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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12780 on: November 30, 2020, 02:56:12 pm »
what
No original sin as defined in religion, but the idea that essentially within all human beings exist certain impulses due to biology and evolution that will produce negative behaviors, at least negative in a modern industrialized society built around tolerance and such.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12781 on: November 30, 2020, 05:32:59 pm »
No original sin as defined in religion, but the idea that essentially within all human beings exist certain impulses due to biology and evolution that will produce negative behaviors, at least negative in a modern industrialized society built around tolerance and such.

Interesting perspective.

It is interesting that many of our behaviors in “polite society” are so contrary to our instincts.
 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12782 on: November 30, 2020, 08:09:39 pm »
No original sin as defined in religion, but the idea that essentially within all human beings exist certain impulses due to biology and evolution that will produce negative behaviors, at least negative in a modern industrialized society built around tolerance and such.

Then you shouldn't use the phrase "original sin" as it was the CHOICE (or was it?)  of eating the forbidden fruit which gave us knowledge (according to the bible).  This in tern led to the determinism/free will argument (and taint of women) that has been held since the our philosophical brains could handle/grasp it.....and it still permeates.   FYI (look at the Apple logo..a logo with heavy implications IMO)...

Biology is not a choice, so I would choose a different phrase than "original sin", which I consider a philosophical/religious term of phrase.  I do get that you could possibly mean that our reptilian brain seeks out...regardless of the social implications.  BUT, our biology is not inherently sinful.  It only informs our behaviours, which could socially become sinful....so I get that part of what you are saying.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12783 on: December 01, 2020, 08:30:26 am »
Online, damn! Online is the realm of the, sorry to say, vitriol spewing Atheist (the nice ones you meet in real life).
They'll derail arguments, mock, insult and act like colossal assholes and insist that anyone who doesn't believe what they do is a complete idiot.

Online atheism devolved into a pseudo-intellectual circlejerk pretty quickly. Its out of vogue now anyways since all the gamergate stuff. I hear paganism is the hot new thing for faux-woke college students


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12784 on: December 01, 2020, 11:22:33 am »
well guys, my husband got pissed at me this morning for taking 3 choco pies to school to give out as a promised reward for doing something really good......for 3 students......he got pissed because he has to have everything for himself......he has plenty of things to eat as a snack and gets choco pies given to him pretty regularly and if I were to eat them he wouldn't have had a problem and said he doesn't know if he married the devil or his wife........so I am out.....breaking the contract and finally going to leave in January

It seems small but its the last straw....


So for any EPIKers.....any ideas on the real consequences of breaking a contract with less than 2 months notice and less than 6 months worked (Gangwon) ? This is my 6th contract.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12785 on: December 01, 2020, 11:23:35 am »
Then you shouldn't use the phrase "original sin" as it was the CHOICE (or was it?)  of eating the forbidden fruit which gave us knowledge (according to the bible).  This in tern led to the determinism/free will argument (and taint of women) that has been held since the our philosophical brains could handle/grasp it.....and it still permeates.   FYI (look at the Apple logo..a logo with heavy implications IMO)...

Biology is not a choice, so I would choose a different phrase than "original sin", which I consider a philosophical/religious term of phrase.  I do get that you could possibly mean that our reptilian brain seeks out...regardless of the social implications.  BUT, our biology is not inherently sinful.  It only informs our behaviours, which could socially become sinful....so I get that part of what you are saying.
Yeah it was a flawed term but I went with it to try and get the idea across and also to thematically link the point- That certain what would be called negative behaviors and tendencies exist in humans due to evolution and doing things like voting Democrat or becoming atheist does not eliminate them.

I'd also suggest, given the track record of various non-religious movements and philosophies that there exists some sort of biological drive in people to create organizations and structures that take on the quality of dogmatic religion.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12786 on: December 01, 2020, 11:38:13 am »
people are by nature political animals
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12787 on: December 01, 2020, 11:48:18 am »
well guys, my husband got pissed at me this morning for taking 3 choco pies to school to give out as a promised reward for doing something really good......for 3 students......he got pissed because he has to have everything for himself......he has plenty of things to eat as a snack and gets choco pies given to him pretty regularly and if I were to eat them he wouldn't have had a problem and said he doesn't know if he married the devil or his wife........so I am out.....breaking the contract and finally going to leave in January

It seems small but its the last straw....


So for any EPIKers.....any ideas on the real consequences of breaking a contract with less than 2 months notice and less than 6 months worked (Gangwon) ? This is my 6th contract.

You wrote husband. Did you mean 5 year old child?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12788 on: December 01, 2020, 11:53:24 am »
nightninja, I hope you're doing alright. 

THEY'RE SNACKS. THEY'RE 60 CENTS A POP AND THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. WHO FUKKING CARES.?

Can I scream at him for a bit?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12789 on: December 01, 2020, 11:59:48 am »
It seems small but its the last straw....


So for any EPIKers.....any ideas on the real consequences of breaking a contract with less than 2 months notice and less than 6 months worked (Gangwon) ? This is my 6th contract.

