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  • AvecPommesFrites
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 04, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
    • Incheon International Airport Immigration Office Detention Facility
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7200 on: November 30, 2017, 12:29:42 pm »


I guess it's much like going through a recruiter when looking for a new job.  Those with lots of travel experience you would never expect to do so, no?

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  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7989

    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7201 on: November 30, 2017, 12:40:03 pm »
You know what's ruder than blowing your nose? Sniffling every 12 seconds accompanied with the obligatory pig sound.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7202 on: November 30, 2017, 12:44:22 pm »
lol, CO2, is all the stuff about how "rude" you are coming from just one person, or several?


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7989

    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7203 on: November 30, 2017, 12:47:18 pm »
lol, CO2, is all the stuff about how "rude" you are coming from just one person, or several?



Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7204 on: November 30, 2017, 01:06:06 pm »
Well then you should probably just shock everyone into silence by doing things so heinous and disgusting that they'd be too embarrassed to correct you on any of it.

I've got examples, but they're not fit for public posting. You've just got to use your imagination.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3767

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7205 on: November 30, 2017, 01:10:44 pm »
We use a travel agent, because it is cheaper and much more convenient.  Agents get the consolidated tickets at a better price than the Internet/online third party companies, so we typically save $40-60 per ticket, and they can book it as one itinerary (internet would require separate itineraries, which is a major pain when it comes to what "baggage allowance" policy you will be covered under).

When you purchase online, you are NOT able to know the ticketing class you are being booked in, whether it is up-gradable, etc.  More importantly, these are NOT simple RT tickets, but multi-destination/multi-lag tickets (not skip-lag, but same premise).

These things are important, as I have attained top-tier membership (lifetime) status.  When I fly on a date where the economy is overbooked, I get bumped to business or first class, so long as my ticket is booked in one of the "proper" ticketing classes.

If booked online with a "discount" ticket (a booking class that they won't bump you), I'd be SOL.

Not sure about the rest of you, but I quite enjoy being able to fly business and first class when paying for an economy ticket.

With our agent, I have been bumped on more than 50% of my flight in the past 4-5 years :) (such a high-rate, isn't just luck).

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/thrillist/10-reasons-travel-agents_b_5591994.html

« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 02:43:36 pm by Pecan »


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3767

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7206 on: November 30, 2017, 03:03:10 pm »
For those booking a straight forward routing, why not simply use the airline you are flying?

Booking online through some third party agency isn't going to be cheaper, so I don't get that...

Enlighten me ;)

(the silence is deafening)


  • Mister Tim
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 08, 2013, 10:33:54 am
    • SK
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7207 on: November 30, 2017, 03:12:01 pm »
For those booking a straight forward routing, why not simply use the airline you are flying?

Booking online through some third party agency isn't going to be cheaper, so I don't get that...

Enlighten me ;)

(the silence is deafening)

Isn't that how some of the online booking sites work anyway? You plug in your times/destination, they give you a list of options, but then once you choose it you're directed to the airline's site?

I suppose they might not all be like that, but that's what has happened the last two times I used Orbitz to look for flights. I looked up the info, then was sent to the American Airlines sight for all the booking. Maybe it depends on the airline, too?


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3767

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7208 on: November 30, 2017, 03:14:26 pm »
I fly Asiana, so how would a site like Orbitz help me?

I still don't get it.

What am I missing?
« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 03:16:53 pm by Pecan »


  • Mister Tim
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1807

    • September 08, 2013, 10:33:54 am
    • SK
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7209 on: November 30, 2017, 03:16:56 pm »
I fly Asiana, so how would a site like Orbitz help me?

I don't still don't get it.

What am I missing?

Asiana is one of the airlines that comes up in flight searches when I use Orbitz. Is that not the case when you've tried?



  • Mister Tim
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 08, 2013, 10:33:54 am
    • SK
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7210 on: November 30, 2017, 03:18:45 pm »
I'll add that if you ONLY use one airline ever, then sure, a sight that compares prices on available flights won't be of any help to you, obviously.

For people looking for the best deal, it's a handy thing.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3767

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7211 on: November 30, 2017, 03:21:42 pm »
I'll add that if you ONLY use one airline ever, then sure, a sight that compares prices on available flights won't be of any help to you, obviously.
Exactly, plus all the things I mentioned in my initial response.


  • zola
  • The Legend

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    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7212 on: November 30, 2017, 03:23:42 pm »
For those booking a straight forward routing, why not simply use the airline you are flying?

Booking online through some third party agency isn't going to be cheaper, so I don't get that...

Enlighten me ;)

(the silence is deafening)

Because the third party often has cheaper prices.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on airline ticketing systems, but I have flown a lot.

I always shop around before buying a ticket. Sometimes the airline's listed price is exactly the same as third party websites. Other times the third party website (expedia, kayak, skyscanner etc) is considerably cheaper. Yes, often the tickets bought on these sites have certain restrictions, but for most people, price is the deciding factor.

