RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

I used a throwaway email when I registered on this site and haven't logged into it since.

If it's at all helpful to anybody, you can turn off the ability for posters to send you emails:
--> profile
--> account settings
--> e-mail
--> uncheck the "Allow users to email me" box.

You can also deactivate the "Show others my online status" box there as well.

August, didn't Vanny email you even when that was unchecked? I thought that was the controversy.

If it's at all helpful to anybody, you can turn off the ability for posters to send you emails:
--> profile
--> account settings
--> e-mail
--> uncheck the "Allow users to email me" box.

You can also deactivate the "Show others my online status" box there as well.

Oh, yeah, I did that a while back, but I wasn't sure if it hides that info from mods, too.

Oh, I see.
Yeah, it seems like that it doesn't apply to mods.
Maybe because it's meant to be a decent way to winnow out sock accounts (or at least, it's a way to winnow out the too-lazy-to use-a-new-email-address sock accounts)?

I figured that it might be necessary for mods to have access to that info for modding purposes, although for privacy reasons it's very much possible for websites to be setup so that mods can opt to send mod-related emails registered on file without actually being able to see the emails themselves.

Normally wouldn't be a problem, but integrity doesn't come as naturally to some.

I used a throwaway email when I registered on this site and haven't logged into it since.

It's a good way to dodge spam and creeps with boundary issues.

That's why I knocked off my old identity of Onnut81 and created this one.  Van stepping over the line and emailing me at my gmail address set off the alarms and Arsalan just shrugged it off with a "Thank you" response when I emailed him about Van's creepy transgression. 

August, didn't Vanny email you even when that was unchecked? I thought that was the controversy.

Yeah, I had it set to not send me emails, but Van has his own rules as a mod. 

Yeah, I remember all of that. I might've received something from him, too, but I have no idea and I'm not about to check, lol.

Guys, if you want something done, you need to like, document it all, lay it out on the line, and also try to get some kind of rule established that if violated, can be cited and serve as cause. You need to construct it in such a way that when it is posted on here, it is damning and incontrovertible and places the administration of this site in a position where failing to address it is untenable.  And you need to present it in such a way that mods who only log on here briefly can take a look at it over 5 minutes and realize the gravity of the situation and the need to take action. Right now it just looks like bickering and griping without any real direction or evidence of specific action (to someone who doesn't follow this site regularly and isn't invested in the Van saga). Mod bashing is not allowed and absent specific examples, that's all you're doing to the indifferent eye. However, I do believe that if you present a pattern of behavior showing specific examples of misconduct, that has to be addressed.

And if you're not going to do that, but instead keep on doing what you're doing or throw shade at me over your personal dislike, then you're basically doing a hangook77 and China/Pay in Korea- Complaining without organizing and doing anything to actually address the problem.

You are welcome to run to be a mod.

Shall I make a post announcing your candidacy?

I didn't know there were elections for the moderators. I've never been contacted about voting. Can one vote early or by mail?

Is it a paid position? If so, what is the renumeration?

Guys, if you want something done, you need to like, document it all, lay it out on the line, and also try to get some kind of rule established that if violated, can be cited and serve as cause. You need to construct it in such a way that when it is posted on here, it is damning and incontrovertible and places the administration of this site in a position where failing to address it is untenable.  And you need to present it in such a way that mods who only log on here briefly can take a look at it over 5 minutes and realize the gravity of the situation and the need to take action. Right now it just looks like bickering and griping without any real direction or evidence of specific action (to someone who doesn't follow this site regularly and isn't invested in the Van saga). Mod bashing is not allowed and absent specific examples, that's all you're doing to the indifferent eye. However, I do believe that if you present a pattern of behavior showing specific examples of misconduct, that has to be addressed.

And if you're not going to do that, but instead keep on doing what you're doing or throw shade at me over your personal dislike, then you're basically doing a hangook77 and China/Pay in Korea- Complaining without organizing and doing anything to actually address the problem.

Preach it brother! We need to lay it all on the line!

Strike!
Strike!
Strike!

If brown-nosing were an Olympic sport, Marty would win gold at ease.

If brown-nosing were an Olympic sport, Marty would win gold at ease.

Marti knows he's supposed to be banned, so he's doing all he can to stay on the good side of the mods. 

