I agree. I'm trying to get out of it the Korean way first - being passive aggressive about it.I'm hoping that because I basically said: "You do the extra work for it and I'll come and present it" that they won't be willing to do that extra work, so I won't have to do it.If they still volunteer me to do it, I'll just "forget" on a regular basis and tell them that I don't want, or have, to do it. They are also only my travel school, so there is really nothing that they can do if I refuse.FYI, I haven't done it yet. When I got told about it / when I questioned them on it, it happened during the period they want me to do it in, but were surprised I hadn't been showing up regularly. I'm pretty much mentally checked out now as well. I still act professional and put hard work into my lessons, but I don't really want to do more than the minimum required of me, meaning - nothing extra outside of my scheduled lessons.
It's HARDER for women to get sex is what I'm saying. Or equal. Women have got to work harder for it.
Absolutely seething after class with my CT from heck. She called me at friggin 8:15 to make sure I was coming into work (even tho I've never been sick at that school) then comes into class 5 minutes before the class starts, decides she doesn't like my game that she's had a week to look over and wants me to change it on 5 minutes notice. I stood my ground and we played it kind of. She proceeds to talk over me in Korean while I'm explaining it"nothing new" and tells the kids something totally different. Anyways they end up playing not really a game after I tried to pull her aside and tell her that her translation was off. We fixed it for the second class. Third and 4th periods went well until she decides to give me advice that we need to do more exciting games that are speaking lessons but we can't have the students talking because they're too loud. "What kind of games do you suggest then?" I said. "games that the students think fun but no speaking because the fat boy too loud in games. so exciting so they listen and no talking because they too loud." is the reply I got.....Currently still seething.....
Hard for you to get laid? That's too bad but life doesn't OWE you sex.
If you're a gross guy with a shitty personality, maybe. I've known plenty of guys who truly don't need to resort to desperate tactics in order to get some. Women just like them as they are. It's not some sad game of numbers for them. And then there are other guys who aren't so suave and they still don't go around propositioning uninterested women. So I don't really see what your point has to do with anything.Hard for you to get laid? That's too bad but life doesn't OWE you sex. You don't have to become a shitty person just because you want some and can't get it whenever/wherever you want.
Quote from: kriztee on April 04, 2017, 12:00:17 pmAbsolutely seething after class with my CT from heck. She called me at friggin 8:15 to make sure I was coming into work (even tho I've never been sick at that school) then comes into class 5 minutes before the class starts, decides she doesn't like my game that she's had a week to look over and wants me to change it on 5 minutes notice. I stood my ground and we played it kind of. She proceeds to talk over me in Korean while I'm explaining it"nothing new" and tells the kids something totally different. Anyways they end up playing not really a game after I tried to pull her aside and tell her that her translation was off. We fixed it for the second class. Third and 4th periods went well until she decides to give me advice that we need to do more exciting games that are speaking lessons but we can't have the students talking because they're too loud. "What kind of games do you suggest then?" I said. "games that the students think fun but no speaking because the fat boy too loud in games. so exciting so they listen and no talking because they too loud." is the reply I got.....Currently still seething.....I know this is a ranting section, but devil's advocate here...Take a step back.Your coteacher called you to make sure you weren't going to be absent today (I take it you were absent yesterday from your other school or have been sick).Do you consider 8:15 early?One would hope you would be out the door long before that, as school starts at 8:40am, no?Why not change the game?I, like you, used to prefer to do things my way, but over the past few years, I have put more and more of the decision-making onto the Korean teachers.I mean, we are the "assistants", if they want it done THEIR way, so be it.Try doing what she says for a change, and if you still aren't understanding her, ask her to model it for you during your next class together.There is no point in beating your head against a brick wall, so to speak.Try being agreeable and see how that works out for you.It isn't personal. She wants to make things better for the students, so why not follow her lead?Good luck.
