and one of the kids that he hangs out with has had that attitude for a while. He's 18 now and is more aggressive with it than ever. Nobody bothered to put a stop to it because that was just how he was, it was always "oh ignore him, it's just how he is kek."

my boyfriend/myself have tried to put our foot down whenever he does it around us, but everyone else just turns a blind eye to his behavior. It's definitely not a normal thing among high schoolers, it's just becoming more prevalent because of people turning around and ignoring it.

When he was 15, it was just "haha teenage hormones, boys will be boys!" Now that he's an adult it's no longer funny and quirky, it's an issue. If these kids aren't given a quick hit where it hurts the most, they're going to keep doing it and become even more aggressive.

Chinguetti, these things always seem to happen to you and other 'outspoken' women with feminist views. Are you sure the boys are actually doing it intentionally, as opposed to being typical clumsy teenagers?

While I believe 3rd wave feminists exist solely for comedic effect, that's a pretty stupid thing to say. I can't recall a single occasion, as a teenage boy, where I was so clumsy that I managed to fall into someone's boobs with my junk or accidentally mention that I'm a virgin in the hopes of getting lucky with a teacher.

Typical? What kind of teenagers are you used to?

I suspect that Chinguetti is exaggerating or imagining things that are not happening. It seems much more likely than a large number of students intentionally trying to rub against their teacher. For example, she might interpret a boy brushing his upper leg against her arm while squeezing through a gap in tables as an attempt at rubbing against her chest. She interprets innocent mistakes as an attempt at sexual harassment. I'm not saying she is definitely doing that, but it honestly seems the most likely explanation to me.

I think a lot of boys grow out of some of their hormonal excesses. I think a lot are in danger of carrying this behavior into adulthood.

I don't think their behavior is normal. Back home, in my high school we could get pretty obnoxious and people would make some fairly lewd comments to the teachers, but nothing that got physical or veered into threatening harassment.

Now in the halls among students...

Chinguetti, these things always seem to happen to you and other 'outspoken' women with feminist views. Are you sure the boys are actually doing it intentionally, as opposed to being typical clumsy teenagers?

While I believe 3rd wave feminists exist solely for comedic effect, that's a pretty stupid thing to say. I can't recall a single occasion, as a teenage boy, where I was so clumsy that I managed to fall into someone's boobs with my junk or accidentally mention that I'm a virgin in the hopes of getting lucky with a teacher.

Typical? What kind of teenagers are you used to?

StillinKorea is basically an LBH who knows he's full of shit, so he tries to hide a lot of the holes in his argument as "trolling". If and when he realizes that an argument is getting out of his control, he'll default to that as well.
It pretty much just degenerates into personal attacks and LOL JK Y U SO SENSITVE so that he can try to reestablish control by upsetting the other person instead.

I'd swear he was a guy named Neil. This is kind of his MO.

Real trolls aren't as specific about the subjects that they choose, and their patterns go from point A to point B, not from point C to point Z. He's just made of fail, so it's pointless to engage.

I hate how anyone who says anything that the OP doesn't like is a troll.

What happened to this world?

Why is everyone a troll all of a sudden?

Why is cracking a joke or disagreeing with someone's opinion trolling?

Add in the fact that the way Americans pronounce troll/trolling it really does my ****** head in.

*no I'm not trolling. 

While I'm here, here are some more words or expressions that tilt me:

Life hacks
#waygook.org user (name) ....
salty
I can't even
Could care less
*Not quoting the author's name in posts 457 pages long. (eggiebread)

I can back up the Viewpoint that it follows people into adulthood, if you don't put a stop to it.

Yeah, I assumed that was kind of a given. People get more responsible and better behaved the older they get because people tell them to stop behaving badly. If that doesn't work they usually end up falling foul of the law too.

That moment when some Korean ajoshi dude is standing in the middle of the f*cking doorway. I'm about to go wakanda on dat ass in dem baggy sh*tfaced SPAO slacks. 

What I was describing isn't just a bad habit. Stop pretending that it is. The fact that you keep trying to call it a bad habit that teenagers can just "grow out of" is basically trying to excuse it, thereby implying it's a normal part of growing up.

No, that's just your interpretation of what I said as you've Obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this topic. Bad habits can also be criminal behaviour and saying someone will probably grow out of them is in no way condoning them. A lot of teenagers go through phases of petty theft and taking drugs and stop when they get older.

While I'm here, here are some more words or expressions that tilt me:

Life hacks
#waygook.org user (name) ....
salty
I can't even
Could care less
*Not quoting the author's name in posts 457 pages long. (eggiebread)

I'd like to add anything that begins with *sigh*.

The inability to harness the power of apostrophe conservation.

I hate how anyone who says anything that the OP doesn't like is a troll.

What happened to this world?

Why is everyone a troll all of a sudden?

Why is cracking a joke or disagreeing with someone's opinion trolling?

Add in the fact that the way Americans pronounce troll/trolling it really does my ****** head in.

*no I'm not trolling. 

Well, not sure if I was the target here, but just in case, I want to establish that I wasn't actually calling anyone a troll. I was preemptively trying to prevent a certain someone from claiming he was trolling so that he can't try to hide behind it later once his fail becomes a little too much for him to hide. He's done it before, he'll do it again, and I can see the groundwork getting established for it now, so I'm stopping him while he's in the middle of his gaslighting attempt.

As for calling people trolls when they're not actually trolls, it's because people associate trolls with discord. So anytime anyone says anything that causes discord, something that someone else would consider upsetting, they might call it trolling, right or wrong. Depending on how ridiculous or extreme that person's stand is, and this being the internet, that could be legit, especially if they use very questionable logic and methods to support that stand for what appears to be attempt to upset someone(s). The more apparent that attempt is, the more likely it is that they're trolling.

But you're right, sometimes idiots are just idiots, and sometimes unpopular opinions are just unpopular opinions. Not every person who disagrees with you is a troll. But trolls are also everywhere on the internet, and you can blame them for the confusion.

Bloody trolls. Sick of them.