Quote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply.
Quote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH
i got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28
Quote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. But I get that the instances of coddling can be tiresome. Apparently I reminded all of the older teachers of their own kid/s so they sometimes extended the coddling to me... They meant well and I appreciated it but occasionally I wanted to be like I'M AN ADULT and I have lived on my own before! "Do you lock your door? You should lock your door at night." "Yes. I'm from America." This one is really just... Korean. *mild mist* "Where is your umbrella?! I have one you can borrow!" (like a chorus) This one was just funny: one time I had a few cheon won in my pocket for bus fare-- my principal saw this and started miming like he was gonna pick my pocket. He didn't speak much English, but wanted to warn me about thieves... literally was going directly to the bus after getting off the ferry. Ah yes, the dangers of the mainland
Quote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. LMAO
Quote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues.
Quote from: yirj17 on April 25, 2018, 07:54:37 pmYea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. i have heard this, but i do not understand itif i get hit by a truck, i could potentially sue the school because it happened in 'school time'? is that it?
Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues.
Quote from: oglop on April 26, 2018, 09:29:59 amQuote from: yirj17 on April 25, 2018, 07:54:37 pmYea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. i have heard this, but i do not understand itif i get hit by a truck, i could potentially sue the school because it happened in 'school time'? is that it?Not sure about lawsuit, but the school WOULD be at least partially if not fully responsible for your medical expenses if you get hurt during school time, and they could potentially get in trouble with the education office if somehow there who cares finds out about the NET leaving the campus during school hours. At least that's how it was explained to me. Many schools will still trust NETs to take care of themselves on short stints off campus, but a lot of schools also feel the pressure to follow protocol and stick closely to the book.
Quote from: yirj17 on April 25, 2018, 07:54:37 pmQuote from: kyndo on April 25, 2018, 07:09:58 pmQuote from: CO2 on April 25, 2018, 05:55:40 pmQuote from: oglop on April 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pmi got told off for getting an iced coffee once when i worked at public schoolteacher: where did you go?me: to get a coffeeteacher: you should not leave the school without asking first. what if something happened to you? me: i'm 28Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh, I hate that. I moved out at 18 and payed for my own uni. I moved to two different cities in Ontario (after uni) and started over both times. I managed to COME TO AN ASIAN COUNTRY TO LIVE AND WORK BY MYSELF. Granted, when we arrive here we have an apartment set up, but things like this drive me nuts. I walked down the street 10 mins and made a left.............. to the Ediya I've been to 60 times. Yes, I'm okay. Yes, I know where it is. Yes, I can walk for 10 mins two times. UGHHHHHHH I really don't want to rain on this uplifting parade of assertiveness, independence, confidence, and self-sufficiency, but I think maybe what the coworker was worried about isn't so much that you would fall over into a puddle and drown or something, but that it's against school policy to leave the work place during school hours without the permission of the admin. Althogu 28 *is* a magical number, so maybe those rules don't apply. Yea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. i have heard this, but i do not understand itif i get hit by a truck, i could potentially sue the school because it happened in 'school time'? is that it?
See that's weird. I was told that if anything that happens to me/students/any injuries that happen in my classroom are on me. If a student for some reason decided to stab themselves in my classroom with scissors, I'm liable for it. If I were to slip and fall or trip over a backpack and break my leg, it's my classroom and therefore my liability.