Quote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 12:51:00 pmQuote from: Mister Tim on April 04, 2017, 12:40:31 pmQuote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:44:01 amQuote from: kyndo on April 04, 2017, 10:34:22 amQuote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:09:23 amCo-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to itthough.The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. Lol I thought that too! and only reinforced the info of "it's illegal to do this in Korea."AFAIK, the issue is that at many (most?) schools, the kindergarten is actually a separate entity from the rest of the school. They might be in a building that's attached to the school, but they're technically not the same employer (perhaps they aren't even under the purview of the local POE, but that's just guesswork on my part). That means that doing work for them in addition to your school counts as working for multiple employers, which is a violation of the terms of your visa.I was in the same situation once. I actually taught at the Kindy attached to my main school for a full year, but then when I randomly mentioned it at an NET meeting early the following year, my POE liaison was like "Uh... what?", and explained why that's a no-no. My school was resistant at first when I said I had to stop ("What's wrong? Don't you like the children?"), but I insisted. Sh!tty thing is I actually did like those kids. They were my favorite classes. It was a bummer having to stop teaching them, but it'd have been an even bigger bummer to somehow get on a spiteful person's bad side and be reported for visa violations.Oo. Yeah, the kindergarten is just in a regular classroom on the first floor of the school.The school is really, really tiny. While I enjoy interacting with the students, I see them at lunchtime most days I'm there, I just don't want to do the additional classes; especially not if it's "off the record."You can easily get out of this without pissing anyone off:- Explain that anything in violation of your contract risks you losing your job.- You're also afraid of any liability issuesDON'T ever believe they don't know it's illegal. Some Korean staff will feign ignorance, guilt trip, suck up and manipulate you to do extra work... Usually so they don't have to. Once you crumble, they'll load more work on your shoulders and it'll be tougher to get out of.As a last resort, simply say you'll give the POE a call and they can clear up any confusion. I knew someone who, when they first came to Korea, got placed in a rural school and was given a schedule of 27 classes a week, without overtime! They even wanted this NET to have 'conversation time' with the students, for 30min during lunch! I told the newbie that they were being taken for a ride, but the CT had her guilt trip hooks stuck in deep. The CT would say "Oh, the previous NET did it.", "The principal will be unhappy if you don't do it." etc.After transferring, the NET learned that said school only wanted young, fresh, female NETs, no points for guessing why and that everyone either transferred out of that school or didn't renew their contract.
Quote from: Mister Tim on April 04, 2017, 12:40:31 pmQuote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:44:01 amQuote from: kyndo on April 04, 2017, 10:34:22 amQuote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:09:23 amCo-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to itthough.The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. Lol I thought that too! and only reinforced the info of "it's illegal to do this in Korea."AFAIK, the issue is that at many (most?) schools, the kindergarten is actually a separate entity from the rest of the school. They might be in a building that's attached to the school, but they're technically not the same employer (perhaps they aren't even under the purview of the local POE, but that's just guesswork on my part). That means that doing work for them in addition to your school counts as working for multiple employers, which is a violation of the terms of your visa.I was in the same situation once. I actually taught at the Kindy attached to my main school for a full year, but then when I randomly mentioned it at an NET meeting early the following year, my POE liaison was like "Uh... what?", and explained why that's a no-no. My school was resistant at first when I said I had to stop ("What's wrong? Don't you like the children?"), but I insisted. Sh!tty thing is I actually did like those kids. They were my favorite classes. It was a bummer having to stop teaching them, but it'd have been an even bigger bummer to somehow get on a spiteful person's bad side and be reported for visa violations.Oo. Yeah, the kindergarten is just in a regular classroom on the first floor of the school.The school is really, really tiny. While I enjoy interacting with the students, I see them at lunchtime most days I'm there, I just don't want to do the additional classes; especially not if it's "off the record."
