Quote from: Mister Tim on October 14, 2016, 01:13:00 pmJapan has offered to take it to a neutral international court of arbitration and to honor the results of the hearing whatever they end up being, but Korea refused. I kinda suspect many Koreans are subconsciously happier having it as a contentious issue to hate Japan over than they'd be if Japan actually just gave it to them.Really? Ain't that some s**t.
Japan has offered to take it to a neutral international court of arbitration and to honor the results of the hearing whatever they end up being, but Korea refused. I kinda suspect many Koreans are subconsciously happier having it as a contentious issue to hate Japan over than they'd be if Japan actually just gave it to them.
Quote from: donovan on October 14, 2016, 01:20:19 pmQuote from: Mister Tim on October 14, 2016, 01:13:00 pmJapan has offered to take it to a neutral international court of arbitration and to honor the results of the hearing whatever they end up being, but Korea refused. I kinda suspect many Koreans are subconsciously happier having it as a contentious issue to hate Japan over than they'd be if Japan actually just gave it to them.Really? Ain't that some s**t. Yup. Three times, no less.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute#Proposal_to_settle_before_ICJ_rejected
i really think korea DOESN'T want the islands to be declared theirs. if the islands are declared korean territory by the International Court of Justice or whatever it's called, they lose a MASSIVE political tool that they use to indoctrinate nationalism and anti-japanese sentiment into their population.i've read about korea's claim to the islands, their evidence is actually pretty convincing. but they still don't want it taken to arbitration. of course there are those mineral deposits under the rocks, but with the current impasse no-one is able to access them. so think about that for a minute. using the rocks as a political tool is more important to the korean government than those minerals.
I kinda suspect many Koreans are subconsciously happier having it as a contentious issue to hate Japan over than they'd be if Japan actually just gave it to them.
@Moonbrie. There are definitely some Koreans who seem to think it's easy to learn Korean and that we should magically become fluent after a ridiculously brief amount of time. I think the nicer ones mean that they think it's easier for foreigners to learn Korean than for them to learn English. I think. Some of the ones whom I tell "Korean is difficult" (in Korean), seem to get it. However I think a goodly number genuinely have no idea that Korean is one of the harder languages to learn-- especially for those with English as their L1.
I can see where you went wrong there.Probably Annyeong, hajima and then ssibal, would have been a better order.
Quote from: Dave Stepz on October 14, 2016, 02:21:38 pm I can see where you went wrong there.Probably Annyeong, hajima and then ssibal, would have been a better order.Hello! Don't touch me, f*ckface. r/whatcouldgowrong
I've experienced this as well. If someone tells you Korean is the most scientific language and you're a fool for not being fluent, explain the grammar is tough, as it hearing and replicating the many sounds of the language.
Quote from: yirj17 on October 14, 2016, 02:09:45 pm@Moonbrie. There are definitely some Koreans who seem to think it's easy to learn Korean and that we should magically become fluent after a ridiculously brief amount of time. I think the nicer ones mean that they think it's easier for foreigners to learn Korean than for them to learn English. I think. Some of the ones whom I tell "Korean is difficult" (in Korean), seem to get it. However I think a goodly number genuinely have no idea that Korean is one of the harder languages to learn-- especially for those with English as their L1.Also, if someone's been here more than a year and can't read Korean (in terms of at least being able to sound things out, not necessarily understanding it) and can't string together a few basic sentences and get a handle on basic pronunciation, I can 100% understand Koreans feeling irritated towards said person. Like, Korean is mad hard to learn. But... getting a grasp of some basics is not hard. At all. And reading is jokes easy.
Quote from: #basedcowboyshirt on October 14, 2016, 02:20:19 pmQuote from: yirj17 on October 14, 2016, 02:09:45 pm@Moonbrie. There are definitely some Koreans who seem to think it's easy to learn Korean and that we should magically become fluent after a ridiculously brief amount of time. I think the nicer ones mean that they think it's easier for foreigners to learn Korean than for them to learn English. I think. Some of the ones whom I tell "Korean is difficult" (in Korean), seem to get it. However I think a goodly number genuinely have no idea that Korean is one of the harder languages to learn-- especially for those with English as their L1.Also, if someone's been here more than a year and can't read Korean (in terms of at least being able to sound things out, not necessarily understanding it) and can't string together a few basic sentences and get a handle on basic pronunciation, I can 100% understand Koreans feeling irritated towards said person. Like, Korean is mad hard to learn. But... getting a grasp of some basics is not hard. At all. And reading is jokes easy.And then having a grasp of the basics tends to only raise some people's expectations. Like, oh you only know how to say "blah blah blah and blah?" Why don't you learn Korean?? With those kinds of people though, you can probably never win. On the other side of the coin, you also get people who are overly impressed if you can say "hello" or super basic things. But also, agreed. The alphabet itself and just reading it aren't difficult unless you perhaps have trouble learning languages to begin with. I just don't know what I'm reading unless there's vocabulary I already recognize in there. Ha
Quote from: yirj17 on October 14, 2016, 02:42:15 pmQuote from: #basedcowboyshirt on October 14, 2016, 02:20:19 pmQuote from: yirj17 on October 14, 2016, 02:09:45 pm@Moonbrie. There are definitely some Koreans who seem to think it's easy to learn Korean and that we should magically become fluent after a ridiculously brief amount of time. I think the nicer ones mean that they think it's easier for foreigners to learn Korean than for them to learn English. I think. Some of the ones whom I tell "Korean is difficult" (in Korean), seem to get it. However I think a goodly number genuinely have no idea that Korean is one of the harder languages to learn-- especially for those with English as their L1.Also, if someone's been here more than a year and can't read Korean (in terms of at least being able to sound things out, not necessarily understanding it) and can't string together a few basic sentences and get a handle on basic pronunciation, I can 100% understand Koreans feeling irritated towards said person. Like, Korean is mad hard to learn. But... getting a grasp of some basics is not hard. At all. And reading is jokes easy.And then having a grasp of the basics tends to only raise some people's expectations. Like, oh you only know how to say "blah blah blah and blah?" Why don't you learn Korean?? With those kinds of people though, you can probably never win. On the other side of the coin, you also get people who are overly impressed if you can say "hello" or super basic things. But also, agreed. The alphabet itself and just reading it aren't difficult unless you perhaps have trouble learning languages to begin with. I just don't know what I'm reading unless there's vocabulary I already recognize in there. HaMy problem is that my speaking is 100 times better than my listening. But this is the problem with any 2nd language. I know every single word that I can speak in Korean (DUH!). Listening? Well, I'm only going to know a few words. So yeah, I can say, 주말 뭐하고 싶으세요? But as soon as you start to really lay into how you're going to ponder the intricacies of calculus with your aunt (and not your aunt your other aunt! You know, your mom's sister, not your dad's sister! Yes, for those that don't know, there are two separate words for these two individuals) , I'M GONE!
If someone tells you Korean is the most scientific language and you're a fool for not being fluent, explain the grammar is tough, as it hearing and replicating the many sounds of the language.