I flew Air India a few years back to Hong Kong. I needed a Chinese visa too as I was going on into China from HK. So I thought I'd give a travel agent a try as they could deal with the visa too. He quoted me an absolutely outrageous ticket price. I showed him the Air India site and he babbled some reason why his was like over double that price. Later by myself I used skyscanner and found a ticket that was non-refunable that was 30% cheaper than the air india site.
Kpip! - Martin 2018


  • Mister Tim
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 08, 2013, 10:33:54 am
    • SK
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7213 on: November 30, 2017, 03:23:53 pm »
I'll add that if you ONLY use one airline ever, then sure, a sight that compares prices on available flights won't be of any help to you, obviously.
Exactly, plus all the things I mentioned in my initial response.

But I was initially responding to your question of why people doing straight booking would us a 3rd party site rather than going through an airline. Not everyone starts with an airline in mind. In your case, there'd be no point. For people who don't care and are just looking for the cheapest ticket, there is a point.


  • weirdgirlinkorea
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7214 on: November 30, 2017, 03:24:06 pm »
So...my school offered me renewal and a raise but then I found most of the school knows about my request for a raise  >:( and they don't like it...suddenly, people are less friendly than before and avoid talking to me, some are even downright rude when I greet them. Yeah, so after realizing that my communications with my boss about that and reference letters was being shared with many other people, I sent a formal letter of non-renewal...just to be very clear...since apparently everything I send gets shared with the vast majority of the staff here. Ridiculous. I on edge about not renewing without a job waiting in the wings, but unfortunately, at this time of year that is generally how it goes.  Got some leads, but for now...the anxiety is building.

I'm often surprised by the lack of business sense amongst co workers. We are at work to make money not be all happy families and keeping the boss happy by accepting the bare minimum. I've seen it many times with Koreans who stay for hours after work for half normal pay or even nothing and I say to them why don't you just go home? You aren't getting paid and you're being taken advantage of by your 'rich' employer. They say it's Korean culture and I say yeah but you don't have to be a sheep. Imagine bitching about travelinpants girl asking for a pay increase at a job where money is provided for services? Not even conceivable in the west.
I love that I have gone several contracts without a raise until I was just...done. Then they...as they always do, try this argument...
"But Chinese teacher and Japanese teacher teach more than you and get paid less."
Me(What I've always wanted to say but never have): And you're bragging about that? You don't feel even remotely bad about that and the fact that you are sharing that information with me to get me to back down? That's your strategy? Okay, then.
Also, our teaching hours are out of our control so stop bringing them up. How about leveling the playing field and hire another Japanese/Chinese teacher? No? Of course not. Then stop comparing us. It's not fair to them or me.
I really wish they would quit or stand up for themselves but that's never going to happen I think. Neither of them are reliant on a visa, so really they could leave whenever. Why don't they know their power?
Ignoranţa este adesea o boală fatal şi cretin nu poate fi vindecata.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3767

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7215 on: November 30, 2017, 03:30:32 pm »
I'll add that if you ONLY use one airline ever, then sure, a sight that compares prices on available flights won't be of any help to you, obviously.
Exactly, plus all the things I mentioned in my initial response.

But I was initially responding to your question of why people doing straight booking would us a 3rd party site rather than going through an airline. Not everyone starts with an airline in mind. In your case, there'd be no point. For people who don't care and are just looking for the cheapest ticket, there is a point.
When they use the third party site, are they able to know their ticketing class, like Q, Y, S, V etc. before they purchase?

Every ticketing class has a different fare price along with different restrictions regarding stopovers, mileage, etc.

I could buy a non-refundable, no date change permitted, 75% mileage ticket for dirt, but...


  • weirdgirlinkorea
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7216 on: November 30, 2017, 06:47:47 pm »
In regards to Koreans and agents and tour companies...
These companies hand hold Koreans. It's partly related to the level of service that Koreans expect and partly related to the the fact that many Koreans that use them (not all) are not comfortable using English. These companies write and plan EVERYTHING out for them in Korean.
I was standing in line at ICN to check in and this Hana Tours guide was meeting several clients at once, not one big group. He was there with their all documents in plastic pouches, which contained their itineraries, destination country information, detailed hotel information, etc. I watched at these people had everything explained to them down to every detail. I listened to them ask questions that would seem to be easy to find the answers to on their own, but they instead rely completely on the agency for everything. 
Ignoranţa este adesea o boală fatal şi cretin nu poate fi vindecata.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3767

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7217 on: December 01, 2017, 10:39:51 am »
Obviously, some don't have the foggiest idea of what they are talking about with regards to airline tickets.

My agent got back to me later, after I emailed my displeasure and was able to offer the lower price I was initially offered :)  so I would like to take back my rant.


  • zola
  • The Legend

    • 2917

    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7218 on: December 01, 2017, 10:55:49 am »
Obviously, some don't have the foggiest idea of what they are talking about with regards to airline tickets.

No, It's not that. They just don't care about the same things you do. You sound like my dad (also in his early 70s like you). Only use one airline, worries about airline codes etc. Most people here are a good 40-50 years younger than you and are more concerned with price.

Kpip! - Martin 2018


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7989

    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7219 on: December 01, 2017, 12:54:10 pm »
Can we not change things for the special presentation DRASTICALLY, EVERY DAY?

 :-* "The kids don't like it."

Well, F them. I never got a say in the plays we put on when I was 9 years old.