Quote from: DMZabductee on August 12, 2016, 12:20:33 pmQuote from: sevenpm on August 12, 2016, 11:43:17 amQuote from: Somebody on August 12, 2016, 01:02:24 amQuote from: sevenpm on August 10, 2016, 11:29:50 amQuote from: z80 on August 09, 2016, 04:34:36 pmQuote from: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 pmI simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me. The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!SAME. I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another. What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...We all lie to: A) save face at some point B) say what others want to/need to hear C) go along to get along at workThe only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.You wrote all that to just restate the obvious. And yeah where to draw the line isn't a small difference. It's actually a pretty big one when it comes to just about anything. We all lie, but where someone draws the line says a lot about their character in my opinion. If someone asks me my opinion on their clothing & they actually WANT my opinion, I give it honestly. If someone genuinely wants my opinion on their love life, I give it to them! Haven't you ever known someone who exaggerates their stories or twists them to the point their word can't be trusted? Those people are not fun to be around vs someone who lies and tells you they like your new haircut when they really don't. It's all a matter of degree and the degree to which people lie here is uncomfortable to me. I expect adults to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It's how I was raised, but "the truth" doesn't seem to be held in high regard here. I really don't feel the need to lie to just get through my day and the people who do feel the need aren't people I'd really like to be around. I don't really understand the point of responses like this though. I've seen people spit back home a couple of times so does that mean I can't be tired of the hacking I can hear from my window and gobs of phlegm that litter the streets?No one said Koreans invented lying so... no need to waste your time.
Quote from: sevenpm on August 12, 2016, 11:43:17 amQuote from: Somebody on August 12, 2016, 01:02:24 amQuote from: sevenpm on August 10, 2016, 11:29:50 amQuote from: z80 on August 09, 2016, 04:34:36 pmQuote from: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 pmI simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me. The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!SAME. I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another. What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...We all lie to: A) save face at some point B) say what others want to/need to hear C) go along to get along at workThe only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.
Quote from: Somebody on August 12, 2016, 01:02:24 amQuote from: sevenpm on August 10, 2016, 11:29:50 amQuote from: z80 on August 09, 2016, 04:34:36 pmQuote from: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 pmI simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me. The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!SAME. I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.
Quote from: sevenpm on August 10, 2016, 11:29:50 amQuote from: z80 on August 09, 2016, 04:34:36 pmQuote from: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 pmI simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me. The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!SAME. I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.
Quote from: z80 on August 09, 2016, 04:34:36 pmQuote from: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 pmI simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me. The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!SAME. I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.
Quote from: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 pmI simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me. The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!
I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.
I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.
QuoteI'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.Simple. Don't tell a lie you can be caught out on.
Quote from: eggieguffer on August 13, 2016, 07:07:51 amQuoteI'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.Simple. Don't tell a lie you can be caught out on.Ah, now there's a strategy.
Seats on airplanes shouldn't recline. It blows my mind that people actually recline their seats when there's someone sitting behind them. Is there anything more inconsiderate? Why not just turn around and spit in my meal while you're at it.
Another wannabe western Korean fan-boy has flashed across my Facebook feed - 올리버 쌤.Why are these guys [why, just guys?] all following the same doting-on-Korea love fest?Dokdo? Check!Weird cosplaying? CheckWeird voice acting? CheckDo you know these "unique" manners? CheckGenerally annoying face? CheckSome of his content is good but still..annoying face.
I never imagined I'd rant about something like this. The air conditioner in our Teacher's Room is running on a low temp setting, and It's Cold in Here! I expected it to be hot/warm as always, and wore a skirt and thin shirt. Now I wish I'd worn a shrug or cardigan with it. My legs are freezing, too. Not sure if I should complain too much. It could feel like Hell in here tomorrow.