It doesn't seem small the guy sounds insane. Sorry for the long post here but this is what the EPIK contract says:

Article 9 (Resignation) ① The Employee shall perform the duties set forth under Article 3 hereof during the Term of Employment set forth under Article 5 hereof.
  ② This Contract is binding unless the Employee gives sixty (60) days written notice of termination (stating a planned date of resignation and reason(s) therefore) to the principal of the Employee's main school as well as the Superintendent of the Office of Education.
  ③ Failure of the Employee to give sixty (60) days written notice of termination to the main school  Principal and the Superintendent of the Office of Education shall be reported to the Korean Immigration Service and shall affect the Employee's ability to freely enter the Republic of Korea in the future.
  ④ In the case of the Employee's resignation his/her visa shall be cancelled.

Article 10 (Renewal) ① The Term of Employment stated in Article 5 hereof may be renewed by the mutual written agreement of the Employer and the Employee provided that the renewal Term of Employment shall not exceed one (1) year.
  ② In the case of renewal of this Contract pursuant to the foregoing clause ①, the Employee shall be given five (5) working days paid leave which shall take place during the nearest school vacation of the renewal contract with the condition that the days do not conflict with the school’s schedule.  This one-week leave will be counted as part of the contract term, and, accordingly, salary will be paid as normal for this period. The period of this renewal vacation may be negotiated with the school to be held in the next school vacation which is within six months from the first day of the contract if necessary.
  ③ The Employer shall provide the Employee with a Contract Renewal Allowance of 2,000,000 Korean Won. 1,300,000 Korean Won of this Contract Renewal Allowance will be paid within one month of the beginning of the new Term of Employment with the remaining 700,000 Korean Won to be disbursed after the successful completion of the contract. In the case of Contract Renewal (and the payment of the subsequent Renewal Allowance), the Employee shall not receive an Exit Allowance for the completion of the current Term of Employment nor shall the Employee receive an Entrance Allowance for the renewal Term of Employment.
  ④ In case of the termination of the Renewal Contract within the first six (6) months, regardless of course or ground therefore,  the paid leave specified in the forgoing clause 2 shall be unpaid. In addition, the remaining 700,000 Korean Won of the Contract Renewal Allowance will be forfeited

So basically you won't get some of your money if you leave before 6 months and who cares about the visa unless you plan to come back but they can't sue you or anything


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12790 on: December 01, 2020, 12:10:15 pm »
well guys, my husband got pissed at me this morning for taking 3 choco pies to school to give out as a promised reward for doing something really good......for 3 students......he got pissed because he has to have everything for himself......he has plenty of things to eat as a snack and gets choco pies given to him pretty regularly and if I were to eat them he wouldn't have had a problem and said he doesn't know if he married the devil or his wife........so I am out.....breaking the contract and finally going to leave in January

It seems small but its the last straw....


So for any EPIKers.....any ideas on the real consequences of breaking a contract with less than 2 months notice and less than 6 months worked (Gangwon) ? This is my 6th contract.
good for you. your husband sounds horrible


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12791 on: December 01, 2020, 12:16:04 pm »
well guys, my husband got pissed at me this morning for taking 3 choco pies to school to give out as a promised reward for doing something really good......for 3 students......he got pissed because he has to have everything for himself......he has plenty of things to eat as a snack and gets choco pies given to him pretty regularly and if I were to eat them he wouldn't have had a problem and said he doesn't know if he married the devil or his wife........so I am out.....breaking the contract and finally going to leave in January

It seems small but its the last straw....


So for any EPIKers.....any ideas on the real consequences of breaking a contract with less than 2 months notice and less than 6 months worked (Gangwon) ? This is my 6th contract.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but, the only likely consequence would be not being able to be rehired for epik in the future. And you may forfeit your exit plane allowance.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12792 on: December 01, 2020, 12:16:36 pm »
well guys, my husband got pissed at me this morning for taking 3 choco pies to school to give out as a promised reward for doing something really good......for 3 students......he got pissed because he has to have everything for himself......he has plenty of things to eat as a snack and gets choco pies given to him pretty regularly and if I were to eat them he wouldn't have had a problem and said he doesn't know if he married the devil or his wife........so I am out.....breaking the contract and finally going to leave in January

It seems small but its the last straw....


So for any EPIKers.....any ideas on the real consequences of breaking a contract with less than 2 months notice and less than 6 months worked (Gangwon) ? This is my 6th contract.

Sorry, honey. I didn't mean to be so selfish. Here's a big box of choco pies just for you...



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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12793 on: December 01, 2020, 12:20:57 pm »
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but, the only likely consequence would be not being able to be rehired for epik in the future. And you may forfeit your exit plane allowance.

Would you get severance?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12794 on: December 01, 2020, 12:29:22 pm »
Would you get severance?

Yes, but it depends. Did their school pay severance at the end of each contract? if not, they'd get 5 years X months worth of it.
Some schools pay it at the end of each contract (rare), some wait until you leave and pay it in 1 big chunk (common). Once you have worked for more than 1 year you are entitled to it.
Looks like the OP worked for 5 years and 4 months? so they'd get that much worth of severance, so about 5.35 months worth of pay or something (each year is around the 1months pay in severance)


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12795 on: December 01, 2020, 12:51:32 pm »
Would you get severance?

