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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13240 on: September 30, 2021, 11:38:25 am »
Some students attitudes really piss me off. This is more related to Zoom classes.

I'll ask a question. Today it was "What do you wonder about?" Their goal was to make a sentence and then I would look it up on google.

So I pull a student's number randomly (getting volunteers is hard and once those volunteers have all gone, you kinda have to start pointing fingers).

 
 :police: Alright Sheila, what do you wonder about?

*microphone goes on*

5 seconds pass

 :police: Sheila?

5 seconds pass

 :police: Sheila, what do you wonder about? What is your sentence?

10 seconds

Co-T: Sheila, what are you doing? What is your sentence?

5 secs pass

 :police: Sheila, do you or do you NOT have a sentence.

10 secs pass

 :-* 선생님, 모르겠어요

 :police: Well, then tell me that first. Stop wasting our time.

___________________ ___________________ _____________

Honestly, I'm gonna find out eventually that you don't have any work done. You can waste 5 secs of class time or just sit there with your mic on for a minute and freeze. I understand that this stuff isn't easy, however............ .....

I gave you 3 mins to make one sentence, prior to sharing the questions. You're at home on a computer, bloody translate it. I can't tell that you used the translation app, and, even if I would RATHER have you think it up yourself, AN answer is better than NO answer.

If you REALLY are lost, just tell me. Again, I'm gonna find out you have no answer anyway. "Hey, question. What is it, Sheila? :)" *4 secs go by* "Welp, you're off the hook, Sheila. BYE!" Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

I told the class, you can waste 5 secs of my time or a minute. The minute waste makes me WAY more upset.

UGH 

You still doing the online classes?  Wow!  My schools haven't done that since 2020.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13241 on: September 30, 2021, 11:42:17 am »
I ain't fat sunny boy. 
Picture you posted wasn't exactly svelte.


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13242 on: September 30, 2021, 11:45:14 am »
You still doing the online classes?  Wow!  My schools haven't done that since 2020.

Welcome to 수도권. It's 2 grades here, one grade online.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13243 on: September 30, 2021, 12:19:48 pm »
If you REALLY are lost, just tell me. Again, I'm gonna find out you have no answer anyway. "Hey, question. What is it, Sheila? :)" *4 secs go by* "Welp, you're off the hook, Sheila. BYE!" Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

What would really super irritate me about all of this is when they'd be all silent for me but would then immediately answer my coT. For some of the students I know it's because of anxiety, but for others it's more like:



That's okay, kid, we're going to see each other face-to-face next week, and I'm going to make you answer every_single_questi on.  :evil:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13244 on: September 30, 2021, 01:04:48 pm »
What would really super irritate me about all of this is when they'd be all silent for me but would then immediately answer my coT. For some of the students I know it's because of anxiety, but for others it's more like:

I get those, but what I found more annoying are the robots.

The poor robots aren't lazy, they've just had every iota of critical thinking beaten out of them, all they understand is 'listen and repeat'.

(Calling students to my desk so they can read their work, labels above pictures)
(I'm informally assessing reading and comprehension)

Me - What's this <points at athlete>

Robot - athlete

Me - Good, name 3 athletes.

Robot - ...Name 3 athletes

Me - ...No, name 3 athletes, like Messi, Ronaldo, Usain Bolt <Showing my hand as I count on my fingers>

Robot - ....... <shows hand and counts as he say> .... name...three...athl ete

Me -.... What's your name?

Robot -....What's your name?


  • Kayos
  • The Legend

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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13245 on: September 30, 2021, 02:08:43 pm »
I get those, but what I found more annoying are the robots.

The poor robots aren't lazy, they've just had every iota of critical thinking beaten out of them, all they understand is 'listen and repeat'.

(Calling students to my desk so they can read their work, labels above pictures)
(I'm informally assessing reading and comprehension)

Me - What's this <points at athlete>

Robot - athlete

Me - Good, name 3 athletes.

Robot - ...Name 3 athletes

Me - ...No, name 3 athletes, like Messi, Ronaldo, Usain Bolt <Showing my hand as I count on my fingers>

Robot - ....... <shows hand and counts as he say> .... name...three...athl ete

Me -.... What's your name?

