My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.
You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row. They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.
My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh, Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."
this is hilarious. demartino is obviously at school, deskwarming, bored out of his mind, which is why he's able to write entire essays about how we should be licking the salty ajeosshi balls of our amazing korean overlords for blessing us with the opportunity of teaching rude, spoiled, entitled kids that don't give a crap, with coteachers who actively try to sabotage us, at schools that actively try to make our lives as difficult as possible every step of the way.
Quote from: CJ on February 21, 2018, 01:57:12 pmMy co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill. Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?QuoteYou've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row. They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation. Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.QuoteMy take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh, Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad. Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days. Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift. So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.
I took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARD
Quote from: Chinguetti on February 22, 2018, 10:14:39 amI took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARDDo you mean you left the materials in the cab, or left them at home?
Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on February 21, 2018, 03:46:17 pmQuote from: CJ on February 21, 2018, 01:57:12 pmMy co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill. Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?QuoteYou've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row. They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation. Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.QuoteMy take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh, Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad. Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days. Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift. So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.What's the fascination with doing back breaking work? Are we labourers now? FYI, I took a year off from study to pick fruit, work in a factory and do all manner of hard shit to fund my travels abroad. Man, who do you think you're talking to here? Some brat who's never done a thing in his life? As usual, you're playing the devil's advocate. I won't be drawn into it. There is no justification for dragging someone from abroad back to Korea to desk warm for 4 days and then release the NET for another 10 days.
Quote from: denimdaze on February 22, 2018, 10:35:42 amQuote from: Chinguetti on February 22, 2018, 10:14:39 amI took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARDDo you mean you left the materials in the cab, or left them at home?Left at home.I stepped out, checked to make sure my door was locked, then was all like, "Okay, now to call a cab so that I can get my stuff to school." Did not occur to me that I wasn't holding anything.
Quote from: Chinguetti on February 22, 2018, 10:45:51 amLeft at home.I stepped out, checked to make sure my door was locked, then was all like, "Okay, now to call a cab so that I can get my stuff to school." Did not occur to me that I wasn't holding anything. I say, view it as a "treat yo-self" day treat. That way, it feels less frustrating and annoying.
Left at home.I stepped out, checked to make sure my door was locked, then was all like, "Okay, now to call a cab so that I can get my stuff to school." Did not occur to me that I wasn't holding anything.
Quote from: CJ on February 22, 2018, 08:56:17 amQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on February 21, 2018, 03:46:17 pmQuote from: CJ on February 21, 2018, 01:57:12 pmMy co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill. Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?QuoteYou've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row. They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation. Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.QuoteMy take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh, Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad. Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days. Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift. So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.What's the fascination with doing back breaking work? Are we labourers now? FYI, I took a year off from study to pick fruit, work in a factory and do all manner of hard shit to fund my travels abroad. Man, who do you think you're talking to here? Some brat who's never done a thing in his life? As usual, you're playing the devil's advocate. I won't be drawn into it. There is no justification for dragging someone from abroad back to Korea to desk warm for 4 days and then release the NET for another 10 days.You're not the one in charge. You are only looking at things through your own SELFISH lens. Look at it from your bosses perspective- If he does this favor for you, then he has to do it for everyone. And if he goes lax on people in this xase, what about other cases? What if something happens to you? He will have to pay as well. Are you going to make things right for him if something happens? The boss has dozens of staff with varying egos, personalities, and demands. He has to balance those.Bottom line: Stop looking at this through your own selfish perspective.YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT. STOP BEING MAD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE APPRECIATED, NOT EXPECTED.
Nice try. I won't be drawn in. It's bullshit to any sane person. Other schools allow the full 24 days off, that is, the school's with sane VPs.
Quote from: CJ on February 22, 2018, 02:48:56 pmNice try. I won't be drawn in. It's bullshit to any sane person. Other schools allow the full 24 days off, that is, the school's with sane VPs.Those VPs are willing to assume the risk and might have different relationships with you and different histories with previous teachers and different factors to consider.You aren't even aware of the factors that went into this decision, yet you're judging your VP for the decision they made. Again, STOP BEING SELFISH.
Quote from: oglop on February 22, 2018, 03:05:36 pmyeah, it amazes me how much power principals have in korea. there seems to be no office of standards dept (or whatever it's called), and they can literally do anything they want without repercussion.In December 2014, I got married in Korea. My family wanted to have a celebration around Christmas time back in England. My school said it was ok to take the honeymoon and have an extra week off at the end of December, and to enjoy myself with my family. My wife's principal said 'No!' as he said she has to take it the week after the wedding, with no exception. No amount of conversation from senior teachers at that school made him budge. So we had to cancel any form of celebration because of him. What made things worse were that two other female teachers asked for a similar thing moving their honeymoon which he was fine with. A coont of the highest order.
yeah, it amazes me how much power principals have in korea. there seems to be no office of standards dept (or whatever it's called), and they can literally do anything they want without repercussion.
No. The decision was made as a result of looking at the calendar. Four days of classes, so you have to come back and desk warm. Idiotic. Stupid. Again, STOP BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!!!
Quote from: CJ on February 23, 2018, 07:55:36 amNo. The decision was made as a result of looking at the calendar. Four days of classes, so you have to come back and desk warm. Idiotic. Stupid. Again, STOP BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!!!Where's the common sense in the VP taking on risk to help you out when you could fly the coop and owe him nothing?Only an idiot would do that without some kind of personal connection or establishment of trust.
Flying the coop with 8 weeks left on a public school contract in which I will be owed upwards of 10 million Won...... righhhht! I don't think I even register on the VP's radar. I'm 99% certain the decision was made by the head English teacher after looking at the school's calendar. Stop with the insurance angle; as mentioned, other teachers have had the full 24 days off.