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  • jddavis7
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    • November 02, 2016, 12:35:17 am
    • Miryang-si, Gyeongsangnam-do
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6020 on: July 14, 2017, 11:10:50 am »
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I gotta be blunt. That is the dumbest comparison I've ever heard. Smokers choose to smoke and risk their health and the health of others. Most people don't choose to be single parents and aren't proactively risking their health and the health of others. Single mothers aren't making my living space horrible.



According to Coulter they do choose to be single mothers as even if they conceive 'by accident', she advocates giving children born outside of wedlock up for adoption. Also if crime makes your living space horrible (which most people reckon it does) single motherhood is statistically a massive contribution to crime levels.

Again, her argument, not mine

If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.


Rice lunch was disappointing as expected  :cry: I hate going to this school because there's no big stores around. There's only 2 convenient stores around the school, but I don't want to eat junk.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 11:15:29 am by jddavis7 »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6021 on: July 14, 2017, 11:32:49 am »
When I used to work in summer (university) housing, one notorious group of guests smoked CIGARS inside, apparently without the windows open, because you could smell it on the whole floor. They then sprayed perfume to mask it, although that just made it a whole lot worse.

We couldn't do much until we caught them, so their entire floor got "No Smoking" signs every three feet or so, including one or two on the door of the offenders.

They still got caught and kicked out, but seriously, how can you say "No, we haven't been smoking" when I can smell it from at least 10 feet away...

Ah, they weren't just smoking cigars...


  • jddavis7
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6022 on: July 14, 2017, 11:34:43 am »
spam and jam sandwich for lunch

I've never had spam before, but I'm scared to try.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6023 on: July 14, 2017, 11:41:26 am »
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If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.


  • yirj17
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6024 on: July 14, 2017, 11:46:28 am »
If you are a smoker and you smoke on top of buildings by vents, I hate you. Came home to my entire apartment smelling like cigarettes

Yeah. That's super rude. Also, if you're literally walking on the sidewalk and there are people behind you, don't smoke. Like, seriously. Just stop and have your cigarette so people don't get a constant stream of your second hand smoke.


I can't be friends with inconsiderate smokers.

Could you be friends with a single mother? Anne Coulter makes the point that they f..ck up society much more than smokers through their own choices but are seen as heroic in the Western world. Whereas smokers are demonised.

I'm nether a smoker, nor a fan of Anne Coulter by the way. Just thought it was an interesting point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3FE4pI_kw

I do have friends who happen to be smokers, but only of the considerate variety.  Whenever they take a smoke break they take it outside.  I just stay upwind so the smoke drifts away from me.  Then we chat and carry on.  As a child I had to use an inhaler so heavier exposure (for example, indoor smoking environments) would irritate my lungs. 

Gonna be honest, didn't watch the video.  I do think that's a funky comparison to make but I suppose I could view it in terms of "lifestyle choices."  Arguably it would be harder for a mother to give up a child than smoking (though addicts could make an argument).  Though to be frank, I probably wouldn't be friends with any single mothers because raising the kid would most likely take up all their time and kill their social life.  Also, a single mother is less likely to give me cancer than secondhand smoke, hahah. 


  • jddavis7
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6025 on: July 14, 2017, 11:46:39 am »
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If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  :laugh: who cares about her rn?
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6026 on: July 14, 2017, 11:53:46 am »
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I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments.

If that's true they should be easy to refute. I don't think you managed to do that in your initial rebuttal, as I pointed out.


  • jddavis7
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6027 on: July 14, 2017, 11:55:56 am »
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I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments.

If that's true they should be easy to refute. I don't think you managed to do that in your initial rebuttal, as I pointed out.

Okay. You win whatever conversation you're trying to have. I accept defeat  :laugh: Let's get back on topic of ranting about annoying things in Korea


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6028 on: July 14, 2017, 12:05:20 pm »
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If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  :laugh: who cares about her rn?

I agree. If Anne Coulter herself or someone who truly believes in her views wants to come on here and try to compare single motherhood with smoking, I'm all for it. Until then, I think her views can be safely left out of the discussion.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6029 on: July 14, 2017, 12:10:20 pm »
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If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  :laugh: who cares about her rn?

I agree. If Anne Coulter herself or someone who truly believes in her views wants to come on here and try to compare single motherhood with smoking, I'm all for it. Until then, I think her views can be safely left out of the discussion.

I'm not in favour of making comparisons like that because there are too many differentials. However I would agree that it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much. I also think it's not a good idea to promote single motherhood over the nuclear family, as the stats bear out.


  • jddavis7
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6030 on: July 14, 2017, 12:13:55 pm »
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If it's not your argument, then don't even bring it up. It's one of the worst opinions I've heard. Distance yourself from that kind of thinking.

That sounds a bit like an argument for an echo chamber. If I was handing out advice, I'd tell people to read all sorts of opinions and try and form logical arguments against the ones you don't agree with.

I'm for it, too. However, I don't think Ann Coulter makes good logical arguments. I feel that she's a "slippery slope" kind of person who always goes to the worst scenario. I agree that a person should consider all advice, but if someone is depressed "Go kill yourself" is probably not good advice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring extreme statements.

Also, I don't want to address her statement cuz I'm in this thread to complain about smokers and boring lunches  :laugh: who cares about her rn?