Quote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:44:01 amQuote from: kyndo on April 04, 2017, 10:34:22 amQuote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:09:23 amCo-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to itthough.The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. Lol I thought that too! and only reinforced the info of "it's illegal to do this in Korea."AFAIK, the issue is that at many (most?) schools, the kindergarten is actually a separate entity from the rest of the school. They might be in a building that's attached to the school, but they're technically not the same employer (perhaps they aren't even under the purview of the local POE, but that's just guesswork on my part). That means that doing work for them in addition to your school counts as working for multiple employers, which is a violation of the terms of your visa.I was in the same situation once. I actually taught at the Kindy attached to my main school for a full year, but then when I randomly mentioned it at an NET meeting early the following year, my POE liaison was like "Uh... what?", and explained why that's a no-no. My school was resistant at first when I said I had to stop ("What's wrong? Don't you like the children?"), but I insisted. Sh!tty thing is I actually did like those kids. They were my favorite classes. It was a bummer having to stop teaching them, but it'd have been an even bigger bummer to somehow get on a spiteful person's bad side and be reported for visa violations.
Quote from: kyndo on April 04, 2017, 10:34:22 amQuote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:09:23 amCo-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to itthough.The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. Lol I thought that too! and only reinforced the info of "it's illegal to do this in Korea."
Quote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 10:09:23 amCo-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to itthough.The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it.
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to itthough.
Quote from: Kayos on April 04, 2017, 12:43:37 pmI agree. I'm trying to get out of it the Korean way first - being passive aggressive about it.I'm hoping that because I basically said: "You do the extra work for it and I'll come and present it" that they won't be willing to do that extra work, so I won't have to do it.If they still volunteer me to do it, I'll just "forget" on a regular basis and tell them that I don't want, or have, to do it. They are also only my travel school, so there is really nothing that they can do if I refuse.FYI, I haven't done it yet. When I got told about it / when I questioned them on it, it happened during the period they want me to do it in, but were surprised I hadn't been showing up regularly. I'm pretty much mentally checked out now as well. I still act professional and put hard work into my lessons, but I don't really want to do more than the minimum required of me, meaning - nothing extra outside of my scheduled lessons. if you end up doing these classes i would definitely negotiate for some 'off the record' benefit. like leaving an hour early that day or something, off the record so it's not recorded on NEIS.
@Pecan One of my middle schools starts at 8:35am, my other middle school and two elementary schools start at 9:00am. (Though everyone typically shows up earlier than the start time) I would wager that Kriztee's school probably starts at 9:00am though I could very well be wrong.
Quote from: yirj17 on April 04, 2017, 02:46:21 pm@Pecan One of my middle schools starts at 8:35am, my other middle school and two elementary schools start at 9:00am. (Though everyone typically shows up earlier than the start time) I would wager that Kriztee's school probably starts at 9:00am though I could very well be wrong. Yeah we start at 9. This CT is crazy tho and calls me while I'm teaching class in my other schools because she wants me to edit her thesis paper and when I don't answer because I'm teaching, she'll call the school to make sure I'm there.
