RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Kids can't have knives for the cooking class in winter camp, but they can have box cutters in their pencil cases.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

It is because it doesn't, and you are wrong.

It is German.

It has nothing to do with Japan.

Why do you think that it does?

"....is certainly from German Arbeit, but the Japanese brought it to Korea"

Ho-Min Sohn is a well-respected academic. I'm goin with him

u were sayin?

Kids can't have knives for the cooking class in winter camp, but they can have box cutters in their pencil cases.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Kids cutting themselves due to a careless school policy, is far different than you and your coteacher shouldering the burden of responsibility for allowing knives to be used during your English camp.

Thank her.

Side of caution...

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

It is because it doesn't, and you are wrong.

It is German.

It has nothing to do with Japan.

Why do you think that it does?

You will find many of the borrowed words in Korean (from Euro languages) came via Japan.

빵 from the Japanese パン Pan from the Portuguese Pão.

Don't be such an angry little man.

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

It is because it doesn't, and you are wrong.

It is German.

It has nothing to do with Japan.

Why do you think that it does?

"....is certainly from German Arbeit, but the Japanese brought it to Korea"

Ho-Min Sohn is a well-respected academic. I'm goin with him

u were sayin?

I'm sticking with Dick! ;)

http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/dicks-17/

It is German, not Japanese, nor Konglish.

Make the same claim about a word like "fighting" and I would agree with you on all accounts, but not arbeit.

Kids can't have knives for the cooking class in winter camp, but they can have box cutters in their pencil cases.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Kids cutting themselves due to a careless school policy, is far different than you and your coteacher shouldering the burden of responsibility for allowing knives to be used during your English camp.

Thank her.

Side of caution...

Yeah less of a risk of cutting themselves is always a good thing. I understand her annoyance though because it does (to me, at least) seem irritating for them to say one thing but be fine with something else that's basically the same. No one in our school is allowed to do anything with food anymore, because the principal is worried about their health. This is the same school that doesn't have toilet paper or soap in any of the bathrooms, and where teachers come to school sick and with a fever.

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

It is because it doesn't, and you are wrong.

It is German.

It has nothing to do with Japan.

Why do you think that it does?

"....is certainly from German Arbeit, but the Japanese brought it to Korea"

Ho-Min Sohn is a well-respected academic. I'm goin with him

u were sayin?

I'm sticking with Dick! ;)

http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/dicks-17/

It is German, not Japanese, nor Konglish.

Make the same claim about a word like "fighting" and I would agree with you on all accounts, but not arbeit.

No one is disputing it is German. The Japanese borrowed it from German, incorporated it into their language and then introduced it into Korean some time later.

German->Japanese->Korean

Without the Japanese part of the flow chart the word would not be used in Korea.

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

It is because it doesn't, and you are wrong.

It is German.

It has nothing to do with Japan.

Why do you think that it does?

"....is certainly from German Arbeit, but the Japanese brought it to Korea"

Ho-Min Sohn is a well-respected academic. I'm goin with him

u were sayin?

I'm sticking with Dick! ;)

http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/dicks-17/

It is German, not Japanese, nor Konglish.

Make the same claim about a word like "fighting" and I would agree with you on all accounts, but not arbeit.

A) We're all in agreement that it's German. But it was introduced to Korea by the Japanese.
B) You are citing an entertainment website, not an academic source.

I spent all afternoon yesterday making wassail to bring for all the teachers to try, and I brought it today because my coteacher said there was a meeting. I figured that would be the perfect time to share it, so I lug the drink to school only to find out this afternoon that there’s no meeting today. Surprise! Why do I still believe anything anyone says. Why do I try to do nice things when it never seems to work out.

Imagine literally citing eatyourkimchi for anything.

Pecan doesn't annoy me nearly as much as he seems to annoy other people but this right here was truly a disgrace lmao

One of the most well-published Korean Language academics vs EYK

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm 

 

What can I say?

Sorry.

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

The funny thing is, my students, and (most) of my co-teachers love Japan. I have students that try to be funny by saying things to me in Japanese. When I reply in Japanese they start freaking out a bit haha. When we done a project on other countries a couple months ago, my students were fighting over which group got to study Japan haha.

My co-teacher at my main school (who is the music teacher and speaks no English) has a bunch of pillows on her desk chair that all have Hiragana / Katakana on them. The English teacher at my main school has been to Japan a few times, and enjoys going there. One of the Korean teachers (who retired at the end of the last semester), actually asked the English teacher, to ask me, to help him learn Japanese once they found out I know a bit.

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

The funny thing is, my students, and (most) of my co-teachers love Japan. I have students that try to be funny by saying things to me in Japanese. When I reply in Japanese they start freaking out a bit haha. When we done a project on other countries a couple months ago, my students were fighting over which group got to study Japan haha.

