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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6640 on: September 08, 2017, 01:19:06 pm »
I wish my school would get whiteboards.

Thousands spent on ridiculous white floors, USB magnifying projectors (because they are useful for something) and touch screen overlays on the existing TVs, but they still wont change the main tool in the classroom.
Some of the boards are so bad that students can't see when something is written in white chalk.

GET.WHITEBOARDS.!!!!  :evil:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6641 on: September 08, 2017, 01:37:57 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6642 on: September 08, 2017, 01:41:33 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.


It wasn't me but i asked this on my POE page and got fully shot down. Even by people who actually do their own NEIS work.

It's too hard. Just leave it to them.

It's not our jobs etc.  >:( >:( >:( :evil: :evil:

So despite asking, I still don't know how to do it.

Well how the F did they learn?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6643 on: September 08, 2017, 01:44:26 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

The comment was likely from a handler who sees his/her control being eroded.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6644 on: September 08, 2017, 01:46:19 pm »
The comment was likely from a handler who sees his/her control being eroded.


It was a NET.   :lipsrsealed:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6645 on: September 08, 2017, 01:48:06 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.


It wasn't me but i asked this on my POE page and got fully shot down. Even by people who actually do their own NEIS work.

It's too hard. Just leave it to them.

It's not our jobs etc.  >:( >:( >:( :evil: :evil:

So despite asking, I still don't know how to do it.

Well how the F did they learn?

The interesting thing is, in our group there's already a tutorial for how to do it so apparently the person commenting was unaware or didn't care.  The OP apparently found it after searching though, maybe that's why comments were closed. 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6646 on: September 08, 2017, 01:51:31 pm »


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6647 on: September 08, 2017, 02:23:47 pm »
For a country that loves alcohol, people here sure don't know that much about it.

Someone tried to tell me that I shouldn't drink water while I'm drinking alcohol, or else it will make my hangover worse, and that alcohol is a great sleep-aid  :rolleyes: People who are dieting don't seem to care that alcohol has calories. People who go on about how they hate drugs and would never smoke a joint also don't seem to understand that alcohol is a drug that can be addictive, habit forming, and that alcohol negatively affects your body, short term and long term.

I mean, I like drinking! That's totally fine if people wish to partake, but how do the people I know who so spend much time/money on booze lack the basic knowledge of what it is...?

I had someone tell me that drinking water with booze will make you drunk faster.

................... ...........dilution , no? That's why we cut straight vodka with distilled water until it reaches 40% ABV. Same in your stomach.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6648 on: September 08, 2017, 02:45:16 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

i have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

but anyway, it's fine for me and you because we both understand a decent amount of korean. the problem is that if the NEIS work is passed off to the NET then it creates the expectation that all subsequent NETs at that school should be able to do it. imagine a person fresh off the boat who can't even read hangeul trying to fumble around the system. it would be disastrous. then when they ask for help there'll be sighs, and moans, and grumbles about how the new NET can't do anything, and how Yirj teacher could do her NEIS with no problems so why can't the new NET.

the actual NEIS training manual for the korean teachers is like the size of War and Peace or something ridiculous.

i think it's better that the korean teachers have the expectation that they are responsible for doing the NET's NEIS stuff, will cause less problems in general.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6649 on: September 08, 2017, 02:58:42 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

i have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

but anyway, it's fine for me and you because we both understand a decent amount of korean. the problem is that if the NEIS work is passed off to the NET then it creates the expectation that all subsequent NETs at that school should be able to do it. imagine a person fresh off the boat who can't even read hangeul trying to fumble around the system. it would be disastrous. then when they ask for help there'll be sighs, and moans, and grumbles about how the new NET can't do anything, and how Yirj teacher could do her NEIS with no problems so why can't the new NET.

the actual NEIS training manual for the korean teachers is like the size of War and Peace or something ridiculous.

i think it's better that the korean teachers have the expectation that they are responsible for doing the NET's NEIS stuff, will cause less problems in general.

Fair points.  For me though, especially in the beginning, I literally took photos of each step and just straight up memorized based on visuals.  Luckily my coT was nice and walked me through it and offered to double check until I got used to it.  I know there are people who got the short end of the stick and don't have helpful coTs.  So, it shouldn't be a big deal either way.  I think what irked me about that post was that it only offered one potential solution to the problem when there are clearly two distinct options. 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6650 on: September 08, 2017, 03:03:07 pm »
The problem is that if the NEIS work is passed off to the NET then it creates the expectation that all subsequent NETs at that school should be able to do it. imagine a person fresh off the boat who can't even read hangeul trying to fumble around the system. it would be disastrous. then when they ask for help there'll be sighs, and moans, and grumbles about how the new NET can't do anything, and how Yirj teacher could do her NEIS with no problems so why can't the new NET.