I agree. If Anne Coulter herself or someone who truly believes in her views wants to come on here and try to compare single motherhood with smoking, I'm all for it. Until then, I think her views can be safely left out of the discussion.

I'm not in favour of making comparisons like that because there are too many differentials. However I would agree that it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much. I also think it's not a good idea to promote single motherhood over the nuclear family, as the stats bear out.

Then you can start a thread for that!


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6031 on: July 14, 2017, 12:24:45 pm »
it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much.

My wife makes a big display of disgust whenever she encounters a street smoker and always runs ahead of them whenever they happen to be walking ahead of us in the same direction. It ruins her mood for a good few minutes. I agree, this is a bit overblown. She would make the health argument, and she is truly disgusted by the smell (she's super sensitive to smells in general), but I would imagine that what irks most people about this behavior is that it's largely avoidable without much cost to the smoker (find a parking lot, or at least stop walking, or at least stop walking with a lit cigarette in a very crowded area), but that person doesn't possess even that slightest of considerations for those around her. The funny thing about Davis's example is that the offending smokers *did* make an effort to spare others of the odour, but in so doing  actually make it worse.

Not even smokers want their home to smell like cigarettes. That's why they walk outside and subject everyone else to it. You must admit, the smell of stale smoke that infuses a room can be vomit-inducing. Now imagine your room smells like this and you don't even smoke to begin with.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 12:27:53 pm by donovan »


  • jddavis7
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6032 on: July 14, 2017, 12:29:25 pm »
it's become a little too accepted to bash smokers over other groups who possibly deserve it as much.

My wife makes a big display of disgust whenever she encounters a street smoker and always runs ahead of them whenever they happen to be walking ahead of us in the same direction. It ruins her mood for a good few minutes. I agree, this is a bit overblown. She would make the health argument, and she is truly disgusted by the smell (she's super sensitive to smells in general), but I would imagine that what irks most people about this behavior is that it's largely avoidable without much cost to the smoker (find a parking lot, or at least stop walking, or at least stop walking with a lit cigarette in a very crowded area), but that person doesn't possess even that slightest of considerations for those around her. The funny thing about Davis's example is that the offending smokers *did* make an effort to spare others of the odour, but in so doing  actually make it worse.

Not even smokers want their home to smell like cigarettes. That's why they walk outside and subject everyone else to it. You must admit, the smell of stale smoke that infuses a room can be vomit-inducing. Now imagine your room smells like this and you don't even smoke to begin with.

Plus I have asthma  :cry:


  • yirj17
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    • September 16, 2015, 02:23:16 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6033 on: July 14, 2017, 12:58:22 pm »
spam and jam sandwich for lunch

I've never had spam before, but I'm scared to try.

Why would you be afraid of Spam? That's like being afraid of salad dressing, or crackers.
Spam is amazing.

Is spam with jam amazing?  Or simply poisonous?


  • Lurch
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6034 on: July 14, 2017, 01:07:45 pm »
Wait wait wait. Sugar is poison, but spam is amazing?


  • kriztee
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6035 on: July 14, 2017, 01:19:53 pm »
Wait wait wait. Sugar is poison, but spam is amazing?

I'll take death by sugar over eating a brick of post-puréed pig(?) scraps any day o.o


  • What?What?
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    • October 14, 2016, 10:29:17 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6036 on: July 14, 2017, 01:28:32 pm »
Does anyone know why old-and-grumpy-but-ultimately-well-meaning Waygook.org user Pecan was muted?

I feel like people are entirely too harsh on him while being bizarrely tolerant of some other users.

I agree. I very seldom agree with the nut, and I find him to lack even the most basic social skills, but he has never irked me in such a way that I have wanted him shut down completely ... and then there are the "other" ones, and I will jump to a completely unsubstantiated guess/assumption that we are probably referring the same ones! Well for me there is one are two three in particular.
People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6037 on: July 14, 2017, 01:34:18 pm »
I'm a fan of the spam and jam toasts~


  • Mister Tim
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6038 on: July 14, 2017, 01:40:15 pm »
Does anyone know why old-and-grumpy-but-ultimately-well-meaning Waygook.org user Pecan was muted?

I feel like people are entirely too harsh on him while being bizarrely tolerant of some other users.

I don't think people are too hard on him. I think he earns every bit of the flack he gets. He's a tactless jerk. I'm surprised he doesn't get muted more often, if anything. I don't report him for stuff or anything, because snitches get stitches, but I'm not sad that he can't post.

I do agree that some other posters don't get as much guff as they deserve though.


  • Mezoti97
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6039 on: July 14, 2017, 01:52:14 pm »
As an ex-smoker, quit 6yrs ago, I can say for sure that smoking etiquette is definitely lacking in these parts. On the other hand, non-smokers are definitely becoming increasingly more whiny as well. A breath or two of 2nd hand smoke is pretty insignificant when you consider the air you're breathing in 24/7, the food you're eating and your habits.

Korea is a country of cramped spaces, poor ventilation and many smokers. Many smokers are inconsiderate twats who'll smoke in the apartment passages, some are just doing the best they can. It's a fact of life in this country.

Okay...but the incident that I was referring to from my past experience of living with smokers who only liked to smoke in our windowless bathroom was at my university back in my home country, not Korea. Also, it was a very small bathroom -- so that plus the lack of window inside the bathroom seemed to make the smoke stench lingering in there even worse.