RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

If you are a smoker and you smoke on top of buildings by vents, I hate you. Came home to my entire apartment smelling like cigarettes

Yeah. That's super rude. Also, if you're literally walking on the sidewalk and there are people behind you, don't smoke. Like, seriously. Just stop and have your cigarette so people don't get a constant stream of your second hand smoke.

I can't be friends with inconsiderate smokers.

Could you be friends with a single mother? Anne Coulter makes the point that they f..ck up society much more than smokers through their own choices but are seen as heroic in the Western world. Whereas smokers are demonised.

I'm nether a smoker, nor a fan of Anne Coulter by the way. Just thought it was an interesting point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3FE4pI_kw

I do have friends who happen to be smokers, but only of the considerate variety.  Whenever they take a smoke break they take it outside.  I just stay upwind so the smoke drifts away from me.  Then we chat and carry on.  As a child I had to use an inhaler so heavier exposure (for example, indoor smoking environments) would irritate my lungs. 

Gonna be honest, didn't watch the video.  I do think that's a funky comparison to make but I suppose I could view it in terms of "lifestyle choices."  Arguably it would be harder for a mother to give up a child than smoking (though addicts could make an argument).  Though to be frank, I probably wouldn't be friends with any single mothers because raising the kid would most likely take up all their time and kill their social life.  Also, a single mother is less likely to give me cancer than secondhand smoke, hahah. 

If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  who cares about her rn?

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments.

If that's true they should be easy to refute. I don't think you managed to do that in your initial rebuttal, as I pointed out.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments.

If that's true they should be easy to refute. I don't think you managed to do that in your initial rebuttal, as I pointed out.

Okay. You win whatever conversation you're trying to have. I accept defeat  Let's get back on topic of ranting about annoying things in Korea

If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  who cares about her rn?

I agree. If Anne Coulter herself or someone who truly believes in her views wants to come on here and try to compare single motherhood with smoking, I'm all for it. Until then, I think her views can be safely left out of the discussion.

If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  who cares about her rn?

I agree. If Anne Coulter herself or someone who truly believes in her views wants to come on here and try to compare single motherhood with smoking, I'm all for it. Until then, I think her views can be safely left out of the discussion.

I'm not in favour of making comparisons like that because there are too many differentials. However I would agree that it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much. I also think it's not a good idea to promote single motherhood over the nuclear family, as the stats bear out.

If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  who cares about her rn?

I agree. If Anne Coulter herself or someone who truly believes in her views wants to come on here and try to compare single motherhood with smoking, I'm all for it. Until then, I think her views can be safely left out of the discussion.

I'm not in favour of making comparisons like that because there are too many differentials. However I would agree that it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much. I also think it's not a good idea to promote single motherhood over the nuclear family, as the stats bear out.

Then you can start a thread for that!

it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much.

My wife makes a big display of disgust whenever she encounters a street smoker and always runs ahead of them whenever they happen to be walking ahead of us in the same direction. It ruins her mood for a good few minutes. I agree, this is a bit overblown. She would make the health argument, and she is truly disgusted by the smell (she's super sensitive to smells in general), but I would imagine that what irks most people about this behavior is that it's largely avoidable without much cost to the smoker (find a parking lot, or at least stop walking, or at least stop walking with a lit cigarette in a very crowded area), but that person doesn't possess even that slightest of considerations for those around her. The funny thing about Davis's example is that the offending smokers *did* make an effort to spare others of the odour, but in so doing  actually make it worse.

Not even smokers want their home to smell like cigarettes. That's why they walk outside and subject everyone else to it. You must admit, the smell of stale smoke that infuses a room can be vomit-inducing. Now imagine your room smells like this and you don't even smoke to begin with.

it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much.

