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  • yirj17
  • The Legend

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    • September 16, 2015, 02:23:16 am
    • Korealand
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4080 on: March 14, 2017, 06:16:33 pm »
Maybe my expectations of people are a bit too high, but (and this is just my opinion) I don't think you can blame your school. I mean, knowing where Spain, Sicily and Brazil is on a map is something you learn by just being alive.

You are of course welcome to have your opinion. I meant more in terms of actually learning about culture (for example, I learned about various Asian cultures via reading in my free time, learned scarcely anything about Asian cultures in school), not simply pointing out the countries on a map. It may be that my memory is foggy but I feel that my knowledge of where other countries are located can be more attributed to looking at encyclopedias as a child rather than to my schooling. I also think it would have been great if learning a second language started at a much younger level. 

My main point is that some schools just may not put much emphasis on learning about other countries and while I think that it's a shame, I'm not really going to judge those who are ignorant about geography.

There are many people who may simply not be interested in geography whether or not it's taught in school. There's a wealth of knowledge in the world and it's likely many people are more intrigued by other things. And I'm sure there are things in my knowledge bank that some would think ought to be generally known whereas others would disagree.


  • Loki88
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    • July 25, 2014, 08:41:07 am
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4081 on: March 15, 2017, 01:12:15 am »
Koreans are known for being blunt, and sometimes you do have to laugh it off, but I don't know. I think I have to draw the line at comments about my family. Usually I try to be the perfect picture of a happy-go-lucky foreigner, a "happy virus" as the Koreans call it, because I don't want to give all of us a bad name. But honestly, I also don't want to perpetuate a notion that you can say whatever you want to foreigners and get away with it. That's a separate rant in itself: how to not give people like you a bad name, while also not sacrificing your dignity/values. Have not figured that out yet.

But yeah. Went basically like this, if you wanted elaboration:

[Talking about differences in medicine culture because he's trying to tell me to go to the doctor for a simple stye... Lull in the conversation, and then]
Him: Tell me honestly, did you actually go to church in America?
Me: Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12.
H: And did your parents live together before they were married?
M: Yes.
H: Oh, well good Christians don't do that.
M: [slipped into English because I was appalled] What?
H: Good Christians wait until after marriage to live together.
M: It doesn't say that in the Bible.
H: Huh? Bible? Ohhh-- Oh Bible... Well...
M: My parents are real Christians. Good Christians.
H: Oh...
[Awkward silence. He hits his thigh with his fist like he always does when he doesn't like the quiet.]
H: In Korea, Christians--
M: --are different. Because of the different cultures.
[More silence.]
M: Do you know Catholic?
H: Yes.
M: Do you know the Pope?
H: Pope? Pope... No, I don't know the Pope.
M: Ohhh. Okay.
[Then we had to go our separate ways anyway.]

Mind you... he had ample opportunity to tell me if I misunderstood, or if he didn't mean it in a bad way, didn't have ill intentions, etc. A simple "Wait, hold on, you're not understanding me--" would have made me write it all off as a language barrier thing. But he didn't.

Granted... I get that he's trying to "take care of" me. I really get it. But there's a line to be drawn there, too. I'm an adult. Yes, a young one, but still an adult. It'd be different if I was going out drinking to excess, ending up passed out in a bus shelter... Yeah, okay. Give me a lecture and try to change my ways, then. But plenty of people live together before getting married and are completely normal people, lead normal lives. It doesn't hurt anyone. It won't hurt me if it ever even happens. (Spoiler alert: I don't even have a boyfriend.) I'm not out here trying to change the Korean masses into co-habiting, sex-crazed fiends. (Which I've explained to him before it has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with wanting to make sure my s/o and I would be compatible living together.) It's really not his business in the first place, and disrespecting my parents in the pursuit of changing my mind makes me doubly annoyed.

