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  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4860 on: April 18, 2017, 09:59:29 pm »
This is easily proven, as for every single culture that has ever existed, all over the planet health declined when sugar and white flour were introduced.
"White flour" dates from around 1870, when steam-driven mills came about during the Industrial Revolution.

Avg world life expectancy in 1870 was 29.7 years.  Today, it is 71.4 years. 

It is verifiably untrue that "health" (assuming that has anything to do with, y'know, being alive) has declined since the introduction of white flour.


  • Ptolemy
  • Super Waygook

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    • January 09, 2017, 06:25:15 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4861 on: April 18, 2017, 10:17:09 pm »

"White flour" dates from around 1870, when steam-driven mills came about during the Industrial Revolution.

Avg world life expectancy in 1870 was 29.7 years.  Today, it is 71.4 years. 

HA!!! You guys crack me up. Riiiight, because life span is a proxy for health.  :rolleyes:

Internet people always say that...


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4862 on: April 19, 2017, 06:06:16 am »

"White flour" dates from around 1870, when steam-driven mills came about during the Industrial Revolution.

Avg world life expectancy in 1870 was 29.7 years.  Today, it is 71.4 years. 

HA!!! You guys crack me up. Riiiight, because life span is a proxy for health.  :rolleyes:

Internet people always say that...
So do medical people, at least in that life expectancy is the most widely used measure of health.  It's not perfect, and there are ways of computing "quality of life" into measuring "health", but however you do it, it is simply a fact that human health has vastly improved since the introduction of white flour.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

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    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4863 on: April 19, 2017, 06:24:22 am »
Sorry, but wouldn't looking at the actual causes of increased lifespans be more telling?

Clean drinking water, for example?

Life expectancy has increased in India, Africa, etc., for different reasons, but not one of them is due to white flour and sugar.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4864 on: April 19, 2017, 06:51:34 am »
Sorry, but wouldn't looking at the actual causes of increased lifespans be more telling?

Clean drinking water, for example?

Life expectancy has increased in India, Africa, etc., for different reasons, but not one of them is due to white flour and sugar.
Certainly, but I didn't say white flour has either contributed to or caused a decline in human health.

I was responding to this statement: "health declined when sugar and white flour were introduced."

And it's just not so.


  • What?What?
  • Expert Waygook

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    • October 14, 2016, 10:29:17 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4865 on: April 19, 2017, 07:41:14 am »
White flour and sugar are literally poison

I live on the edge *eats donut for breakfast*
People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.
-A.A. Milne


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4866 on: April 19, 2017, 07:41:56 am »
ETA 2day 4hour 45min to next reboot.
DO NOT UNPLUG


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4867 on: April 19, 2017, 07:45:14 am »


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Brilliant graph! Checkmate, sheeple.


  • Lurch
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    • September 05, 2011, 08:31:17 am
    • Chungju
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4868 on: April 19, 2017, 07:59:58 am »

"White flour" dates from around 1870, when steam-driven mills came about during the Industrial Revolution.

Avg world life expectancy in 1870 was 29.7 years.  Today, it is 71.4 years. 

HA!!! You guys crack me up. Riiiight, because life span is a proxy for health.  :rolleyes:

Internet people always say that...

Are you not also one of these "Internet people"?

Life span is absolutely a proxy for health. Who is more likely to die, a healthy person or an unhealthy person? Use some common sense.

Sugar and flour are easily produced, stored and are a decent source of energy.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2017, 08:01:40 am by Lurch »


  • kobayashi
  • Expert Waygook

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    • August 18, 2016, 11:14:47 am
    • Nibiru
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4869 on: April 19, 2017, 08:22:07 am »
He was actually hospitalized Monday night and she still doesn't ****** get it. My wife is too scared to do anything about it.

you really need to lay down the law here. what's going to happen if your son dies because of your MIL?

kick her out, make some alternative arrangements for child care. literally scream at her if she doesn't get it.

this is not the time to be nice.


  • yirj17
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    • September 16, 2015, 02:23:16 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4870 on: April 19, 2017, 09:03:13 am »
^Ugh, I hear ya. 

For my elem. classes I'm not allowed to even use the book/cd so literally every class is GAMES AND FUN ACTIVITIES. 

Occasionally I do throw in some word searches and coloring sheets though.  As long as I make it relevant to the lesson at hand, my coT doesn't seem terribly affronted.  Then I can just go around and ask students questions one-on-one all chill like. 


  • HaLo3
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 02, 2014, 08:19:08 am
    • Seoul, South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4871 on: April 19, 2017, 09:10:13 am »
Yeah, there are a few classrooms I walk by occasionally and I swear, every time that class is just watching a movie.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4872 on: April 19, 2017, 09:11:17 am »
Not really a rant, but it kind of grinds my gears how native teachers are expected to always have an organized, educational, and fun class for every single class, but for Korean teachers, sometimes it's okay for them to just let students study for a few minutes and then play. Or give them the entire class to practice a roleplay. Basically all these things that are super low-demand on the teacher's energy.

Not like every time. Even the hardest working Korean teachers do that sometimes. Like, that's a normal thing that teachers do everywhere. Even in western countries. Sometimes students and teachers just need a nice, low-maintenance relaxing class period without a lot of structure.

But if a native teacher does that? Clearly not diligent and just wants to avoid making material.

