RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

What I really don't understand is why people double down when you point out that they were in the wrong, or misunderstood something. Like once Chinguetti exhaustively explained the situation he could've been like "Oh wow, I'm sorry. That was inappropriate and not cool of me to say." instead of the standard "WELL, we can't REALLY know because we haven't heard HIS side of the story" 

Follow-up: I received a couple of nasty PMs from the guy. Not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish with that, but not one time did he ever admit that he was being a dick or that he should apologize for it. He just switched up who he was going to try to internet bully. xD

Whyyyy are people like this

I'm sorry he was a dick 

It's fine, I had myself a laugh and am now in the process of "moving on with my life."

What I really don't understand is why people double down when you point out that they were in the wrong, or misunderstood something. Like once Chinguetti exhaustively explained the situation he could've been like "Oh wow, I'm sorry. That was inappropriate and not cool of me to say." instead of the standard "WELL, we can't REALLY know because we haven't heard HIS side of the story" 

Follow-up: I received a couple of nasty PMs from the guy. Not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish with that, but not one time did he ever admit that he was being a dick or that he should apologize for it. He just switched up who he was going to try to internet bully. xD

Whyyyy are people like this

I'm sorry he was a dick 

It's fine, I had myself a laugh and am now in the process of "moving on with my life."

I called you out on why you think it's ok to troll and call others derogatory names, to which you respond by calling me derogatory names.

Oh, internet drama. I live for it.

When this whole tiff (kimchiyum vs moonbrie et al) started, I was initially thinking "Wow, this dude's a bit of a douche, isn't he." Then when he just doubled down instead of just admitting his mistake after things were clarified, I was just as annoyed and mystified as anyone else.

Then I got to thinking, though. People are saying he could've just been mature and admitted he was wrong, but was the initial response to him mature? When he jumped in and made a judgement without having the complete picture, two things could have happened:

1) Someone could've come in and calmly explained that he didn't have the whole picture, gave him a bit of backstory, then moved on. Or...

2) Someone could've come in all like "WTF dude you don't even know wtf you're talking about, don't rush to judgment because blablabla" in a fairly hostile manner.

Unfortunately, 2 is the tack that was taken, so his response afterwards is a little less surprising and a touch less unwarranted. We can't expect him to be calm and mature when calmness and maturity aren't what he was treated with to begin with.

Yes, his first comment was absolutely douchetastic, but he does have a point in saying that it isn't really reasonable to expect him to have the full backstory as presented over dozens of pages of a rant/vent megathread. People reacted without keeping that in mind, and then were surprised when he dug in his heels, which in retrospect is nearly as odd as his behavior seemed.

I'm not defending his initial comment here, of course. It was pretty tactless and uppitty, and taking it to nasty PMs kinda supports the idea that maybe he's just a bit of a douche. I just have more time than I know what to do with this week, so I thought I'd blabber on for a bit about the whole interaction.

Wow, someone reasonable. Thanks Mister Tim, even though you think I'm douchey! I'll get over that! To clear my name from the lies that Chinguetti has spread about me, let me explain myself. It feels like anytime I go on this thread, I see that girl (yirj17) talk about "creepo admin guy" and mock him for stuff that seems pretty normal, it sounds like he is just being friendly to her. It seemed childish to me. Hence my childish remark. However, when she explained her story, I didn't even get a second to comment back as Chinguetti started attacking me saying that I should let that girl just f**king rant and how dare I not read all of the posts to get the full picture. She then gloats about how she has flung a steaming pile of s*** on me in the PMs, calls me a dick, a hypocrite, I'm 100% wrong, yada yada yada. Not once did I name call... Ok, well I just sent "trashy" back. But I'm sorry, if someone can't even be questioned about something that they post about on this without everyone getting up in arms, what's the point. Is the forum that devoid of any critical thinking... I give up.

@Mister Tim: Fair thoughts, though I think the judgmental tone in the initial comment just set up the dominoes for all else that happened.

I of course don't expect anyone here to remember or look up posting history, but when someone makes a comment, I don't automatically jump to conclusions... If anything, I would wonder what the backstory might be or if there's pieces I'm unaware of.

It's a ranting thread, so I was just whinging about an annoying thing and didn't feel the need to provide context. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@kimchiyum

actually, you probably missed the all the severe complaints. All that got lost when the previous ranting thread got deleted.

In summation, dude was hella creepy when I first got here, crossed boundaries (even the educational coordinator agreed the behavior was inappropriate), and so unfortunately anything that would seem like innocent questions or behavior from literally anyone else just gives me bad vibes and suspicion when coming from him. All I would like is for him to completely leave me alone. I thought he was just being friendly at first too. I was horribly mistaken, so now I don't want to give him any reason to think he could try his shenanigans again. Does that better explain things?

I'm sorry he was bothering you. It's not a nice situation to be. Thanks for taking the time and effort to message me, sorry for doubting you Yirj17

Hey, a clean resolution to an internet misunderstanding! That's pretty sweet. Now back to the daily deskwarming.

Had to tell the kids I'll be changing cities next school year. They're pretty bummed. Stupid school board refusing to give me housing allowance and making up crap about the contract that isn't real... Wouldda stayed if they didn't try to force me into moldy bug town while telling me I most likely wouldn't get to keep my school...

Eh, clean enough. xD

Unfortunately, 2 is the tack that was taken, so his response afterwards is a little less surprising and a touch less unwarranted. We can't expect him to be calm and mature when calmness and maturity aren't what he was treated with to begin with.