Guys, if you want something done, you need to like, document it all, lay it out on the line, and also try to get some kind of rule established that if violated, can be cited and serve as cause. You need to construct it in such a way that when it is posted on here, it is damning and incontrovertible and places the administration of this site in a position where failing to address it is untenable.  And you need to present it in such a way that mods who only log on here briefly can take a look at it over 5 minutes and realize the gravity of the situation and the need to take action. Right now it just looks like bickering and griping without any real direction or evidence of specific action (to someone who doesn't follow this site regularly and isn't invested in the Van saga). Mod bashing is not allowed and absent specific examples, that's all you're doing to the indifferent eye. However, I do believe that if you present a pattern of behavior showing specific examples of misconduct, that has to be addressed.

And if you're not going to do that, but instead keep on doing what you're doing or throw shade at me over your personal dislike, then you're basically doing a hangook77 and China/Pay in Korea- Complaining without organizing and doing anything to actually address the problem.

Marti, please stop talking crap in the effort to make it look like you're taking the high road here when you clearly, as always, are just talking out of your arse.  Myself, and at least two others that I know of have made complaints to Arsalan citing specific transgressions of Van's and have received nothing in return.  The only option left to us is to either do nothing, or to call out Van in these threads for his behaviour.  It has been made clear to us that the mods will circle the wagons and Arsalan doesn't care.  Please stop trying to insert yourself and your lack of knowledge of the issue into the discussion just so you can blather on.  You're not helping anyone. Isn't there a Ukraine thread you should be paying attention to right now?

Arsalan mad in the thread criticizing paypal and the many complaints about cancellations. Seems blatant he doesn't care about what mods he left to man the fort. I doubt he even thinks about this place at all until he collects sub money every month. Speaking of, half the time this site endlessly loads for me, wasn't the subscription model payment going to server costs?  He had an early morning edit to take some of the edge his post had originally. I guess king of the janitors is still just a janitor after all, thin skinned purgers.

Right, I see that that thread had some posts deleted as well.  Pretty sensitive around here. 

Marti, please stop talking crap in the effort to make it look like you're taking the high road here when you clearly, as always, are just talking out of your arse.  Myself, and at least two others that I know of have made complaints to Arsalan citing specific transgressions of Van's and have received nothing in return.  The only option left to us is to either do nothing, or to call out Van in these threads for his behaviour.  It has been made clear to us that the mods will circle the wagons and Arsalan doesn't care.  Please stop trying to insert yourself and your lack of knowledge of the issue into the discussion just so you can blather on.  You're not helping anyone. Isn't there a Ukraine thread you should be paying attention to right now?

Again, did you ever try enumerating everything, with citations and THEN posting it?

Or did you just rant to Arsalan in an unspecific manner without much in the way of evidence, documentation or presentation?

Honestly, if you wrote to Arsalan the way you just wrote above (emotional, insulting, self-centered, completely devoid of evidence or citation), it's no wonder he completely ignored your grievance.

I didn't know there were elections for the moderators. I've never been contacted about voting. Can one vote early or by mail?

Is it a paid position? If so, what is the renumeration?

You can offer yourself as one or as a replacement for Van. Mayor Haggar once called for Kyndo's ouster. A page was made to offer that option to the people of Waygook.org.

The position is a volunteer one. A community organizing one, if you will.

The problem is that van and other moddies deletes a lot of the particularly egregious examples, especially when a back and forth is initiated. It's the same way that every time hangook has gone too far the mods come in and scorched-Earth the thread (along with all evidence). But examples do remain and it's clear Van's absent father figure (ArseAlan) doesn't care. I don't think his behavior needs rigorous documenting because its clear at a glance, just look at his post history. Especially to an admin who probably has tools to see all the deletions and lockings.

Van could ramble and derail threads all he wants as a regular user, but he will never give up that mod 'power' because it is a core part of his identity at this point.
This example was deleted swiftly by him before it could gain any steam

The problem is that van and other moddies deletes a lot of the particularly egregious examples, especially when a back and forth is initiated.

Well, I think the solution would be first get both Kyndo and Van to agree to some sort of airing of grievances under certain guidelines such as the post containing nothing more than screencaps+links and a sentence such as "I believe this is conduct unbecoming of a mod and cause for dismissal" or some such. No editorializing, just pure evidence.

And once again, I really think that getting the "Modding Under the Influence" stipulation agreed to is a measure to bring some sort of accountability. Certainly, the cite's admins CANNOT view such actions as acceptable and expect the users to be fine with such conduct. And if that is something Van is engaged in, then he will either reform (which we want) or have clear evidence of transgression which the broader mod community should act on.

In order for us to call for responsibility, we have to be responsible ourselves. That means presenting things in a professional, organized, logical manner, using the rules and framework to the best of our ability. We have to show that we believe in the overall administration of this site and are asking for the site to uphold the rules and principles IT claims to support and that this grievance has solid foundation, based on evidence and rules.

It can't be a mob or just random rantings in threads.