RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Never really understood the types of people who think having kids is an absolute necessity of life. Some people want kids, some don't. How is that difficult to understand?

Because the human race will die out! 

I know a guy here who believes the world is going to end in 12 months time.

Some people are morons.

This planet could benefit from 6 billion less mouth-breathers for sure.

Overpopulation is one, if not, the biggest problem humanity has to address.

As much as overpopulation may or may not be a problem, I think over-consumption is a bigger problem.

I think it's easy to say overpopulation, which seems to be like condemnation of poorer countries, far from here.

I think us in the wealthy world should shoulder much more blame, as we are much harder on the planet. I'm sure as hell my consumption is far higher than the average impoverished, seven member family.

This is accurate.

Also, I wonder what metric people use to determine overpopulation. If you consider the needs of space, food, water and air the planet is actually significantly under it's carrying capacity.

We could fit the entire human population into a mega-city about the size of Texas.

I feel like having a kid is a luxury I'll never be able to afford, financially.

This as well. And then there are people like Ocotomom...

I've just never personally felt inclined toward having children. I like my nieces/nephews but I've never been interested in child-rearing. If I could have a kid that was already potty trained and older I might not mind so much but the desire to have children is absent. It's really condescending for others to think they know me better than I do as if not wanting children is just an invalid opinion.

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I've just never personally felt inclined toward having children. I like my nieces/nephews but I've never been interested in child-rearing. If I could have a kid that was already potty trained and older I might not mind so much but the desire to have children is absent. It's really condescending for others to think they know me better than I do as if not wanting children is just an invalid opinion.

I'm basically in the same spot. The idea of having kids actually terrifies me, so if I could just get a kid after that point, around 2 or 3 that would be perfect.

I don't mind having kids, but it's not a make or break thing for me. If I meet a guy and he doesn't want to have kids, I wouldn't have any problems with it. Same if it were the other way around.

I really don't care one way or the other as long as my spouse and I are eye-to-eye on expectations and planning. But yeah, I'd dig my heels in if people were telling me I had to. Exactly why is it an obligation? idgi

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't see where this is coming from.  Yes, it might be difficult to raise a child on a low income but it is still possible.  Ask all the single parents out there with low paying jobs.  They make it work.  There are so many things which people just don't need to raise a child but they buy it because either everyone else is doing it or because they've been told they need it when they really don't.  Raising a child doesn't have to be as expensive as everyone makes it out to be.  However, you do have to sacrifice a lot more than if you are raking in the big bucks. 
Maybe that's it? 

Never really understood the types of people who think having kids is an absolute necessity of life. Some people want kids, some don't. How is that difficult to understand?

So much so that you're being "selfish" for not having kids.

Never understood the logic of that one.

Yeah, I've gotten that before from a couple of different people on different occasions. Whenever I get told that, I just reply something along the lines of, "If that's how you define 'selfish,' then okay."

Never really understood the types of people who think having kids is an absolute necessity of life. Some people want kids, some don't. How is that difficult to understand?

So much so that you're being "selfish" for not having kids.

Never understood the logic of that one.

Yeah, I've gotten that before from a couple of different people on different occasions. Whenever I get told that, I just reply something along the lines of, "If that's how you define 'selfish,' then okay."

Same here, but I always followed up with, "It's selfish to have kids just to have them."

I came across this a couple of days ago, found it funny that this subject is such a pain-in-the-ass that people have to write whole articles and draw pictures about it.

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't see where this is coming from.  Yes, it might be difficult to raise a child on a low income but it is still possible.  Ask all the single parents out there with low paying jobs.  They make it work.  There are so many things which people just don't need to raise a child but they buy it because either everyone else is doing it or because they've been told they need it when they really don't.  Raising a child doesn't have to be as expensive as everyone makes it out to be.  However, you do have to sacrifice a lot more than if you are raking in the big bucks. 
Maybe that's it?

As the youngest kid from a single parent home, let me just say that there is a difference between being able to afford a kid, and being able to get by. Being able to afford a kid means you provide them with food, shelter, clothing, shoes, and love, as soon as and every single time that they need it. It's really easy to find that that is not possible on every salary.

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't want to raise kids and I feel I am too broke to have kids too.  I don't care about my last name but I really want my genes in the human gene pool.  It is the only true way we can leave an everlasting impact on this planet.

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I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

Gah quit reminding me of the reasons I want to have children! I'm the same. My family name is literally my dad, my uncle, and my cousin. My grandfather was the only male child of 12 to reach childbearing age and my last name is a very uncommon variant of a more common name. I do have a brother, and my cousin has one male child who's still a wee thing, but that's all we have in terms of traditional succession. My boyfriend already agreed that if we had children they could take my last name, though.

But I'm afraid I won't even be able to support myself, let alone a family. Plus the very real danger in the US of being forced out of the workplace as a mother.

Sigh

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't see where this is coming from.  Yes, it might be difficult to raise a child on a low income but it is still possible.  Ask all the single parents out there with low paying jobs.  They make it work.  There are so many things which people just don't need to raise a child but they buy it because either everyone else is doing it or because they've been told they need it when they really don't.  Raising a child doesn't have to be as expensive as everyone makes it out to be.  However, you do have to sacrifice a lot more than if you are raking in the big bucks. 
Maybe that's it?