Yes, his first comment was absolutely douchetastic, but he does have a point in saying that it isn't really reasonable to expect him to have the full backstory as presented over dozens of pages of a rant/vent megathread. People reacted without keeping that in mind, and then were surprised when he dug in his heels, which in retrospect is nearly as odd as his behavior seemed.

I'm not defending his initial comment here, of course. It was pretty tactless and uppitty, and taking it to nasty PMs kinda supports the idea that maybe he's just a bit of a douche. I just have more time than I know what to do with this week, so I thought I'd blabber on for a bit about the whole interaction.

Here's the thing, no one was expecting him to do that. The expectation was that he shouldn't jump to a completely unsupported conclusion without asking for details, like any normal person would, especially since this is the rant thread, but he chose to ignore that and instead launched right into attack mode. Then he was shocked when someone decided to step into the ring with him and give him a dose of his own bullshit?

While it's true I could have used more tact, I didn't and still don't feel he deserved it, especially when he chose to question yirj17's honesty rather than admit that he'd made a serious error in judgement and continued to go on to try to justify it. His approach was completely inappropriate and tacky, and I wasn't going to show him any consideration if he couldn't provide the same.

All the same, I'm happy to leave this where it is and will ignore him on this matter from here and out, PMs included.

In other news, camp is still hell. I mean the kids are enjoying their activities, but it's just so much work for me. Between keeping constant surveillance and running interference and managing damage control while keeping the place CLEAN, I've been mentally exhausted. I don't think I'll be repeating these activities without a coT in the future. Sure, it's fun, but I feel like someone stuck me in a bag and slammed me against the wall a few times.

I am feeling like this. Grade 1&2 camps are over, now into 8 days of Grade 3's and 4's in the morning and Grade 5's and 6's in the afternoon. Giant classes too, way too many kids have signed up..... That first day of desk warming is going to be so sweet after all this! Soooooo sweet!

Omfg camp was a nightmare today.  It's 4 hours of me alone with them but today the English teachers weren't even here to pop their heads in once every two hours.  Games were impossible because the kids were so nuts today and the display screen isn't working.  So I said we should watch a movie.  But they argued they wanted to play board games because some of them have badminton camp the rest of the week.  So I let them play monopoly but the boys were going nuts and stealing money and being insane so the girls quit and then there was 30 minutes left which wasn't enough time to start a movie and they said "teacher break time?" and I said uhh okay and came to my desk for ten minutes, figuring I'd go back up and let them go early.  But the little brats refused and demanded we play a game for the last 15 minutes 

All of these camp stories tell me that if I get moved to elementary in March, I'll probably just quite and go home.

The above story is middle, btw.

Omfg camp was a nightmare today.  It's 4 hours of me alone with them but today the English teachers weren't even here to pop their heads in once every two hours.  Games were impossible because the kids were so nuts today and the display screen isn't working.  So I said we should watch a movie.  But they argued they wanted to play board games because some of them have badminton camp the rest of the week.  So I let them play monopoly but the boys were going nuts and stealing money and being insane so the girls quit and then there was 30 minutes left which wasn't enough time to start a movie and they said "teacher break time?" and I said uhh okay and came to my desk for ten minutes, figuring I'd go back up and let them go early.  But the little brats refused and demanded we play a game for the last 15 minutes 

Surprisingly, my camp this winter break is going smoothly (or at least, as smoothly as is possible with crazy kids) but this is exactly the reason I would literally prefer two, hell, even three, months of deskwarming to two weeks of camp. If camp is hell and vacation (or leaving right after camp/class) is heaven, then deskwarming is purgatory and I will take that any day over one more day of camp.

The above story is middle, btw.

Then in that case...

All of these camp stories tell me that if I get moved to elementary or middle in March, I'll probably just quite and go home.

 

Yes I'm teaching in a technical high school in Busan.

The level is very low but that's not a bad thing really.  The students are very respectful.  I've never had any problems with behaviour, ever. 

Although having to do camps in general is annoying, I feel lucky in that I don't have to do things like painting, cooking, crafts, general babysitting because I know I'd be TERRIBLE at that.

Try to get into a high school if you can 

The above story is middle, btw.

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Eh, clean enough. xD

Unfortunately, 2 is the tack that was taken, so his response afterwards is a little less surprising and a touch less unwarranted. We can't expect him to be calm and mature when calmness and maturity aren't what he was treated with to begin with.

Yes, his first comment was absolutely douchetastic, but he does have a point in saying that it isn't really reasonable to expect him to have the full backstory as presented over dozens of pages of a rant/vent megathread. People reacted without keeping that in mind, and then were surprised when he dug in his heels, which in retrospect is nearly as odd as his behavior seemed.

I'm not defending his initial comment here, of course. It was pretty tactless and uppitty, and taking it to nasty PMs kinda supports the idea that maybe he's just a bit of a douche. I just have more time than I know what to do with this week, so I thought I'd blabber on for a bit about the whole interaction.

Here's the thing, no one was expecting him to do that. The expectation was that he shouldn't jump to a completely unsupported conclusion without asking for details, like any normal person would, especially since this is the rant thread, but he chose to ignore that and instead launched right into attack mode. Then he was shocked when someone decided to step into the ring with him and give him a dose of his own bullshit?

While it's true I could have used more tact, I didn't and still don't feel he deserved it, especially when he chose to question yirj17's honesty rather than admit that he'd made a serious error in judgement and continued to go on to try to justify it. His approach was completely inappropriate and tacky, and I wasn't going to show him any consideration if he couldn't provide the same.

All the same, I'm happy to leave this where it is and will ignore him on this matter from here and out, PMs included.

Oh, I don't think your reaction was unjustified at all. I just don't think it was helpful, either.