RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

So you went on all the reaction sites I was referencing and read all the comments?  Alone that's amazing.  How did you know which ones I was talking about?  And not everyone is you.  You couldn't read the Food You Miss thread without looking to argue, but most people are a little more secure and just move on.  Something, you are unable to do. 

Again, for some reason you elevate your answers as gospel, yet even before you've read any you are already referring to others answers as "attempted."  You are an authority on the west and on Korea in nobody's eyes.  You need to realise that.  I know your short man syndrome won't allow that FACT to stop you from making an ass of yourself on here, but I just feel you should know,  Your comments carry very little weight. 

I stand by what I've said.  Some savvy Black Youtubers knew how to draw in numbers by playing to the music tastes of white folk.  They know what they're doing. Then everyone piled in.  It's like Koreans seeing a certain kind of business is doing well, so they open the same kind of business two doors up and wonder why it seems they both only have half the business as before.  Then they see a third business opening at the corner. 

HaHa, got six classes in a row and a baseball game to check in on when I have time.  I thought I'd throw in the Korean business parallel to give Marti a bone for the day. 

Dude, you're not arguing the point, you're just personally attacking me.

Black person says "I've never heard this music before. As a black person, we didn't grow up listening to this kind of music."

Reaction A: "Oh really? I guess that makes sense. What kind of music did you listen to? Who was big? Lets hear your thoughts on this Beatles song."

Reaction B: "You're lying and saying this for attention. Of course you know The Beatles. Of course The Beatles were a thing. How can you not know The Beatles? Whats wrong with you? You're LYING."

One reaction is normal, the other reaction is someone unhinged.

Lets look at the evidence for this being possible-
1) The lack of black people saying this isnt a thing
2) The fact that most people accept that the youtubers are listening for the first time
3) The fact that black people in America have their own strong vibrant musical tradition that permeates black life
4) The fact that many black communities are quite isolated from white American life. Even in big cities. Like, you won't see a white person for weeks or months.
5) We ourselves personally live this where expats in Korea, including long-termers are completely oblivious to Korean stuff.

Thats before you get to any personal experiences.

I just don't get why you can't accept their claim and insist they're lying? Like, that seems pretty presumptuous.

Where did I argue on the food thread? SPQR started it with his baseless rant.

Damn MeMartino going after the fat folks. if this had been a Korean complaining about it being cold abroad you would have wrote "millions of years of genetics . . . educate yourself".

Oh yeah and news flash not everyone lives in Seoul. Hence why folk can't just nip to the shop to buy 3 ounces of momma's home grown cottage cheese. 

I ain't fat sunny boy.  Korea is a hot and humid country with the heat lasting longer the last few years.  My air con works fine right now.  As for Cottage cheese.  Not sure what you are rambling on about.  I never mentioned anything about cheese in my spiel.  Get off the drugs.  As for Dee Martino, he must defend anything Korean at all costs. 

Some students attitudes really piss me off. This is more related to Zoom classes.

I'll ask a question. Today it was "What do you wonder about?" Their goal was to make a sentence and then I would look it up on google.

So I pull a student's number randomly (getting volunteers is hard and once those volunteers have all gone, you kinda have to start pointing fingers).

 
  Alright Sheila, what do you wonder about?

*microphone goes on*

5 seconds pass

  Sheila?

5 seconds pass

  Sheila, what do you wonder about? What is your sentence?

10 seconds

Co-T: Sheila, what are you doing? What is your sentence?

5 secs pass

  Sheila, do you or do you NOT have a sentence.

10 secs pass

  선생님, 모르겠어요

  Well, then tell me that first. Stop wasting our time.

___________________ ___________________ _____________

Honestly, I'm gonna find out eventually that you don't have any work done. You can waste 5 secs of class time or just sit there with your mic on for a minute and freeze. I understand that this stuff isn't easy, however............ .....

I gave you 3 mins to make one sentence, prior to sharing the questions. You're at home on a computer, bloody translate it. I can't tell that you used the translation app, and, even if I would RATHER have you think it up yourself, AN answer is better than NO answer.

