RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

I'm also not in charge of furniture.

There was a student in my last class today that was using his phone, so I took it. He was upset, but whatever. I keep going. Its common practice to take phones. He gets up and tries to take it back, and when I say no, he started getting angry, then eventually progresses to him cussing me out in Korean. I tried making him do his work, but after that, I went to go kick him out, when he loses his mind and started yelling and screaming and kicked my desk hard enough to shake it and knock some stuff over, then kicks another big enpty teacher desk and broke the wood on the front. As he is leaving, still yelling, he kicks the door (which I'm surprised he didn't break also). This kid has issues, as he has broken a chair in class last year and gotten in fights before too. I know that a lot of kids have problems at home and need to be loved and just treated kindly, but actions like that make it hard. He actually scared me and I was shaking after.

Edit: This is high school. I might be scared even more if this was an elementary schooler...

Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Since in my two years at this same school my desks have never gone missing before. Heck, at any school!

There was a student in my last class today that was using his phone, so I took it. He was upset, but whatever. I keep going. Its common practice to take phones. He gets up and tries to take it back, and when I say no, he started getting angry, then eventually progresses to him cussing me out in Korean. I tried making him do his work, but after that, I went to go kick him out, when he loses his mind and started yelling and screaming and kicked my desk hard enough to shake it and knock some stuff over, then kicks another big enpty teacher desk and broke the wood on the front. As he is leaving, still yelling, he kicks the door (which I'm surprised he didn't break also). This kid has issues, as he has broken a chair in class last year and gotten in fights before too. I know that a lot of kids have problems at home and need to be loved and just treated kindly, but actions like that make it hard. He actually scared me and I was shaking after.

Edit: This is high school. I might be scared even more if this was an elementary schooler...

From the POV of an elementary teacher, I wouldn't be that worried about this from any of my students because they're not all old enough to know better yet, and they're mostly not big enough to do any serious damage. But from a high schooler, I find it pretty freaking terrifying to be honest. If that was me I'm not sure how it would have turned out because most high school boys are probably bigger than me. 

There was a student in my last class today that was using his phone, so I took it. He was upset, but whatever. I keep going. Its common practice to take phones. He gets up and tries to take it back, and when I say no, he started getting angry, then eventually progresses to him cussing me out in Korean. I tried making him do his work, but after that, I went to go kick him out, when he loses his mind and started yelling and screaming and kicked my desk hard enough to shake it and knock some stuff over, then kicks another big empty teacher desk and broke the wood on the front. As he is leaving, still yelling, he kicks the door (which I'm surprised he didn't break also). This kid has issues, as he has broken a chair in class last year and gotten in fights before too. I know that a lot of kids have problems at home and need to be loved and just treated kindly, but actions like that make it hard. He actually scared me and I was shaking after.

Edit: This is high school. I might be scared even more if this was an elementary schooler...

From the POV of an elementary teacher, I wouldn't be that worried about this from any of my students because they're not all old enough to know better yet, and they're mostly not big enough to do any serious damage. But from a high schooler, I find it pretty freaking terrifying to be honest. If that was me I'm not sure how it would have turned out because most high school boys are probably bigger than me. 

Haha, well I meant more that if an elementary grader had been able to do that sort of damage, they would have had to be pretty big.

But yeah, I have asked discipline to remove him from my class, because he is a huge distraction and disruptance ALL the time. And yeah, I'm not that little and this still scared me.

Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.

????? I'm agreeing with you.

Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.

????? I'm agreeing with you.

Apologies! I was reading a  that wasn't there. OOPS @ ME.

Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.

????? I'm agreeing with you.

Apologies! I was reading a  that wasn't there. OOPS @ ME.

  It's hard to tell in text sometimes when a person is being sarcastic or sincere. I can see how this particular one could have been interpreted both ways.

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ...

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

You wrote all that to just restate the obvious. And yeah where to draw the line isn't a small difference. It's actually a pretty big one when it comes to just about anything. We all lie, but where someone draws the line says a lot about their character in my opinion. If someone asks me my opinion on their clothing & they actually WANT my opinion, I give it honestly. If someone genuinely wants my opinion on their love life, I give it to them!

Haven't you ever known someone who exaggerates their stories or twists them to the point their word can't be trusted? Those people are not fun to be around vs someone who lies and tells you they like your new haircut when they really don't. It's all a matter of degree and the degree to which people lie here is uncomfortable to me. I expect adults to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It's how I was raised, but "the truth" doesn't seem to be held in high regard here. I really don't feel the need to lie to just get through my day and the people who do feel the need aren't people I'd really like to be around.

I don't really understand the point of responses like this though. I've seen people spit back home a couple of times so does that mean I can't be tired of the hacking I can hear from my window and gobs of phlegm that litter the streets?

No one said Koreans invented lying so... no need to waste your time.

I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.

I'm surprised you think there is NO moral code to lying. Everyone has to make one for themselves. That said.. who the hell raised you? I love coming onto waygook and seeing the low moral standards others set for themselves. It's fascinating.

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Every time they stop to rest! 

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

Why does muggy/rainy weather instantly mean, "Open the windows and let the molten steam roll in."?! 

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

Am I a liar because I blend in here? Lol.

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

Am I a liar because I blend in here? Lol.

You're the biggest liar of them all.

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

There is a difference between deceit and lies.
One doesn't necessarily need to lie in order to deceive.

This students in my first class after lunch today just trickled in, so I didn't have a complete class until five or six minutes after it was supposed to have started. That in and of itself is nothing out of the ordinary, and hardly worth a rant in here.

What got me was when one of the very last students to show up asked me if he could go get a drink of water as soon as sat down. I told him no, of course, because he had more than enough time during lunch and the 6 minutes it took him to get to class to stop and have something to drink.

After I told him no, though, he turned to my CoT and asked her in Korean if he could go get some water. I understood him, of course, and snapped at him (you can take the man out of the military, but...). Luckily my CoT backed me up on it, though it's a bit sad that I even need a CoT to back me up on it. That he even considered asking her to be a viable option says a lot about our status and authority here.

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

What got me was when one of the very last students to show up asked me if he could go get a drink of water as soon as sat down.

This drives me insane. You're already late, just drink some water or piss before you come to my class. I'm not going to be more mad that you're 8 mins late versus 6 mins late.

DERP

My name is Chinguetti.

Every time I see your posts now I sing

Knees weak, arms are heavy
There's kimchi on her apron already,
Ajumma's Chinguetti

Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in