RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

For example, I wouldn't say giving my opinion on the hobby of birdwatching is worthy of a report.

No, but calling me a 'cnut' for two weeks wasn't?

I have never reported any posts and never will.  But for somebody to act all hurt now they're being moderated is a bit rich. 

(I doubt this post will be here long) 

No, but calling me a 'cnut' for two weeks wasn't?

I have never reported any posts and never will.  But for somebody to act all hurt now they're being moderated is a bit rich. 

(I doubt this post will be here long) 

You deliberately misquoted me in order to mock me, then when I called you out and asked for you to acknowledge your mistake, you blanked it out for as long as you could and stuck your nose in the air. That's why. And you know full well what you were doing.

I want standards to be applied equally and it is quite evident over the past few weeks that they are not.

I was quite happy with the self censoring nature and debates this website had, but it appears that's not what is happening now, so so be it.

When a Rebecca Black meme is offensive you might as well pack up and head home.

That's grim. Have you not asked for a full week? You need a break.

yeah, unfortunately its just not possible with how the camp/summer vacation schedules line up at my schools. at least i'll be leaving right after camp every day. i'll use the rest of it during winter/spring break (and take other random half days 2nd semester). i don't mind too much because i probably wouldn't have done any international travel this summer anyway (and 3 or 4 day weekends seem sufficient for most domestic stuff)

gotta do camp. no more important days of the school year than doing camp~~

gotta do camp. no more important days of the school year than doing camp~~

That's very funny but so true...let's waste all the money on camp that usually isn't so much academic.....

but some camps probably do motivate the students to study English and some camps are educational and fun at the same time, but I would say most of the camps I've done were just for money wasting....although one or two of the many schools I've had did have fun and actually used a lot of English

That's grim. Have you not asked for a full week? You need a break.

I'm planning on asking my Wednesday school to give me the 12th off, that way I get a full week. Pretty sure they'll oblige as my CT at that school is pretty awesome, they're closing the following day anyway and she knows how hard I work. I've also decided to save all my Summer vacation days for Winter, that way I can get a full 3 weeks off without having to worry about camp... I don't dare let my schools conceive the idea that they can get away with splitting my vacation days up. While some/most/a few Korean teachers work hard, they all pretty much work at one school, meaning they get an uninterrupted rest, not the case for NETs, we have to fight for that.

yeah, unfortunately its just not possible with how the camp/summer vacation schedules line up at my schools. at least i'll be leaving right after camp every day. i'll use the rest of it during winter/spring break (and take other random half days 2nd semester). i don't mind too much because i probably wouldn't have done any international travel this summer anyway (and 3 or 4 day weekends seem sufficient for most domestic stuff)

You got it rough, my man. For me, it's not about traveling, just need a week of waking up knowing I can do whatever I want for the day... unfortunately that does include postgrad work.

I'm off at the end of my contract and the co-teachers have just asked for all my personally created material to use in the 2nd semester. They also want me to record audio for each of the lessons... I'm going to do it as I've asked them for favours in the past and they are providing glowing references for my next move.

However, it doesn't really sit right that my likeness and voice is still being going to be used even though I will no longer be getting financially rewarded. I'll be teaching, but not actually teaching kinda vibe. The only reason they asked is because my school will not have a native teacher after the summer.

What are your opinions on giving material to Korean teachers when leaving a job? (not uploading to Wayg thats a different thing)

What are your opinions on giving material to Korean teachers when leaving a job? (not uploading to Wayg thats a different thing)

depends if i like them. and even if i like them, if they deserve to get all of my stuff

actually i've never given any materials to any teachers before. the ones i didn't give it to didn't deserve it, and the ones i asked if they wanted it said they have their own stuff anyway

i give it if they ask. i've been lucky to have all good co-teachers though so i have no reason not to. what i always do is give my materials to the next NET (if I'm leaving the school), especially if I know they're new

I usually fork stuff over since I steal all my ppt games from waygook/the other website anyways. I dunno how I'd feel if I were in Colburnnn's position and being asked to actively record stuff though.

I wonder when my school will find out if/when its NET position gets cut or not.

It depends on my relationship with them. If they've been helpful and considerate towards me in general, they can have anything they want.

If they've tried to avoid doing more than the bare minimum or treated me like a chore at all, I straight up tell them no.

With all that being said, though, most KTs don't ask me for my materials, and, whenever they do, it's only for a random ppt here and there.

I wouldn't mind audio recordings, but I'd say no to any video recordings. Just not comfortable with that at all.