Robot -....What's your name?

I get your frustration at that. But, to also be fair, I couldn't name 3 athletes myself haha.
I think the worst are the ones who have just given up. What you do informally is essentially what I do for my speaking tests, just 1 on 1 with the questions we've been learning in class.
I have some minor visual aids for a couple questions / for the lower level students, but I have grade 3 middle schoolers that will say "I don't know" before I've even finished the question, and I have questions like: What's your favourite X?


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13246 on: September 30, 2021, 02:24:15 pm »
I couldn't name 3 athletes myself haha.

You’ve never heard of Michael Jordan? Wayne Gretzky? Muhammad Ali? Tom Brady? Kim Yuna? Babe Ruth? Tiger Woods? None of those names ring a bell?


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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13247 on: September 30, 2021, 02:29:14 pm »
You’ve never heard of Michael Jordan? Wayne Gretzky? Muhammad Ali? Tom Brady? Kim Yuna? Babe Ruth? Tiger Woods? None of those names ring a bell?

I guess I could name 2. Only 2 of those names ring a bell. I hate sports, so learning the names of athletes is pointless.


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    • February 25, 2020, 09:34:41 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13248 on: September 30, 2021, 02:30:05 pm »
You’ve never heard of Michael Jordan? Wayne Gretzky? Muhammad Ali? Tom Brady? Kim Yuna? Babe Ruth? Tiger Woods? None of those names ring a bell?

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth. Not knowing the other three would surprise me a little. Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course. Of that list, would you expect a Korean child to know anyone other than, possibly, Kim Yuna?
"in real life I have a Mensa level IQ. That’s the opposite of mentally retarded. People have told me I’m the smartest person they’ve ever met...Those accusing me of lacking intellect are ironically less intelligent than me. And by quite a bit. Statistically, virtually everyone is." - LI


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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13249 on: September 30, 2021, 02:36:38 pm »
I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth. Not knowing the other three would surprise me a little. Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course. Of that list, would you expect a Korean child to know anyone other than, possibly, Kim Yuna?

Michael Jordan and Ali were the only 2 I remembered. Chances are I might have heard of the others, but when it comes to athletes with me, names just go in one ear and out the other.
Michael Jordan was in Space Jam; and I recently read a comment about Ali that interested me, which is why I remember him too.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13250 on: September 30, 2021, 02:41:38 pm »
Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course.

Shin-Soo Choo, Hyun Jin Ryu, Son Heung Min, Park Ji Sung?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13251 on: September 30, 2021, 02:41:47 pm »
I guess I could name 2. Only 2 of those names ring a bell. I hate sports, so learning the names of athletes is pointless.

It was an informal assessment for comprehension, not knowledge. Every Korean knows Kim Yuna. Even one example would've demonstrated a reasonable level of comprehension and this was after I named Messi to get them started.

I'm very surprised that an adult can't name 3 athletes. I mean, I have zero interest in golf, baseball or ice-hockey, but I've heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tiger Woods and Babe Ruth. I didn't have to learn their names, they're part of western culture so you just kinda pick up the names be being somewhat attentive to the world around you.

Tom Brady could be an underwear brand for all I know.

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth. Not knowing the other three would surprise me a little. Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course. Of that list, would you expect a Korean child to know anyone other than, possibly, Kim Yuna?

Again, an assessment on comprehension, not knowledge. A student who couldn't name 3 athletes would say, "I don't know", which would demonstrate an understanding of the question and what an athlete is... pass.
Simply repeating the question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the word 'athlete' as well as the question...fail.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2021, 02:44:44 pm by Aristocrat »


  • D.L.Orean
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    • February 25, 2020, 09:34:41 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13252 on: September 30, 2021, 02:46:38 pm »
Shin-Soo Choo, Hyun Jin Ryu, Son Heung Min, Park Ji Sung?