Anyway. I'm probably going to act like it didn't happen, unless he decides to talk about it. (Doubt it. Saving face and all.) If he does, I'll just be honest and tell him I don't want to talk about the co-habiting topic anymore. That's reasonable enough. Avoid future issues and all, right?

I can only speak for my school but we all signed papers ackowledging that we had been informed to not discriminate either students or co-workers based on their religion.

I'd recommend just saying you don't talk about religion at work in future situations and then immediately move the convo elsewhere.


  • kriztee
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    • December 18, 2015, 01:33:06 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4082 on: March 15, 2017, 12:14:12 pm »
Maybe my expectations of people are a bit too high, but (and this is just my opinion) I don't think you can blame your school. I mean, knowing where Spain, Sicily and Brazil is on a map is something you learn by just being alive.

You are of course welcome to have your opinion. I meant more in terms of actually learning about culture (for example, I learned about various Asian cultures via reading in my free time, learned scarcely anything about Asian cultures in school), not simply pointing out the countries on a map. It may be that my memory is foggy but I feel that my knowledge of where other countries are located can be more attributed to looking at encyclopedias as a child rather than to my schooling. I also think it would have been great if learning a second language started at a much younger level. 

My main point is that some schools just may not put much emphasis on learning about other countries and while I think that it's a shame, I'm not really going to judge those who are ignorant about geography.

There are many people who may simply not be interested in geography whether or not it's taught in school. There's a wealth of knowledge in the world and it's likely many people are more intrigued by other things. And I'm sure there are things in my knowledge bank that some would think ought to be generally known whereas others would disagree.

Yeah if someone's not interested in Geography or travelling then chances are they're not going to be able to point to a place on the map. All I remember from geography in school is that Great Bear Lake exists somewhere in Canada and it's either the biggest lake or big enough to be of note. And I know I'm awful world geography it but that's because
 A) I was a total jerkbag in school and didn't care/listen
and B) I only ever traveled to Florida from Canada before coming to Korea

Ask me about the world of Theadus and I can tell you exactly where the Tevinter Imperium is and about it's long history with blood magic. People have different interests and priorities. I'm not saying geography isn't important but chances are you don't remember it from school unless you were really interested in it.


  • keldule
  • Adventurer

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    • August 30, 2016, 07:32:16 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4083 on: March 15, 2017, 07:50:05 pm »
Maybe my expectations of people are a bit too high, but (and this is just my opinion) I don't think you can blame your school. I mean, knowing where Spain, Sicily and Brazil is on a map is something you learn by just being alive.

You are of course welcome to have your opinion. I meant more in terms of actually learning about culture (for example, I learned about various Asian cultures via reading in my free time, learned scarcely anything about Asian cultures in school), not simply pointing out the countries on a map. It may be that my memory is foggy but I feel that my knowledge of where other countries are located can be more attributed to looking at encyclopedias as a child rather than to my schooling. I also think it would have been great if learning a second language started at a much younger level. 

My main point is that some schools just may not put much emphasis on learning about other countries and while I think that it's a shame, I'm not really going to judge those who are ignorant about geography.

There are many people who may simply not be interested in geography whether or not it's taught in school. There's a wealth of knowledge in the world and it's likely many people are more intrigued by other things. And I'm sure there are things in my knowledge bank that some would think ought to be generally known whereas others would disagree.

Yeah if someone's not interested in Geography or travelling then chances are they're not going to be able to point to a place on the map. All I remember from geography in school is that Great Bear Lake exists somewhere in Canada and it's either the biggest lake or big enough to be of note. And I know I'm awful world geography it but that's because
 A) I was a total jerkbag in school and didn't care/listen
and B) I only ever traveled to Florida from Canada before coming to Korea

Ask me about the world of Theadus and I can tell you exactly where the Tevinter Imperium is and about it's long history with blood magic. People have different interests and priorities. I'm not saying geography isn't important but chances are you don't remember it from school unless you were really interested in it.