This is totally okay with me. My goal in life is to be the next Camden.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6651 on: September 08, 2017, 03:03:50 pm »
I have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

I think they're also supposed to run any time off request by a NET through the P or VP. The liaison teacher's level of annoyance at your request may depend on how pleasant the people in these positions are to converse with.  At the very least, it requires them to get out of their chair and walk down and up at least one flight of stairs. Plus, if they didn't let you know that it was a huge inconvenience, you would have no idea how hard they work.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6652 on: September 08, 2017, 03:07:00 pm »
I have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

I think they're also supposed to run any time off request by a NET through the P or VP. The liaison teacher's level of annoyance at your request may depend on how pleasant the people in these positions are to converse with.  At the very least, it requires them to get out of their chair and walk down and up at least one flight of stairs. Plus, if they didn't let you know that it was a huge inconvenience, you would have no idea how hard they work.

any request for time off by anyone period needs to be approved by the P and/or VP. but that approval is done via the NEIS system. you have to enter the authorization chain on NEIS. there's no need to leave your seat at all.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6653 on: September 08, 2017, 03:08:35 pm »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

I read that exact comment / thread on FB ;P
My co-teachers made me a cheatsheet on how to log my regular travel school visits, and it's not hard, but I still have no idea about vacation or sick days. I guess we'll cross that bridge when it comes. :P


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6654 on: September 08, 2017, 03:12:48 pm »
I have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

I think they're also supposed to run any time off request by a NET through the P or VP. The liaison teacher's level of annoyance at your request may depend on how pleasant the people in these positions are to converse with.  At the very least, it requires them to get out of their chair and walk down and up at least one flight of stairs. Plus, if they didn't let you know that it was a huge inconvenience, you would have no idea how hard they work.

any request for time off by anyone period needs to be approved by the P and/or VP. but that approval is done via the NEIS system. you have to enter the authorization chain on NEIS. there's no need to leave your seat at all.

Well....my second point still stands. >:(


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6655 on: September 08, 2017, 03:30:09 pm »
I read that exact comment / thread on FB ;P
My co-teachers made me a cheatsheet on how to log my regular travel school visits, and it's not hard, but I still have no idea about vacation or sick days. I guess we'll cross that bridge when it comes. :P

I was vaguely worried that the person who commented on that post would see me on here whinging about it  :laugh:

Requesting vacation time is easy, don't sweat it (at least in NEIS, depends on your VP or P as well I suppose  :P)!  I haven't used a sick day yet but I imagine it wouldn't be much different in terms of difficulty/ease. 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6656 on: September 08, 2017, 03:40:04 pm »
I read that exact comment / thread on FB ;P
My co-teachers made me a cheatsheet on how to log my regular travel school visits, and it's not hard, but I still have no idea about vacation or sick days. I guess we'll cross that bridge when it comes. :P

I was vaguely worried that the person who commented on that post would see me on here whinging about it  :laugh:

Requesting vacation time is easy, don't sweat it (at least in NEIS, depends on your VP or P as well I suppose  :P)!  I haven't used a sick day yet but I imagine it wouldn't be much different in terms of difficulty/ease.

Well, it wasn't me who posted it, and I can't be bothered posting on it haha.
Though, this is my 2nd year in Korea, and the first time I've had to use NEIS, it doesn't seem so hard though (maybe cause my co-teachers walked me through it and made me a pretty good cheatsheet).
Last year, I just texted my co-teacher if I was sick, or talked to him about vacation, and everything was always okay. This whole NEIS system is new to me. :p


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6657 on: September 11, 2017, 07:35:09 am »
...begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.
I think they're also supposed to run any time off request by a NET through the P or VP. The liaison teacher's level of annoyance at your request may depend on how pleasant the people in these positions are to converse with.  At the very least, it requires them to get out of their chair and walk down and up at least one flight of stairs. Plus, if they didn't let you know that it was a huge inconvenience, you would have no idea how hard they work.
any request for time off by anyone period needs to be approved by the P and/or VP. but that approval is done via the NEIS system. you have to enter the authorization chain on NEIS. there's no need to leave your seat at all.
Mine have to get physical authorisation before they can enter anything (for their trips and my own). They get grilled by the head-teacher and/or VP about it.

Depending on the teacher they have to make lots of trips up and down stairs.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6658 on: September 11, 2017, 07:39:13 am »
While I'm on this board - the Lesson Plan Download thread was locked before I could ask my question: before asking everyone to pay why not set a monthly download limit like a 100mb. Anything above that has to be paid.

Also, surely one can see the users who download the most from forum reports? Can't those users be blocked?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6659 on: September 11, 2017, 07:54:25 am »
Mine have to get physical authorisation before they can enter anything (for their trips and my own). They get grilled by the head-teacher and/or VP about it.

Depending on the teacher they have to make lots of trips up and down stairs.
THIS!!!

It is seems so defeatist to have this online system when so many can't let go of the old way of doing things.

Anyone know of any other reason for it to be done in that way (seeking prior approval, before submitting)?