There are a lot of Korean athletes. Do you think those are the four Korean athletes the average elementary school student would name?
If a student has no interest in sports, there's a good chance they can't name any. If they aren't interested in sports, Aristocrat naming three foreign athletes certainly isn't going to help.
"in real life I have a Mensa level IQ. That’s the opposite of mentally retarded. People have told me I’m the smartest person they’ve ever met...Those accusing me of lacking intellect are ironically less intelligent than me. And by quite a bit. Statistically, virtually everyone is." - LI


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    • February 25, 2020, 09:34:41 am
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13253 on: September 30, 2021, 02:48:50 pm »
Again, an assessment on comprehension, not knowledge. A student who couldn't name 3 athletes would say, "I don't know", which would demonstrate an understanding of the question and what an athlete is... pass.
Simply repeating the question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the word 'athlete' as well as the question...fail.

I don't doubt that at all.
"in real life I have a Mensa level IQ. That’s the opposite of mentally retarded. People have told me I’m the smartest person they’ve ever met...Those accusing me of lacking intellect are ironically less intelligent than me. And by quite a bit. Statistically, virtually everyone is." - LI


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13254 on: September 30, 2021, 02:49:19 pm »
It was an informal assessment for comprehension, not knowledge. Every Korean knows Kim Yuna. Even one example would've demonstrated a reasonable level of comprehension and this was after I named Messi to get them started.

I'm very surprised that an adult can't name 3 athletes. I mean, I have zero interest in golf, baseball or ice-hockey, but I've heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tiger Woods and Babe Ruth. I didn't have to learn their names, they're part of western culture so you just kinda pick up the names be being somewhat attentive to the world around you.

Tom Brady could be an underwear brand for all I know.

Again, an assessment on comprehension, not knowledge. A student who couldn't name 3 athletes would say, "I don't know", which would demonstrate an understanding of the question and what an athlete is... pass.
Simply repeating the question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the word 'athlete' as well as the question...fail.

Not having a go but I wouldn't be sure about the answer to that question either, since it wouldn't be clear to me if you meant sportsmen and women or specifically those involved in athletics. Maybe it's a geographical thing


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13255 on: September 30, 2021, 02:52:22 pm »
There are a lot of Korean athletes. Do you think those are the four Korean athletes the average elementary school student would name?

I’d say those are the Korean athletes they’d be most likely to be able to name, along with Kim Yuna. Super famous. If you think that’s off, who would you say are better choices?

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth.

But what if the random person from NZ had lived in Korea for ages? Unfamiliarity with the name Kim Yuna wouldn’t be surprising?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13256 on: September 30, 2021, 02:52:25 pm »
Shin-Soo Choo, Hyun Jin Ryu, Son Heung Min, Park Ji Sung?

Yeah, I don't give a shit about sports, but 3 athletes? Some things you learn by simply being alive. Like, I don't listen to rap anymore, generally, but

Wiz Khalifa, Travis Scott, Drake, Lil Wayne, Kendrick Lamar

There, I just named 5 in 10 seconds. And, rappers is specific. Notice how it wasn't "3 people who make music." 3 athletes is a non-constrained question. It's as general you can go without resorting to "name 3 humans."
 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13257 on: September 30, 2021, 02:55:36 pm »
wait are you guys really gonna skip over the sportsman sportswoman thing? i've never heard that in my short little life. where is that predominantly used? you guys really say "whose your favorite sportsman?" instead?
more gg more skill


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13258 on: September 30, 2021, 02:55:57 pm »
When I worked in Harlem with disadvanted youth, I asked my students to name 3 things from the music industry, any 3 things, and they said, and I quote

"Queen, The Beatles and Dwight Yoakam."

I was blown away.


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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #13259 on: September 30, 2021, 03:03:34 pm »
Yeah, I don't give a shit about sports, but 3 athletes? Some things you learn by simply being alive. Like, I don't listen to rap anymore, generally, but

Wiz Khalifa, Travis Scott, Drake, Lil Wayne, Kendrick Lamar

There, I just named 5 in 10 seconds. And, rappers is specific. Notice how it wasn't "3 people who make music." 3 athletes is a non-constrained question. It's as general you can go without resorting to "name 3 humans."

But the thing about humans is each is different. If someone comes up to me on the street, introduces themselves, does small talk for a couple minutes before parting ways never to be seen by me again, is the same as telling me an athletes name, I'm not going to remember it. :P