As the youngest kid from a single parent home, let me just say that there is a difference between being able to afford a kid, and being able to get by. Being able to afford a kid means you provide them with food, shelter, clothing, shoes, and love, as soon as and every single time that they need it. It's really easy to find that that is not possible on every salary.

You are right.  There is a difference between being able to afford a child and being able to get by.  I think I didn't express myself very well in the last post.
What I was trying to say was that a lot of people who say they can't afford kids (but want them) can actually afford kids if they are willing to make some sacrifices.  Obviously, as you said there is a certain point where a person really can't afford to raise a child and just gets by with having a child.

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't see where this is coming from.  Yes, it might be difficult to raise a child on a low income but it is still possible.  Ask all the single parents out there with low paying jobs.  They make it work.  There are so many things which people just don't need to raise a child but they buy it because either everyone else is doing it or because they've been told they need it when they really don't.  Raising a child doesn't have to be as expensive as everyone makes it out to be.  However, you do have to sacrifice a lot more than if you are raking in the big bucks. 
Maybe that's it?

As the youngest kid from a single parent home, let me just say that there is a difference between being able to afford a kid, and being able to get by. Being able to afford a kid means you provide them with food, shelter, clothing, shoes, and love, as soon as and every single time that they need it. It's really easy to find that that is not possible on every salary.

Yeah. Just because you can have a child if you don't have money, doesn't mean that it will be an enjoyable or easy experience. Ajahya nailed it.

A lot of people are using this as a cover for not actually wanting children though. It's much the same as the large number of Koreans that can't 'afford' to get married.

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

It's not that most people can't afford children but that they can't afford children and the lifestyle they are accustomed to.

There's nothing actually wrong with doing this as I agree with people on the 'what you don't have kids and are married crowd' being one of the more annoying sub-groups of humanity.

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't see where this is coming from.  Yes, it might be difficult to raise a child on a low income but it is still possible.  Ask all the single parents out there with low paying jobs.  They make it work.  There are so many things which people just don't need to raise a child but they buy it because either everyone else is doing it or because they've been told they need it when they really don't.  Raising a child doesn't have to be as expensive as everyone makes it out to be.  However, you do have to sacrifice a lot more than if you are raking in the big bucks. 
Maybe that's it?

As the youngest kid from a single parent home, let me just say that there is a difference between being able to afford a kid, and being able to get by. Being able to afford a kid means you provide them with food, shelter, clothing, shoes, and love, as soon as and every single time that they need it. It's really easy to find that that is not possible on every salary.

Yeah. Just because you can have a child if you don't have money, doesn't mean that it will be an enjoyable or easy experience. Ajahya nailed it.

A lot of people are using this as a cover for not actually wanting children though. It's much the same as the large number of Koreans that can't 'afford' to get married.

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

It's not that most people can't afford children but that they can't afford children and the lifestyle they are accustomed to.

There's nothing actually wrong with doing this as I agree with people on the 'what you don't have kids and are married crowd' being one of the more annoying sub-groups of humanity.

Yes, I think this is it.  They aren't willing to sacrifice their lifestyle for kids ( or marriage). 

I really want a kid, because without one, my family name and line will die out after I die, which is kind of a dumb thing to be concerned about, but, yeah. I can't afford one, and don't think I'll ever be rich enough to afford a kid.

I don't want to raise kids and I feel I am too broke to have kids too.  I don't care about my last name but I really want my genes in the human gene pool.  It is the only true way we can leave an everlasting impact on this planet.

Edit: Additionally, if anyone ever needs a man juice donor send me a message.

I'm not sure this will make you feel better but, barring any extremely unlikely gene-mutations, all of your genes are already in the human gene pool. There's a vanishingly small probability that any of your genes are unique, and a comparably small chance that a unique gene would be beneficial to whoever held it. When messing around with any intricate system random changes skew towards having a negative impact rather than a positive one.

A lot of people are using this as a cover for not actually wanting children though. It's much the same as the large number of Koreans that can't 'afford' to get married.

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

It's not that most people can't afford children but that they can't afford children and the lifestyle they are accustomed to.

There's nothing actually wrong with doing this as I agree with people on the 'what you don't have kids and are married crowd' being one of the more annoying sub-groups of humanity.

Yes, I think this is it.  They aren't willing to sacrifice their lifestyle for kids ( or marriage).

There are people (like me) who honestly do not want kids, especially if it means sacrificing their current lifestyle. But there are people who sincerely want kids, and are willing to sacrifice, but they don't want their kid to have to sacrifice, and they don't have the income to give a kid the life they want. I think that's closer to the situation.

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

How does that work?

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

How does that work?

Yeah, thats what I picked up on too. Do you guys just really like to renew your vows?

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

How does that work?

Yeah, thats what I picked up on too. Do you guys just really like to renew your vows?

First thought was that, second thought was that they keep getting divorced and then remarried.

Meaning they can't get married in an expensive hall, buy a house straight off and then have kids right away. None of those things have much to do with actually getting married however. (I say that as a guy who has paid for three weddings to the same woman...)

How does that work?

Yeah, thats what I picked up on too. Do you guys just really like to renew your vows?

First thought was that, second thought was that they keep getting divorced and then remarried.

There's no they. It's a woman that Loki88 has given wedding money to three times. He's not involved in the marriage. Oi vey, hahaha.