If you REALLY are lost, just tell me. Again, I'm gonna find out you have no answer anyway. "Hey, question. What is it, Sheila? :)" *4 secs go by* "Welp, you're off the hook, Sheila. BYE!" Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

I told the class, you can waste 5 secs of my time or a minute. The minute waste makes me WAY more upset.

UGH 

You still doing the online classes?  Wow!  My schools haven't done that since 2020.

I ain't fat sunny boy. 

Picture you posted wasn't exactly svelte.

You still doing the online classes?  Wow!  My schools haven't done that since 2020.

Welcome to 수도권. It's 2 grades here, one grade online.

If you REALLY are lost, just tell me. Again, I'm gonna find out you have no answer anyway. "Hey, question. What is it, Sheila? :)" *4 secs go by* "Welp, you're off the hook, Sheila. BYE!" Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

What would really super irritate me about all of this is when they'd be all silent for me but would then immediately answer my coT. For some of the students I know it's because of anxiety, but for others it's more like:



That's okay, kid, we're going to see each other face-to-face next week, and I'm going to make you answer every_single_questi on. 

What would really super irritate me about all of this is when they'd be all silent for me but would then immediately answer my coT. For some of the students I know it's because of anxiety, but for others it's more like:

I get those, but what I found more annoying are the robots.

The poor robots aren't lazy, they've just had every iota of critical thinking beaten out of them, all they understand is 'listen and repeat'.

(Calling students to my desk so they can read their work, labels above pictures)
(I'm informally assessing reading and comprehension)

Me - What's this <points at athlete>

Robot - athlete

Me - Good, name 3 athletes.

Robot - ...Name 3 athletes

Me - ...No, name 3 athletes, like Messi, Ronaldo, Usain Bolt <Showing my hand as I count on my fingers>

Robot - ....... <shows hand and counts as he say> .... name...three...athl ete

Me -.... What's your name?

Robot -....What's your name?

I get those, but what I found more annoying are the robots.

The poor robots aren't lazy, they've just had every iota of critical thinking beaten out of them, all they understand is 'listen and repeat'.

(Calling students to my desk so they can read their work, labels above pictures)
(I'm informally assessing reading and comprehension)

Me - What's this <points at athlete>

Robot - athlete

Me - Good, name 3 athletes.

Robot - ...Name 3 athletes

Me - ...No, name 3 athletes, like Messi, Ronaldo, Usain Bolt <Showing my hand as I count on my fingers>

Robot - ....... <shows hand and counts as he say> .... name...three...athl ete

Me -.... What's your name?

Robot -....What's your name?

I get your frustration at that. But, to also be fair, I couldn't name 3 athletes myself haha.
I think the worst are the ones who have just given up. What you do informally is essentially what I do for my speaking tests, just 1 on 1 with the questions we've been learning in class.
I have some minor visual aids for a couple questions / for the lower level students, but I have grade 3 middle schoolers that will say "I don't know" before I've even finished the question, and I have questions like: What's your favourite X?

I couldn't name 3 athletes myself haha.

You’ve never heard of Michael Jordan? Wayne Gretzky? Muhammad Ali? Tom Brady? Kim Yuna? Babe Ruth? Tiger Woods? None of those names ring a bell?

You’ve never heard of Michael Jordan? Wayne Gretzky? Muhammad Ali? Tom Brady? Kim Yuna? Babe Ruth? Tiger Woods? None of those names ring a bell?

I guess I could name 2. Only 2 of those names ring a bell. I hate sports, so learning the names of athletes is pointless.

You’ve never heard of Michael Jordan? Wayne Gretzky? Muhammad Ali? Tom Brady? Kim Yuna? Babe Ruth? Tiger Woods? None of those names ring a bell?

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth. Not knowing the other three would surprise me a little. Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course. Of that list, would you expect a Korean child to know anyone other than, possibly, Kim Yuna?

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth. Not knowing the other three would surprise me a little. Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course. Of that list, would you expect a Korean child to know anyone other than, possibly, Kim Yuna?