Yes, you're still entitled to severance as long as you've worked 12 months or longer with your current employer. nightninja says this is her 6th contract, and I assume it's with the same education office, so she's entitled to 6 years of severance minus the calculated difference of however many months she hasn't worked in her final contract plus whatever severance amount she may have already been paid in the past (in case her school(s) paid out each year instead of holding onto it like they're supposed to).

Some employers will try to cheat their employees out of severance that is lawfully owed to them by saying they're only entitled to it if they complete their current contract, but that's only true for the first 12 months with that employer. If you complete 12 months and continue to work after that, you're owed. Attempting to get out of paying lawfully owed severance is more of a problem with hagwons, though, not so much public schools.

Severance is also supposed to be paid out within either 10 or 14 working days after the last day of work (I can't remember which one, but I'm leaning towards 14 -- I think it's within 10 days for wages). After that, a former employee can file a complaint with the MOEL.

@nightninja: Payout of severance is automatic, but payout of pension is not. You have to apply for that before leaving the country, so, as long as you're from Canada or the USA, don't forget to do that as it's a lot more difficult to get done once out of the country.

Also, as far as EPIK goes, the worst that might happen is they'll never hire you again, but I've known people who've had to break their contracts, then reapplied to EPIK later and were still accepted. And even if EPIK decides it won't take you back on again, you can always go the hagwon or direct-hire route. Breaking a contract and leaving the country early doesn't get you railroaded, but, if working on certain visas, it could prevent you from legally working within the country again until your final contract expires (I assume you were working on an F6 visa, though, so that's not something you'll need to worry about). 

Anyway, nightninja, I'm sorry to hear that it had to come to this, but your husband sounds like a big bag of yikes, and I'm happy that you're making the call to finally get away from him. On to better things.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12796 on: December 01, 2020, 07:09:18 pm »
nightninja, I hope you're doing alright. 

THEY'RE SNACKS. THEY'RE 60 CENTS A POP AND THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. WHO FUKKING CARES.?

Can I scream at him for a bit?

That would be great lol.....I'm ok.....he threw a spoon at me and  said he wanted to pour boiling water on me after I told him that's it.......he drove me to school and the whole way kept saying I was the devil....so I taught my classes and took early leave, went home packed my stuff and left to a friends....hopefull y he wont change the lock code as I forgot my laptop charger....

I will get severance for all the time I've worked because it's been over 1 year. I couldn't find my contract though so I was worried about the renewal bonus money....I will have worked a little over 4 months in this new contract and I feel terrible for leaving and would rather give 2 months but I'm staying with a friend and I don't want to be in her way too long and I also don't need to stick around and give him time to convince me to stay.....my family also wants me home and I don't want to go back to corona in the USA and harder time finding a job but at the same time I should probably try to get my life back together sooner than later......

I have an F6 visa right now so I don't think I would be banned from entering Korea, but I could be wrong.......any ideas?

I plan to get home then think about a divorce since I can technically get a lawyer from abroad I think.......or come back if I must but for now I just gotta get out. He helped me pay some of my student loans so he'll probably get that in a settlement.....
« Last Edit: December 01, 2020, 07:18:15 pm by nightninja »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12797 on: December 01, 2020, 09:06:41 pm »
I have an F6 visa right now so I don't think I would be banned from entering Korea, but I could be wrong.......any ideas?

Regardless of your visa type, you won't be banned from entering Korea for breaking a contract early, even if you don't give 60 days' notice. If you're being abused by a spouse, you're also not doing anything wrong in leaving urgently and your PoE should understand.

Neither EPIK nor Gangwon PoE are immigration. EPIK put that clause in the contracts to scare people.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12798 on: December 02, 2020, 09:45:20 am »
I was standing at my gate 10 minutes ago, and this woman who seems to know me more than I know her, pulled up and told me to put my mask on. I was really pissed off,  but she drove away before I could respond. I didn't know that wearing a mask in your front yard was compulsory. 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #12799 on: December 02, 2020, 09:58:00 am »
I was standing at my gate 10 minutes ago, and this woman who seems to know me more than I know her, pulled up and told me to put my mask on. I was really pissed off,  but she drove away before I could respond. I didn't know that wearing a mask in your front yard was compulsory.

I had someone do this to me the other day, too. I was standing on a street corner and was fiddling around with my mask string to make it fit around my ears better, and there was literally no one else around.

Funny part was she wasn't wearing a mask herself, haha. I told her that I'd put my mask on when she put hers on first, and she basically said a bunch of crap about this being Korea and that I needed to know my place. I told her that I felt unsafe around her and that she needed to put her mask on so that I won't get infected. She got mad and drove off.

I'm sorry your asshole didn't give you the opportunity to troll her. People who try to police others who are properly socially distanced and who aren't breaking any laws are maddening.
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