I have this thought almost every day as I pass classrooms that are just watching videos or milling about doing nothing in particular. Most of the time I actually enjoy playing games with my kids but there are definitely some classes where I want to just have them all sit with their heads down but someone is always watching me. There are also days when I'm just having the sad time feelies and can't be a SHINY HAPPY PERSON.

Maybe it evens out though since our classes are routinely cancelled for dodgeball competitions and the like, which I assume the Korean teachers have to at least monitor/show up for.  :undecided:
« Last Edit: April 19, 2017, 09:13:20 am by chupacaubrey »


  • gprinziv
  • Adventurer

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    • March 02, 2017, 10:47:15 am
    • Sangju-si, Gyeongsangbuk-do, South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4873 on: April 19, 2017, 09:52:56 am »
There are also days when I'm just having the sad time feelies and can't be a SHINY HAPPY PERSON.

I feel so lucky that at least three of my schools understand that idea. My main school is often a nightmare (sometimes not), but my satellites are all easygoing enough that I can branch off on different subjects other than English as long as I'm giving them new terms and grammar.

Like today, I reviewed last week's grammar lesson (comparables and superlatives), then held a quiz show for half the class that taught them a bunch of weird animal names.


  • Ptolemy
  • Super Waygook

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    • January 09, 2017, 06:25:15 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4874 on: April 19, 2017, 09:53:44 am »
Life span is absolutely a proxy for health. Who is more likely to die, a healthy person or an unhealthy person? Use some common sense.

Wrong, why don't you use some common sense?

Americans are some of the most unhealthy people in the world, even though their lifespan is double that of the Upper Paleolithic. Propping up half-dead losers with drugs doesn't change the fact that they are massively unhealthy...from the products of the industrial revolution...which are sugar, "vegetable" oil, white flour, etc.

Upper Paleolithic was peak human health, and they lived ~35 years (disputed).

No real correlation between life span and health.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

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    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4875 on: April 19, 2017, 10:14:33 am »
There are also days when I'm just having the sad time feelies and can't be a SHINY HAPPY PERSON.
Huh?

Being kind, polite, professional, etc. doesn't take that much effort.

Mood swings aren't "normal" unless one has some sort of condition.

Perhaps I am not following your meaning, but I certainly don't agree that it is ever appropriate to let your "sad time feelies" get in the way of fulfilling your professional obligations.

This gig is pretty easy.

Have you ever thought about seeing someone about your condition?


  • JahMoo
  • Expert Waygook

    • 639

    • May 11, 2016, 12:55:18 pm
    • Gyeonggi-do, ROK
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4876 on: April 19, 2017, 10:20:26 am »
Life span is absolutely a proxy for health. Who is more likely to die, a healthy person or an unhealthy person? Use some common sense.

Wrong, why don't you use some common sense?
Americans are some of the most unhealthy people in the world, even though their lifespan is double that of the Upper Paleolithic. Propping up half-dead losers with drugs doesn't
change the fact that they are massively unhealthy...from the products of the industrial revolution...which are sugar, "vegetable" oil, white flour, etc.

Upper Paleolithic was peak human health, and they lived ~35 years (disputed).

No real correlation between life span and health.
That's not a fair comparison. There's no way to discover what their life span would have been if they died of natural causes. Today's Americans have modern medicine, and no natural predators (besides each other). And we have the technology and available information to measure the average lifespan of just those who live long enough to die of natural causes.


  • kobayashi
  • Expert Waygook

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    • August 18, 2016, 11:14:47 am
    • Nibiru
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4877 on: April 19, 2017, 10:38:36 am »
Pecan, i have to say that judging from the vast majority of your posts on this forum it sounds like YOU are the one with a condition that you should get seen to.

complete lack of empathy; always blaming the person for their misfortune whilst completely failing to take into account situational factors and/or that other people might be involved/contributing to a situation; inability to see things from someone else's perspective; making suggestions based on 'facts' that you imagine that are not described anywhere in people's posts.

sounds like narcissism mixed in with a bit of psychopathy.

or perhaps you've just been in korea for so long that you've become completely isolated and socially awkward?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4878 on: April 19, 2017, 10:45:20 am »
Not really a rant, but it kind of grinds my gears how native teachers are expected to always have an organized, educational, and fun class for every single class, but for Korean teachers, sometimes it's okay for them to just let students study for a few minutes and then play. Or give them the entire class to practice a roleplay. Basically all these things that are super low-demand on the teacher's energy.

Not like every time. Even the hardest working Korean teachers do that sometimes. Like, that's a normal thing that teachers do everywhere. Even in western countries. Sometimes students and teachers just need a nice, low-maintenance relaxing class period without a lot of structure.

But if a native teacher does that? Clearly not diligent and just wants to avoid making material.

Holy shit this.


  • Pecan
  • The Legend

    • 3769

    • December 27, 2010, 09:14:44 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4879 on: April 19, 2017, 10:47:37 am »
Thanks Kobayashi.

Though I've been in Korea far too long, I've always been socially awkward (no shame here).

I mentioned "Perhaps I am not following your meaning" but it sounds like you and cowboy are better able to "read between the lines" and follow her meaning.

I don't know what the "sad time feelies" are describing, but simply stated that it isn't acceptable to bring one's emotional baggage to school.

Leave that mess at home, where it belongs.