Michael Jordan and Ali were the only 2 I remembered. Chances are I might have heard of the others, but when it comes to athletes with me, names just go in one ear and out the other.
Michael Jordan was in Space Jam; and I recently read a comment about Ali that interested me, which is why I remember him too.

Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course.

Shin-Soo Choo, Hyun Jin Ryu, Son Heung Min, Park Ji Sung?

I guess I could name 2. Only 2 of those names ring a bell. I hate sports, so learning the names of athletes is pointless.

It was an informal assessment for comprehension, not knowledge. Every Korean knows Kim Yuna. Even one example would've demonstrated a reasonable level of comprehension and this was after I named Messi to get them started.

I'm very surprised that an adult can't name 3 athletes. I mean, I have zero interest in golf, baseball or ice-hockey, but I've heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tiger Woods and Babe Ruth. I didn't have to learn their names, they're part of western culture so you just kinda pick up the names be being somewhat attentive to the world around you.

Tom Brady could be an underwear brand for all I know.

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth. Not knowing the other three would surprise me a little. Either way, an elementary school student in Korea not knowing three athletes? Par for the course. Of that list, would you expect a Korean child to know anyone other than, possibly, Kim Yuna?

Again, an assessment on comprehension, not knowledge. A student who couldn't name 3 athletes would say, "I don't know", which would demonstrate an understanding of the question and what an athlete is... pass.
Simply repeating the question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the word 'athlete' as well as the question...fail.

Shin-Soo Choo, Hyun Jin Ryu, Son Heung Min, Park Ji Sung?

There are a lot of Korean athletes. Do you think those are the four Korean athletes the average elementary school student would name?
If a student has no interest in sports, there's a good chance they can't name any. If they aren't interested in sports, Aristocrat naming three foreign athletes certainly isn't going to help.

Again, an assessment on comprehension, not knowledge. A student who couldn't name 3 athletes would say, "I don't know", which would demonstrate an understanding of the question and what an athlete is... pass.
Simply repeating the question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the word 'athlete' as well as the question...fail.

I don't doubt that at all.

It was an informal assessment for comprehension, not knowledge. Every Korean knows Kim Yuna. Even one example would've demonstrated a reasonable level of comprehension and this was after I named Messi to get them started.

I'm very surprised that an adult can't name 3 athletes. I mean, I have zero interest in golf, baseball or ice-hockey, but I've heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tiger Woods and Babe Ruth. I didn't have to learn their names, they're part of western culture so you just kinda pick up the names be being somewhat attentive to the world around you.

Tom Brady could be an underwear brand for all I know.

Again, an assessment on comprehension, not knowledge. A student who couldn't name 3 athletes would say, "I don't know", which would demonstrate an understanding of the question and what an athlete is... pass.
Simply repeating the question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the word 'athlete' as well as the question...fail.

Not having a go but I wouldn't be sure about the answer to that question either, since it wouldn't be clear to me if you meant sportsmen and women or specifically those involved in athletics. Maybe it's a geographical thing

There are a lot of Korean athletes. Do you think those are the four Korean athletes the average elementary school student would name?

I’d say those are the Korean athletes they’d be most likely to be able to name, along with Kim Yuna. Super famous. If you think that’s off, who would you say are better choices?

I wouldn't be surprised if a random person from NZ had never heard of Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Kim Yuna or Babe Ruth.

But what if the random person from NZ had lived in Korea for ages? Unfamiliarity with the name Kim Yuna wouldn’t be surprising?

Shin-Soo Choo, Hyun Jin Ryu, Son Heung Min, Park Ji Sung?

Yeah, I don't give a shit about sports, but 3 athletes? Some things you learn by simply being alive. Like, I don't listen to rap anymore, generally, but

Wiz Khalifa, Travis Scott, Drake, Lil Wayne, Kendrick Lamar

There, I just named 5 in 10 seconds. And, rappers is specific. Notice how it wasn't "3 people who make music." 3 athletes is a non-constrained question. It's as general you can go without resorting to "name 3 humans."