Quote from: StillInKorea on April 25, 2018, 02:40:46 pmQuote from: Pennypie on April 25, 2018, 02:21:58 pmQuote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want.My way of doing things works for me and ultimately people seem to like me enough to want to keep me around. Whenever I've transferred away from a school, people have been pretty upset, or at the very least concerned about whether the next person will perform as well in the classroom.I am nice and friendly to people in general, but I will not take any kind of crap. When I do feel slighted, I'm enough of an asshole that people try very hard to avoid upsetting me again. They much prefer the nice and friendly StillInKorea to the asshole StillInKorea.As for being rude to the lunch ladies, I didn't say anything to them other than thanks when they passed me my food. At that point I hadn't realised, and I wasn't going to go back and start a fight. The 5th grade teacher took it upon himself to inform them of the situation because he saw that I was pissed and he's a decent dude.I have zero interest in people "seeing how lovely and polite" I am. That is not how you act in a Korean workplace. People like me enough, continue to employ me, and I get a lot less crap than the nice and polite teachers in Korea. My way works just fine.So, genuinely curious, does intent matter?If someone "slights" you and they didn't intend it, do you still get upset? Is is still them giving you crap and you have to stand up for yourself? The thing is I do agree with what you're saying. Sometimes we are treated like children and it's really annoying, but the way you describe it sounds like you're being an aggressive dick to people who have the gall to do what they think is kind.
Quote from: Pennypie on April 25, 2018, 02:21:58 pmQuote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want.My way of doing things works for me and ultimately people seem to like me enough to want to keep me around. Whenever I've transferred away from a school, people have been pretty upset, or at the very least concerned about whether the next person will perform as well in the classroom.I am nice and friendly to people in general, but I will not take any kind of crap. When I do feel slighted, I'm enough of an asshole that people try very hard to avoid upsetting me again. They much prefer the nice and friendly StillInKorea to the asshole StillInKorea.As for being rude to the lunch ladies, I didn't say anything to them other than thanks when they passed me my food. At that point I hadn't realised, and I wasn't going to go back and start a fight. The 5th grade teacher took it upon himself to inform them of the situation because he saw that I was pissed and he's a decent dude.I have zero interest in people "seeing how lovely and polite" I am. That is not how you act in a Korean workplace. People like me enough, continue to employ me, and I get a lot less crap than the nice and polite teachers in Korea. My way works just fine.
Quote from: Bingsu on April 25, 2018, 02:00:57 pmHe's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.Sorry but you're wrong and this advice may work for awhile but its not going to help in the long run. The reason your co teacher walks all over is because she's a bad person. Your school isn't great either. Your situation and StillinKoreas aren't the same. You're right to stand up for yourself in your situation but for most people being rude to old dinner ladies who've given you mixed bibimbap instead of unmixed is not standing up for your rights...it's being rude. Do you really agree this is something to fight for your rights over?When there are issues with contracts absolutely fight. When its something small, why be confrontational. You know what the right thing to do in this situation - Go to the dinner ladies yourself and say the lunch was delicious, you've lived in Korea a long time so next time you can mix it yourself but you know it came from a nice place. They'll be happy. You'll be happy. The school will see how lovely and polite you are. The lunch ladies wont give you unmixed bibimbap again. Everyone gets what they want.
He's right you know. Since I made the choice to actively put my foot down about everything, even the small stuff, the kids don't run over me nearly as much.They did today though, running in here like a storm and shoving my bookshelves around, throwing food, screaming at the top of their lungs...Instead of letting it go I just calmly brought up Google translate and told them how disrespectful they were being and if I was a Korean teacher they'd never think to do it. If this were a Korean classroom, they wouldn't dare. I told them I was tired of it and I wanted respect like any other teacher and if they couldn't do that then they need to leave.They "apologized" but stuck around until I made them leave, so tomorrow they will mysteriously find the English room locked until it's time for class to start. No more lounging around after lunch, f*cking with the English teacher.It might seem petty to stand up for every little thing, you're supposed to pick your battles wisely and all that jazz, but any hint of being a pushover or being a little too nice and they'll sink their teeth into you before you can blink.