My wife makes a big display of disgust whenever she encounters a street smoker and always runs ahead of them whenever they happen to be walking ahead of us in the same direction. It ruins her mood for a good few minutes. I agree, this is a bit overblown. She would make the health argument, and she is truly disgusted by the smell (she's super sensitive to smells in general), but I would imagine that what irks most people about this behavior is that it's largely avoidable without much cost to the smoker (find a parking lot, or at least stop walking, or at least stop walking with a lit cigarette in a very crowded area), but that person doesn't possess even that slightest of considerations for those around her. The funny thing about Davis's example is that the offending smokers *did* make an effort to spare others of the odour, but in so doing  actually make it worse.

Not even smokers want their home to smell like cigarettes. That's why they walk outside and subject everyone else to it. You must admit, the smell of stale smoke that infuses a room can be vomit-inducing. Now imagine your room smells like this and you don't even smoke to begin with.

Plus I have asthma 

spam and jam sandwich for lunch

I've never had spam before, but I'm scared to try.

Why would you be afraid of Spam? That's like being afraid of salad dressing, or crackers.
Spam is amazing.

Is spam with jam amazing?  Or simply poisonous?

Wait wait wait. Sugar is poison, but spam is amazing?

Wait wait wait. Sugar is poison, but spam is amazing?

I'll take death by sugar over eating a brick of post-puréed pig(?) scraps any day o.o

Does anyone know why old-and-grumpy-but-ultimately-well-meaning Waygook.org user Pecan was muted?

I feel like people are entirely too harsh on him while being bizarrely tolerant of some other users.

I agree. I very seldom agree with the nut, and I find him to lack even the most basic social skills, but he has never irked me in such a way that I have wanted him shut down completely ... and then there are the "other" ones, and I will jump to a completely unsubstantiated guess/assumption that we are probably referring the same ones! Well for me there is one are two three in particular.

I'm a fan of the spam and jam toasts~

Does anyone know why old-and-grumpy-but-ultimately-well-meaning Waygook.org user Pecan was muted?

I feel like people are entirely too harsh on him while being bizarrely tolerant of some other users.

I don't think people are too hard on him. I think he earns every bit of the flack he gets. He's a tactless jerk. I'm surprised he doesn't get muted more often, if anything. I don't report him for stuff or anything, because snitches get stitches, but I'm not sad that he can't post.

I do agree that some other posters don't get as much guff as they deserve though.

As an ex-smoker, quit 6yrs ago, I can say for sure that smoking etiquette is definitely lacking in these parts. On the other hand, non-smokers are definitely becoming increasingly more whiny as well. A breath or two of 2nd hand smoke is pretty insignificant when you consider the air you're breathing in 24/7, the food you're eating and your habits.

Korea is a country of cramped spaces, poor ventilation and many smokers. Many smokers are inconsiderate twats who'll smoke in the apartment passages, some are just doing the best they can. It's a fact of life in this country.

Okay...but the incident that I was referring to from my past experience of living with smokers who only liked to smoke in our windowless bathroom was at my university back in my home country, not Korea. Also, it was a very small bathroom -- so that plus the lack of window inside the bathroom seemed to make the smoke stench lingering in there even worse.

it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much.

My wife makes a big display of disgust whenever she encounters a street smoker and always runs ahead of them whenever they happen to be walking ahead of us in the same direction. It ruins her mood for a good few minutes. I agree, this is a bit overblown. She would make the health argument, and she is truly disgusted by the smell (she's super sensitive to smells in general), but I would imagine that what irks most people about this behavior is that it's largely avoidable without much cost to the smoker (find a parking lot, or at least stop walking, or at least stop walking with a lit cigarette in a very crowded area), but that person doesn't possess even that slightest of considerations for those around her. The funny thing about Davis's example is that the offending smokers *did* make an effort to spare others of the odour, but in so doing  actually make it worse.

Not even smokers want their home to smell like cigarettes. That's why they walk outside and subject everyone else to it. You must admit, the smell of stale smoke that infuses a room can be vomit-inducing. Now imagine your room smells like this and you don't even smoke to begin with.