Quote from: Pecan on April 04, 2017, 02:37:12 pmQuote from: kriztee on April 04, 2017, 12:00:17 pmAbsolutely seething after class with my CT from heck. She called me at friggin 8:15 to make sure I was coming into work (even tho I've never been sick at that school) then comes into class 5 minutes before the class starts, decides she doesn't like my game that she's had a week to look over and wants me to change it on 5 minutes notice. I stood my ground and we played it kind of. She proceeds to talk over me in Korean while I'm explaining it"nothing new" and tells the kids something totally different. Anyways they end up playing not really a game after I tried to pull her aside and tell her that her translation was off. We fixed it for the second class. Third and 4th periods went well until she decides to give me advice that we need to do more exciting games that are speaking lessons but we can't have the students talking because they're too loud. "What kind of games do you suggest then?" I said. "games that the students think fun but no speaking because the fat boy too loud in games. so exciting so they listen and no talking because they too loud." is the reply I got.....Currently still seething.....I know this is a ranting section, but devil's advocate here...Take a step back.Your coteacher called you to make sure you weren't going to be absent today (I take it you were absent yesterday from your other school or have been sick).Do you consider 8:15 early?One would hope you would be out the door long before that, as school starts at 8:40am, no?Why not change the game?I, like you, used to prefer to do things my way, but over the past few years, I have put more and more of the decision-making onto the Korean teachers.I mean, we are the "assistants", if they want it done THEIR way, so be it.Try doing what she says for a change, and if you still aren't understanding her, ask her to model it for you during your next class together.There is no point in beating your head against a brick wall, so to speak.Try being agreeable and see how that works out for you.It isn't personal. She wants to make things better for the students, so why not follow her lead?Good luck.I haven't been sick. She calls every morning I work at that school to make sure I'm coming in as if she doesn't trust that I'm coming in. The issue with changing the game was she wanted an entirely different game made 5 minutes before class when she okayed the plan the week before. The issue is that IF she gives guidance it makes no sense. She wants a speaking lesson where the students don't speak. I asked her several times if she had any games in mind and she keeps telling me the same thing. I ask what games worked well with the students last year and she tells me I need to make my own plans. If you could meet this woman you'd understand. I work with 11 other coteachers this year. None of them give me problems. I'm able to work out what they want done even the ones with very little English skills. Her issue is that when it comes to my lessons she doesn't let me explain the activity rules to her or the class. She looks at the title and starts speaking in Korean to the students and instructing them to do something entirely different from what I planned. So I asked her if there's time for us to go over plans together. She told me to come in early (I have 2 schools on Tuesdays and I have to leave immediately after we teach so that I can go to my next school and not be late) so I show up early and she's not there. She's not asking me to be an assistant. She wants me to plan an entire lesson and not use the book. Fine. But then she wants me to change half the plan with 5 minutes notice because she was late. Not fine. Especially when I send her my plans days in advance.
Quote from: kriztee on April 04, 2017, 03:07:54 pmQuote from: Pecan on April 04, 2017, 02:37:12 pmQuote from: kriztee on April 04, 2017, 12:00:17 pmAbsolutely seething after class with my CT from heck. She called me at friggin 8:15 to make sure I was coming into work (even tho I've never been sick at that school) then comes into class 5 minutes before the class starts, decides she doesn't like my game that she's had a week to look over and wants me to change it on 5 minutes notice. I stood my ground and we played it kind of. She proceeds to talk over me in Korean while I'm explaining it"nothing new" and tells the kids something totally different. Anyways they end up playing not really a game after I tried to pull her aside and tell her that her translation was off. We fixed it for the second class. Third and 4th periods went well until she decides to give me advice that we need to do more exciting games that are speaking lessons but we can't have the students talking because they're too loud. "What kind of games do you suggest then?" I said. "games that the students think fun but no speaking because the fat boy too loud in games. so exciting so they listen and no talking because they too loud." is the reply I got.....Currently still seething.....I know this is a ranting section, but devil's advocate here...Take a step back.Your coteacher called you to make sure you weren't going to be absent today (I take it you were absent yesterday from your other school or have been sick).Do you consider 8:15 early?One would hope you would be out the door long before that, as school starts at 8:40am, no?Why not change the game?I, like you, used to prefer to do things my way, but over the past few years, I have put more and more of the decision-making onto the Korean teachers.I mean, we are the "assistants", if they want it done THEIR way, so be it.Try doing what she says for a change, and if you still aren't understanding her, ask her to model it for you during your next class together.There is no point in beating your head against a brick wall, so to speak.Try being agreeable and see how that works out for you.It isn't personal. She wants to make things better for the students, so why not follow her lead?Good luck.I haven't been sick. She calls every morning I work at that school to make sure I'm coming in as if she doesn't trust that I'm coming in. The issue with changing the game was she wanted an entirely different game made 5 minutes before class when she okayed the plan the week before. The issue is that IF she gives guidance it makes no sense. She wants a speaking lesson where the students don't speak. I asked her several times if she had any games in mind and she keeps telling me the same thing. I ask what games worked well with the students last year and she tells me I need to make my own plans. If you could meet this woman you'd understand. I work with 11 other coteachers this year. None of them give me problems. I'm able to work out what they want done even the ones with very little English skills. Her issue is that when it comes to my lessons she doesn't let me explain the activity rules to her or the class. She looks at the title and starts speaking in Korean to the students and instructing them to do something entirely different from what I planned. So I asked her if there's time for us to go over plans together. She told me to come in early (I have 2 schools on Tuesdays and I have to leave immediately after we teach so that I can go to my next school and not be late) so I show up early and she's not there. She's not asking me to be an assistant. She wants me to plan an entire lesson and not use the book. Fine. But then she wants me to change half the plan with 5 minutes notice because she was late. Not fine. Especially when I send her my plans days in advance.Oh... I feel your pain. I feel it deep and real. DEEP. I had a CT like this. She was my only CT. 5 hellish days a week. I have no advice. I never found a solution with mine. I transferred out when my contract was up.