Quote from: Chinguetti on April 26, 2018, 09:35:56 amQuote from: oglop on April 26, 2018, 09:29:59 amQuote from: yirj17 on April 25, 2018, 07:54:37 pmYea, pretty sure that's about insurance and liability issues. i have heard this, but i do not understand itif i get hit by a truck, i could potentially sue the school because it happened in 'school time'? is that it?Not sure about lawsuit, but the school WOULD be at least partially if not fully responsible for your medical expenses if you get hurt during school time, and they could potentially get in trouble with the education office if somehow there who cares finds out about the NET leaving the campus during school hours. At least that's how it was explained to me. Many schools will still trust NETs to take care of themselves on short stints off campus, but a lot of schools also feel the pressure to follow protocol and stick closely to the book.See that's weird. I was told that if anything that happens to me/students/any injuries that happen in my classroom are on me. If a student for some reason decided to stab themselves in my classroom with scissors, I'm liable for it. If I were to slip and fall or trip over a backpack and break my leg, it's my classroom and therefore my liability.
Quote from: Bingsu on April 26, 2018, 09:38:40 amSee that's weird. I was told that if anything that happens to me/students/any injuries that happen in my classroom are on me. If a student for some reason decided to stab themselves in my classroom with scissors, I'm liable for it. If I were to slip and fall or trip over a backpack and break my leg, it's my classroom and therefore my liability.Yes and no. Depends on what led up to it and other conditions and circumstances. In most cases you can't and won't be held responsible for a student getting hurt in your classroom (won't stop some people from trying to toss you under the bus, though), but the school will get in trouble if it's learned that a coteacher was not present with you in the room when it happened. Big time trouble. Keep that in mind. As for you getting hurt in your classroom, 100% on the school. Was it your MT that told you all this?
There will be a Korean teacher officially assigned to 'your' class. She is liable for anything that happens and technically she should be in the room with you. She'll no doubt be shopping on her computer, or drinking instant coffee with extremely sweet bread while gossiping about someone with another Korean teacher, but officially she's in the classroom. She'd probably try to pin the blame on you if something happened, but she is responsible.
I think that only applies to classes that are part of the textbook curriculum, whereas "after school" classes are different. I used to teach after school classes alone, and I grumbled about it at one of our mandatory monthly POE meetings, and the coordinator told us that schools don't actually have to provide a CoT for those classes.If I remember correctly, Bingsu is a TALK teacher doing all or mostly after school classes. She might be SOL in the coteacher department, unless her school opts to provide her with on out of the kindness of their hearts.
Quote from: StillInKorea on April 26, 2018, 10:11:17 amThere will be a Korean teacher officially assigned to 'your' class. She is liable for anything that happens and technically she should be in the room with you. She'll no doubt be shopping on her computer, or drinking instant coffee with extremely sweet bread while gossiping about someone with another Korean teacher, but officially she's in the classroom. She'd probably try to pin the blame on you if something happened, but she is responsible.I think that only applies to classes that are part of the textbook curriculum, whereas "after school" classes are different. I used to teach after school classes alone, and I grumbled about it at one of our mandatory monthly POE meetings, and the coordinator told us that schools don't actually have to provide a CoT for those classes.If I remember correctly, Bingsu is a TALK teacher doing all or mostly after school classes. She might be SOL in the coteacher department, unless her school opts to provide her with on out of the kindness of their hearts.
How does that play out for liability purposes, though? They can opt out, but I'm pretty sure the school could and would still be held responsible for anything that happens in the classroom, regardless of its claim, and should anything actually happen they'd still be facing a lot of scrutiny if a KT wasn't present. They might try to shimmy out of it by using some wayward logic or technicalities, but as far as I know it still falls on them because the classroom is still school property being used for school purposes, and most NETs operate under E2 visas.Anyone know otherwise?
Dave Stepz, I know. I've been to her native land a few times, and when my guy friend from London and woman from Liverpool over here use mate and love a certain way, I know what the inflection means. "Fancy a cuppa, love" versus pointing out someone's inexperience on a chat forum and adding " Also sorry love but isn't this your first year?" Come on, we know how that was intended to come across. Not saying it was vicious or she's a bad person, but condescending in the true sense of the word? absolutely. She meant to discredit the person's comment by alluding to their inexperience, not by contradicting their points. Textbook. No need to circle the wagons.