Quote from: elsbethm on July 05, 2017, 01:48:04 pmQuote from: Pecan on July 05, 2017, 01:19:37 pmQuote from: Arabin on July 05, 2017, 11:34:03 amJust had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.Well, that is one approach.Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.It has worked a charm at times.Different strokes, different folks."Wow! Good English!" has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks. It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears. It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.In the corridor, I heard one of my girl students tell another girl to 'piss off' in a joking way. Brilliant.I told my Swedish friends about the 'puck you' thing and they thought it was hilarious before mentioning that it isn't really a swear word because as the spelling has changed it's meaning has changed. I think it is a second language thing. I don't really hear it nearly as much as I did when I first came here, mind. As I teach girls, the rate of hearing swearing has been reduced to about once a semester. Boys middle and boys high would be ten times a minute.
Quote from: Pecan on July 05, 2017, 01:19:37 pmQuote from: Arabin on July 05, 2017, 11:34:03 amJust had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.Well, that is one approach.Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.It has worked a charm at times.Different strokes, different folks."Wow! Good English!" has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks. It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears. It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.
Quote from: Arabin on July 05, 2017, 11:34:03 amJust had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.Well, that is one approach.Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.It has worked a charm at times.Different strokes, different folks.
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
There's nothing 'cool n' chill' about letting kids run around saying expletives, and it's even worse when they greet it with a chuckle or think it's cute. But, it also is a chance for an educational moment - a lot of the time if you explain to kids that it's actually a bad word, and that it's not cool or funny or cute, then a lot of the time they'll kind of clue in, and at least avoid saying it directly in front of you. Of course some kids are just jerks and will continue, but some students genuinely don't know that those are bad.
Nah, super small rural town. It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?). I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line." Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting! That was a nice surprise.
I think the swear word debate is interesting and I try to react how I would at home. The first time I hear them swearing I explain what the words are and that they are swear words. Sometimes they genuinely don't know. The second / third / fourth / 1 millionth time I hear them swearing - I don't give a sh*t. Why? I believe swearing can be good for the soul...and part of growing up. I swore at my friends in school. Everyone did. Everyone does. I really don't believe these kids are going to grow up to work at some company, and greet their new foreign business partners with "Hello Mr.Smith. Nice to f**king meet you. You c**t. " They'll grow out of it, and it gives them a chance to be creative with what is and isn't allowed. This week in my school I've overheard - "Oh my gas rangeeee" "What the puck""What the luck" "ship""Oh ship""What the fox say" Anyway, this is only if I overhear them. Swearing AT me would be different, but they don't cos they love me
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Quote from: oglop on July 05, 2017, 04:36:54 pm swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at schoolSorry, but that simply isn't the case.These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.It can be a teachable moment.These kids are like sponges. They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.
Gym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.
Quote from: grey on July 06, 2017, 07:56:18 amGym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.Yessss. Also, mine seems to think everyone wants to hear a loud grunt after he finishes eating. Just fkng be normal and get up and go away.
Quote from: lifeisgood6447 on July 06, 2017, 08:31:42 amQuote from: grey on July 06, 2017, 07:56:18 amGym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.Yessss. Also, mine seems to think everyone wants to hear a loud grunt after he finishes eating. Just fkng be normal and get up and go away.Just try to out-grunt him to establish your dominance. You'll either stop the behavior, or make a friend/enemy for life.
Quote from: Pecan on July 06, 2017, 07:46:05 amQuote from: oglop on July 05, 2017, 04:36:54 pm swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at schoolSorry, but that simply isn't the case.These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.It can be a teachable moment.These kids are like sponges. They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.I think you missed Oglop's caveat (bolded).When kids are swearing in order to push boundaries then it is definitely is a punishable offence. If some kid accidentally staples his hand to his desk, then I'll give the expletives a pass. You're right that we should judge according to intent, which I think most of us recognise.
Quote from: yirj17 on July 05, 2017, 12:51:28 pmNah, super small rural town. It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?). I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line." Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting! That was a nice surprise. Isn't there a special machine at your bank for people to use to pay their utility bills? Even when I used to live in a super-rural part of Korea, the NongHyup banks there had this machine for paying utility bills.
Quote from: kyndo on July 06, 2017, 08:02:14 amQuote from: Pecan on July 06, 2017, 07:46:05 amQuote from: oglop on July 05, 2017, 04:36:54 pm swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at schoolSorry, but that simply isn't the case.These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.It can be a teachable moment.These kids are like sponges. They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.I think you missed Oglop's caveat (bolded).When kids are swearing in order to push boundaries then it is definitely is a punishable offence. If some kid accidentally staples his hand to his desk, then I'll give the expletives a pass. You're right that we should judge according to intent, which I think most of us recognise.Absolutely. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at schoo.........of course I did. Why did we do it? because we were pushing boundaries. I didn't do it to them, or at them or disrupt the class with it but within earshot...sure. I don't necessarily see pushing boundaries as a bad thing. Perhaps it's a British / American differences. If the teacher ignored it, well eventually we didn't care. Some teachers would tell us alternatives (I read one article about using Shakespearean insults to get teenagers interested in Shakespeare which was cool). Those teachers that bore down on us every time they overheard a F or an S lost the battle every time. Obviously I'm not talking about using bad language at the teacher, or in an abusive way but between friends, in a funny casual way is fine by me. Obviously if it is disrupting everyone in the class then I deal with the disruption. I see "stopping fun for the next two periods" as overkill. This is a big debate between British teachers right now too, and it's really interesting. Everyone is divided.
Quote from: Mezoti97 on July 05, 2017, 04:34:53 pmQuote from: yirj17 on July 05, 2017, 12:51:28 pmNah, super small rural town. It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?). I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line." Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting! That was a nice surprise. Isn't there a special machine at your bank for people to use to pay their utility bills? Even when I used to live in a super-rural part of Korea, the NongHyup banks there had this machine for paying utility bills. hahah, there actually is a special machine but like much of the elderly population here, I never remember how to use it Paying my bill to a clerk is a good way to use up my small change though.