But I honestly don't believe you. I think you know you can get laid without offending random people, but y'all are so desperate and impatient that you don't care.
You don't want to wait until the next weekend to meet someone who flirts back so you just go around harassing people so you can get laid that NIGHT. It's nothing but pure entitlement.
Quote from: kriztee on April 04, 2017, 03:13:39 pmQuote from: yirj17 on April 04, 2017, 02:46:21 pm@Pecan One of my middle schools starts at 8:35am, my other middle school and two elementary schools start at 9:00am. (Though everyone typically shows up earlier than the start time) I would wager that Kriztee's school probably starts at 9:00am though I could very well be wrong. Yeah we start at 9. This CT is crazy tho and calls me while I'm teaching class in my other schools because she wants me to edit her thesis paper and when I don't answer because I'm teaching, she'll call the school to make sure I'm there. WTF. What a bizarro! Whomever answers the phone at your school has gotta be like "wtf." That CT sounds like a right pill.
This may be your reality, but it's not everyone's! I don't know why you're having such a hard time admitting some men don't have to beg women for sex and some even *gasp* get to be selective! I do not care about the odds or imagined statistics. It's definitely not as hard for all guys to get laid as you're claiming it is. Maybe for you and your friends that's the case, but some guys have the minimal cognitive ability necessary for flirting. Some have the good sense the lord gave them and don't ask uninterested women to **** them out of the blue. (There it is, using an anecdote in lieu of logic. It's not as hard for ALL guys. This shows you are statistically illiterate.) I've seen it happen, guys can get laid without breaching any boundaries of respect or common decency (I've seen it happen! My cool guy friend got laid!) This is not a fairy tale. All guys all the time? No. But so what? I personally don't go around asking for things unless I think I deserve them. (I did this. I'm an idiot. This is not the argument that is being made.) The fact that you guys are even bringing up the "ease" of scoring as a possible reason why you would feel the need to go around propositioning random uninterested women leads one to believe that you think this is only a natural and logical reaction. But I honestly don't believe you. I think you know you can get laid without offending random people, but y'all are so desperate and impatient that you don't care. You don't want to wait until the next weekend to meet someone who flirts back so you just go around harassing people so you can get laid that NIGHT. It's nothing but pure entitlement. (Like I said before, it was a drunken, idiot mistake because I'm depressed as hell right now. That doesn't make it right, and it's not an excuse. But again, The Arm said that it's easier for women and I'm agreeing with him.) Anyway, fact that you're talking about all of this in such a banal, stereotypical, cavemannish sort of way (women are the gate keepers of sex? come on dude.. lame) makes it pretty obvious you can't relate to women on any human level (How can you say this to someone? You don't know shit about me) and you're just going to keep seeing it as a numbers game of which you are forever the loser. Good luck with that.
Ever heard of a little something called BLUE BALLS, lady? Jeez. Get with it.