My co-teacher at my main school (who is the music teacher and speaks no English) has a bunch of pillows on her desk chair that all have Hiragana / Katakana on them. The English teacher at my main school has been to Japan a few times, and enjoys going there. One of the Korean teachers (who retired at the end of the last semester), actually asked the English teacher, to ask me, to help him learn Japanese once they found out I know a bit.

A goodly number of my students are interested in Japan as well, some even saying random words-- I like to throw some basic phrases/questions at them and they get so surprised  And in my main school, nobody seems to find Japan offensive (several teachers have gone there for vacation or are planning to) except for admin. creep but he generally acts as though there's a stick up his rear.

That's a paddlin'.

I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ... 

The funny thing is, my students, and (most) of my co-teachers love Japan. I have students that try to be funny by saying things to me in Japanese. When I reply in Japanese they start freaking out a bit haha. When we done a project on other countries a couple months ago, my students were fighting over which group got to study Japan haha.

My co-teacher at my main school (who is the music teacher and speaks no English) has a bunch of pillows on her desk chair that all have Hiragana / Katakana on them. The English teacher at my main school has been to Japan a few times, and enjoys going there. One of the Korean teachers (who retired at the end of the last semester), actually asked the English teacher, to ask me, to help him learn Japanese once they found out I know a bit.

A goodly number of my students are interested in Japan as well, some even saying random words-- I like to throw some basic phrases/questions at them and they get so surprised  And in my main school, nobody seems to find Japan offensive (several teachers have gone there for vacation or are planning to) except for admin. creep but he generally acts as though there's a stick up his rear.

My take on it is this: It's ok to like Japanese things individually but it's not ok to like Japan as a whole, if that makes any sense.

Say you like manga, sushi and studying Japanese? Cool! No problem!

Say you like Japan? Bad, Scary, Devil.

My kids are always saying they like this or that Japanese thing, and a bunch of them list Japan as the number 1 place outside of Korea that they want to visit, but the idea of Japan? That's a no-no.

Of course any historical/Dokdo/comfort women topics provoke the nationalistic fervour, as well. Not entirely unjustified, I might add...

Anyway, my CT said this when I asked her thoughts on Japan/the Japanese:

"We really, really hate them. But I think we also respect them." 

There are two entrances to the teachers' office. Admin creep enters through one to talk to a teacher. Not unusual. He then exits through the same door, then returns through the other door-- to talk to the same teacher. He leaves through the second door, then goes back to the first door and opens it, but only sticks his head in to talk to someone else.

This all seems entirely inefficient. 

Dear Microsoft,

STOP ****** AROUND WITH SKYPE!!

No I don't want you to install some shitty hybrid tablet oriented version of skype on my DESKTOP!

NO, I don't want SKYPE PREVIEW, it sucks SHIT, and has cause me to miss two EPIK interviews... Somehow they were receiving my text etc... but I WAS GETTING NOTHING in return... So Here I am online the whole time, with people trying to contact me, but nothing.. Finally reinstall NORMAL ****** SKYPE! Works like charm, but too late.

Now I look like and ass who can't make interviews, and have been rescheduled and have to wait another week.

Dear Microsoft,

STOP ****** AROUND WITH SKYPE!!

No I don't want you to install some shitty hybrid tablet oriented version of skype on my DESKTOP!

NO, I don't want SKYPE PREVIEW, it sucks SHIT, and has cause me to miss two EPIK interviews... Somehow they were receiving my text etc... but I WAS GETTING NOTHING in return... So Here I am online the whole time, with people trying to contact me, but nothing.. Finally reinstall NORMAL ****** SKYPE! Works like charm, but too late.

Now I look like and ass who can't make interviews, and have been rescheduled and have to wait another week.

Yeah, I got some weird Windows 10 popup the other day that I got a message from someone on Skype, even though I didn't have it running. I opened up the main app... nothing there.

My take on it is this: It's ok to like Japanese things individually but it's not ok to like Japan as a whole, if that makes any sense.

Say you like manga, sushi and studying Japanese? Cool! No problem!

Say you like Japan? Bad, Scary, Devil.

My kids are always saying they like this or that Japanese thing, and a bunch of them list Japan as the number 1 place outside of Korea that they want to visit, but the idea of Japan? That's a no-no.

Of course any historical/Dokdo/comfort women topics provoke the nationalistic fervour, as well. Not entirely unjustified, I might add...

Anyway, my CT said this when I asked her thoughts on Japan/the Japanese:

"We really, really hate them. But I think we also respect them." 

Yeh, that's similar to my impression. My wife hates Japan with a passion, or so I thought, but has travelled there 3 times before I met, we have gone twice together, she loves japanese food, ghibli etc etc.  So I asked her directly how that works in her mind.  Her response was something along the lines of 'yeh, I don't like Japan, but I can go and use their stuff because I like their stuff.'  After further discussion, I discover it's not Japan she doesn't like, she doesn't like the Japanese government, what they have done in the past, the war, the occupation, what their attitude still is with comfort women etc.  Japanese people and japanese stuff generally is fine.  Makes sense when I think about it.