*Thedas

FTFY


lost.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2017, 11:10:03 pm by keldule »


  • kriztee
  • Expert Waygook

    • 764

    • December 18, 2015, 01:33:06 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4084 on: March 16, 2017, 07:31:13 am »
Maybe my expectations of people are a bit too high, but (and this is just my opinion) I don't think you can blame your school. I mean, knowing where Spain, Sicily and Brazil is on a map is something you learn by just being alive.

You are of course welcome to have your opinion. I meant more in terms of actually learning about culture (for example, I learned about various Asian cultures via reading in my free time, learned scarcely anything about Asian cultures in school), not simply pointing out the countries on a map. It may be that my memory is foggy but I feel that my knowledge of where other countries are located can be more attributed to looking at encyclopedias as a child rather than to my schooling. I also think it would have been great if learning a second language started at a much younger level. 

My main point is that some schools just may not put much emphasis on learning about other countries and while I think that it's a shame, I'm not really going to judge those who are ignorant about geography.

There are many people who may simply not be interested in geography whether or not it's taught in school. There's a wealth of knowledge in the world and it's likely many people are more intrigued by other things. And I'm sure there are things in my knowledge bank that some would think ought to be generally known whereas others would disagree.

Yeah if someone's not interested in Geography or travelling then chances are they're not going to be able to point to a place on the map. All I remember from geography in school is that Great Bear Lake exists somewhere in Canada and it's either the biggest lake or big enough to be of note. And I know I'm awful world geography it but that's because
 A) I was a total jerkbag in school and didn't care/listen
and B) I only ever traveled to Florida from Canada before coming to Korea

Ask me about the world of Theadus and I can tell you exactly where the Tevinter Imperium is and about it's long history with blood magic. People have different interests and priorities. I'm not saying geography isn't important but chances are you don't remember it from school unless you were really interested in it.

*Thedas

FTFY


lost.

Woah there little miss "I don't wanna play Dragon Age, Mass Effect is better cuz it has space BS" is not correcting me D:

P.s. I can't spell either so.... go enjoy your braces and lack of pizza school ;)


  • kriztee
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    • December 18, 2015, 01:33:06 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4085 on: March 16, 2017, 01:37:40 pm »
So I still haven't got my contract renewal bonus because my old school says my new school board should give it to me, the province says the old school should give it to me, and the new school board doesn't answer my messages :'(


  • yirj17
  • The Legend

    • 2782

    • September 16, 2015, 02:23:16 am
    • Korealand
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4086 on: March 16, 2017, 01:49:39 pm »
So I still haven't got my contract renewal bonus because my old school says my new school board should give it to me, the province says the old school should give it to me, and the new school board doesn't answer my messages :'(


Have you a coordinator whom you can ask for help?  Maybe start there and if nothing comes of it, "suggest" that you'll call the labor board then follow through if necessary. 

Don't let them drag it out as long as Imogen's school did!!


  • kriztee
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    • December 18, 2015, 01:33:06 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4087 on: March 16, 2017, 01:55:40 pm »
So I still haven't got my contract renewal bonus because my old school says my new school board should give it to me, the province says the old school should give it to me, and the new school board doesn't answer my messages :'(


Have you a coordinator whom you can ask for help?  Maybe start there and if nothing comes of it, "suggest" that you'll call the labor board then follow through if necessary. 

Don't let them drag it out as long as Imogen's school did!!

I did talk to a coordinator and she said they sent the money to my old school (i worked just for the school and not the actual school board of that city). The accounting dude is really good with English and I told him that the coordinator told me to ask the school for my money because it was sent to them to give to me. He checked and said they never received that amount, it should have been sent to my new office of education. That office messaged me once to tell me my schedule and has never replied to me again after that :'(

I'm not hurting for the money but I'd like it figured out cuz the exchange rate to Canada is decent right now XD


  • Kyndo
  • Moderator LVL 1

    • I am a geek!!