Two years ago you could still smoke in pubs and restaurants in Korea, now it's banned on whole streets. The turnaround, compared to most places, has been exponential. I guess in other countries smokers had more time to adapt to their persecution little by little.  Somebody smoking on the street ahead of you could never be described as more than a minor irritant. Not worth curtailing people's freedom for IMO.

It seems like I arrived here 2 years too late

I'm a fan of the spam and jam toasts~

Literally the best is frying Spam until it's dry and crispy and then putting it on toast.

never taking health advice from you again

Did you ever take it before?

no   

But I really need to start taking some sort of health advice. Everything I read about processed foods, sugar and inflammation freaks me out.

Take it from me. Fried spam is legit.*

*In addition to its needed effects, some unwanted effects may be caused by spamalafil (the active ingredient contained in Spam). In the event that any of these side effects do occur, they may require medical attention.
Major Side Effects

You should check with your doctor immediately if any of these side effects occur when taking spamalafil:
Less common:

    Arm, back, or jaw pain
    blurred vision
    chest pain or discomfort
    chest tightness or heaviness
    chills
    cold sweats
    confusion
    dizziness
    fainting
    faintness or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
    fast or irregular heartbeat
    headache
    hearing loss
    nausea
    nervousness
    pain or discomfort in the arms, jaw, back, or neck
    pounding in the ears
    shortness of breath
    slow or fast heartbeat
    sweating
    unusual tiredness or weakness
    vomiting

Rare

    Painful or prolonged erection of the penis

Incidence not known:

    Abdominal or stomach pain
    blindness
    blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
    cough
    cracks in the skin
    decrease or change in vision
    diarrhea
    difficulty with speaking
    double vision
    fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
    headache, severe and throbbing
    hives or welts
    inability to move the arms, legs, or facial muscles
    inability to speak
    itching
    joint or muscle pain
    loss of heat from the body
    numbness or tingling of the face, hands, or feet
    red irritated eyes
    red skin lesions, often with a purple center
    red, swollen skin
    redness of the skin
    redness or soreness of the eyes
    scaly skin
    skin rash
    slow speech
    sores, ulcers, or white spots in the mouth or on the lips
    sudden cardiac death
    swelling of the feet or lower legs

Minor Side Effects

Some of the side effects that can occur with spamalafil may not need medical attention. As your body adjusts to the food during digestion these side effects may go away. Your health care professional may also be able to tell you about ways to reduce or prevent some of these side effects. If any of the following side effects continue, are bothersome or if you have any questions about them, check with your health care professional:
More common:

    Acid or sour stomach
    belching
    heartburn
    indigestion
    stomach discomfort, upset, or pain

Less common:

    Bloody nose
    body aches or pain
    burning, crawling, itching, numbness, prickling, "pins and needles", or tingling feelings
    burning, dry, or itching eyes
    burning feeling in the chest or stomach
    congestion
    difficulty with moving
    difficulty with swallowing
    dry mouth
    dryness or soreness of the throat
    excessive eye discharge
    eye pain
    feeling of constant movement of self or surroundings
    feeling of warmth, redness of the face, neck, arms and occasionally, upper chest
    fever
    hoarseness
    increased erection
    lack or loss of strength
    loose stools
    muscle aching or cramping
    muscle stiffness
    nasal congestion
    neck pain
    pain
    pain in the arms or legs
    pain or burning in the throat
    redness, pain, swelling of the eye, eyelid, or inner lining of the eyelid
    reduced sensitivity to touch
    runny nose
    sensation of spinning
    sleepiness or unusual drowsiness
    sleeplessness
    spontaneous penile erection
    stomach upset
    swelling of the eyelids
    swelling or puffiness of the eyes or face
    swollen joints
    tearing
    tender, swollen glands in the neck
    tenderness in the stomach area
    trouble with sleeping
    unable to sleep
    upper abdominal or stomach pain
    voice changes
    watering of the eyes

Rare

    Changes in color vision

I think I'm fine with not eating spam