    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
    • Gyeongsangbuk-do
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4088 on: March 16, 2017, 02:02:53 pm »
I know about several other cases where this happened, and let me tell you, it was a pain to resolve.

 I have no proof, but I suspect that it is the new school that is responsible for the contract renewal. In EPIK, the renewal bonus is paid along with the first month's salary at the new school (or at least, part of it is: EPIK now pays only 1.3 the first month, and .7 at the half year mark. >:( )


  • Imogen1991
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1109

    • March 18, 2015, 12:26:47 am
    • Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4089 on: March 16, 2017, 02:03:32 pm »
So I still haven't got my contract renewal bonus because my old school says my new school board should give it to me, the province says the old school should give it to me, and the new school board doesn't answer my messages :'(


Have you a coordinator whom you can ask for help?  Maybe start there and if nothing comes of it, "suggest" that you'll call the labor board then follow through if necessary. 

Don't let them drag it out as long as Imogen's school did!!
:laugh: I love that I'm a cautionary tale now.

I agree with yirj though, when things get like this, the threat of the labour board is usually enough. If the threat doesn't work, then you should actually file a claim with them. I know it sounds dramatic but it's the only way to get things moving. I waited MONTHS for my housing deposit back after I left my school. I filed a claim with the labour board and the very same day it was processed my school contacted me to send me the money.


  • kriztee
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    • December 18, 2015, 01:33:06 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4090 on: March 16, 2017, 02:07:57 pm »
I know about several other cases where this happened, and let me tell you, it was a pain to resolve.

 I have no proof, but I suspect that it is the new school that is responsible for the contract renewal. In EPIK, the renewal bonus is paid along with the first month's salary at the new school (or at least, part of it is: EPIK now pays only 1.3 the first month, and .7 at the half year mark. >:( )

That's why I didn't bother them because I thought I'd get it with March's pay check but then my friends were talking about how they got their bonus and I was like WTF!? So I contacted the coordinator about it then. My last school assumed my new school board would have to pay it which is what I thought too.


  • Imogen1991
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    • March 18, 2015, 12:26:47 am
    • Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4091 on: March 16, 2017, 02:35:50 pm »

 :laugh: I love that I'm a cautionary tale now.


I tell my students if they don't brush their teeth, that Imogen will come through their window at night and steal their teeth.  You've never seen so many beaming smiles.   :shocked:

me irl



  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
    • Gyeongsangbuk-do
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4092 on: March 16, 2017, 03:10:46 pm »
That's why I didn't bother them because I thought I'd get it with March's pay check but then my friends were talking about how they got their bonus and I was like WTF!? So I contacted the coordinator about it then. My last school assumed my new school board would have to pay it which is what I thought too.

    Since EPIK teachers get paid on March 25th, I take it that you are not EPIK?
If so, your contract might be a bit different, but ours is very explicit about having our renewal bonus given to us in our first pay-cheque:
Quote
Article 10 (Renewal) Clause 3: The Employer (POE/MOE) shall provide the Employee with 1,300,00 Korean won ***which shall be paid within one month of the beginning of the new Term of Employment***...

     But if your coordinator said that they sent the moolah to your old school, then it sounds like somebody there isn't doing their job properly and that you might benefit from stopping by and waving your contract around a bit. See if you can get your coordinator to confirm that the money has been sent and get a copy of that in writing. If the school didn't receive it, have them put that down in writing, and send it to your coordinator (who will pass it along to the POE/MOE).

     I would recommend getting the POE/MOE involved before the Labour Board.


  • kriztee
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    • December 18, 2015, 01:33:06 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4093 on: March 16, 2017, 03:22:52 pm »
That's why I didn't bother them because I thought I'd get it with March's pay check but then my friends were talking about how they got their bonus and I was like WTF!? So I contacted the coordinator about it then. My last school assumed my new school board would have to pay it which is what I thought too.

    Since EPIK teachers get paid on March 25th, I take it that you are not EPIK?
If so, your contract might be a bit different, but ours is very explicit about having our renewal bonus given to us in our first pay-cheque:
Quote
Article 10 (Renewal) Clause 3: The Employer (POE/MOE) shall provide the Employee with 1,300,00 Korean won ***which shall be paid within one month of the beginning of the new Term of Employment***...

     But if your coordinator said that they sent the moolah to your old school, then it sounds like somebody there isn't doing their job properly and that you might benefit from stopping by and waving your contract around a bit. See if you can get your coordinator to confirm that the money has been sent and get a copy of that in writing. If the school didn't receive it, have them put that down in writing, and send it to your coordinator (who will pass it along to the POE/MOE).

     I would recommend getting the POE/MOE involved before the Labour Board.

Yeah I am EPIK but everyone I know who renewed in the province got their pay with their Feb pay. They were also all staying in the same cities tho and were paid by school boards not just one school. I've been texting the accountant from my old school about it and I know it's weird for that school cuz they do all the payments for the NET whereas every other school doesn't worry about it and they have someone at the school board who knows what's going on. I think I'm being too nice about it because I still talk to the accountant and my old CT. They're super nice and helped me move to my new city and everything so I don't think it's something they'redoing purposely but I kindda want my monies XD


  • grey
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4094 on: March 16, 2017, 03:35:27 pm »
I'm sorry about all your nosey coworkers. I made a lot of silly mistakes early on. After the first year I decided that they would know as little as possible.

Now no one knows my living situation, my address, my vacations, my likes and dislikes, etc, etc.
Ko fills half his luggage with instant noodles for his international business travels, a lesson he learned after assuming on his first trip that three packages would suffice for six days. “Man, was I wrong. Since then, I always make sure I pack enough.”
-AP


  • scpru
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    • October 03, 2016, 09:46:41 am
    • Samcheonpo
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4095 on: March 16, 2017, 03:38:53 pm »
Please don't explain American culture to me, Mr. Same Guy that Insulted My Parents. You said you've never been. You said you've only seen it on TV. Meanwhile I've lived there for all but one year of my life (this year in Korea), and I'm in contact with real Americans, not random Facebook scammers*, every day.

It's decided. This man needs to be a less frequent presence in my life. Time to grow distant slow enough that it's not immediately obvious that I don't like him.

*He keeps telling me about how the foreign women he talks to on Facebook all end up being scammers, idk.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2017, 03:40:47 pm by scpru »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4096 on: March 17, 2017, 08:11:28 am »
If anyone had told me all the teachers would be introducing themselves to the parents today in a big assembly I obviously wouldn't have dressed like it's a regular dress-down Friday.


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4097 on: March 17, 2017, 08:45:48 am »
If anyone had told me all the teachers would be introducing themselves to the parents today in a big assembly I obviously wouldn't have dressed like it's a regular dress-down Friday.
I didn't do laundry one day so I wore my Sinsa-dong tailored suit to school. It was a coincidence that it was "Take a professional photo of the teachers together and separately day."

My Co-T didn't tell me and then was surprised that I knew somehow. 


  • HaLo3
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 02, 2014, 08:19:08 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4098 on: March 17, 2017, 08:49:59 am »
If anyone had told me all the teachers would be introducing themselves to the parents today in a big assembly I obviously wouldn't have dressed like it's a regular dress-down Friday.
I didn't do laundry one day so I wore my Sinsa-dong tailored suit to school. It was a coincidence that it was "Take a professional photo of the teachers together and separately day."

My Co-T didn't tell me and then was surprised that I knew somehow.
It probably wasn't malicious, but that sounds so sneaky.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4099 on: March 17, 2017, 08:53:15 am »
If anyone had told me all the teachers would be introducing themselves to the parents today in a big assembly I obviously wouldn't have dressed like it's a regular dress-down Friday.

Sprint home and change.
By the time you get back, you'll look dapper and the pump from your sprint should still
be there ;D