And I'm like tyler, I leave most if not all of my materials to a new NET if I'm being replaced at a school anyway. I'm not possessive over my stuff, I just don't want a lazy asshole taking advantage of me, haha.

I'm off at the end of my contract and the co-teachers have just asked for all my personally created material to use in the 2nd semester. They also want me to record audio for each of the lessons... I'm going to do it as I've asked them for favours in the past and they are providing glowing references for my next move.

However, it doesn't really sit right that my likeness and voice is still being going to be used even though I will no longer be getting financially rewarded. I'll be teaching, but not actually teaching kinda vibe. The only reason they asked is because my school will not have a native teacher after the summer.

What are your opinions on giving material to Korean teachers when leaving a job? (not uploading to Wayg thats a different thing)

Doing the VO stuff was your decision, but as far as materials, assuming you made them during working hours or using tools supplied by your employer, they are called "work product" and belong to the employer. 

I'm glad you have a good relationship with your Cos but this has come up before from people who wanted to destroy every piece of anything out of spite.  This is ill-advised and technically illegal since the stuff you did at work, for work, doesn't belong to you, it belongs to your work.

Doing the VO stuff was your decision, but as far as materials, assuming you made them during working hours or using tools supplied by your employer, they are called "work product" and belong to the employer. 

I'm glad you have a good relationship with your Cos but this has come up before from people who wanted to destroy every piece of anything out of spite.  This is ill-advised and technically illegal since the stuff you did at work, for work, doesn't belong to you, it belongs to your work.

Yes but what is anyone going to do about it if you don't share your materials?

How did waygook.org user LIC get his name changed to Liechtenstein?

Doing the VO stuff was your decision, but as far as materials, assuming you made them during working hours or using tools supplied by your employer, they are called "work product" and belong to the employer. 

I'm glad you have a good relationship with your Cos but this has come up before from people who wanted to destroy every piece of anything out of spite.  This is ill-advised and technically illegal since the stuff you did at work, for work, doesn't belong to you, it belongs to your work.

Hi. That is so incredibly aggressive and wrong I don't know where to start.

The materials are my own, created using my hardware and licensed programs. Nobody has the right to that intellectual property but me and only I can decide where and when they are to be used. They are most certainly not a ''work product'' and please direct me to where in the contract it states the MOE owns my intellectual property.

No one said anything about destroying anything, these are my materials that I will be using (albeit adapted) in the future. But, should I wish to destroy them it most certainly would not be illegal. After all, they are my intellectual property and nobody owns them but me.

Perhaps you work for a private business. I do not, and my 'employer' owns none (zero) (zilch) (nada) (nothing) of my materials.

Yes but what is anyone going to do about it if you don't share your materials?

<shrug>
This is a bit like returning your shopping cart in the parking lot.  No one will ticket you if you don't do it, it just means you're a complete f*****d.  You're the kind of person we need laws and criminal justice systems and jack-booted police for.  You don't willingly follow the rules, you have be pressured, forced or cowed into doing what is right.

What are your opinions on giving material to Korean teachers when leaving a job? (not uploading to Wayg thats a different thing)

Based on the source of a number of my materials and templates I'd feel obligated to ask Mr. C's permission first. 

Based on the source of a number of my materials and templates I'd feel obligated to ask Mr. C's permission first. 

I'm not going to get into the whole downloading things and passing them off as your own argument. We are all adults and you can choose to work however you wish. Personally, I design, create and deliver my own material from scratch. Again, nobody owns that but me.

I'm an industrial designer so am fully versed on all of the laws surrounding intellectual property and ownership of.

The original question was ethics based, not ownership based.

How did waygook.org user LIC get his name changed to Liechtenstein?

i would love to change my username

I'm not entirely familiar with how the Korean copy-right system works, but I do know that most of its laws are based on American ones, and that in the USA, materials generated by teachers are owned by the School district: teachers have been successfully sued by their employers for selling their lesson materials online (this includes materials generated for class that were done in the teacher's free time).

 

"If your employment contract assigns copyright ownership of materials produced for the classroom to the teacher, then you probably have a green light. Absent any written agreement, however, the Copyright Act of 1976 stipulates that materials created by teachers in the scope of their employment are deemed “works for hire” and therefore the school owns them.

[Many teachers], however, believe that if they create materials on their own time, using their own equipment, they surely have the right to do with them as they please.
“Under the [American] law... this may not make a difference. The issue is whether you created the materials as part of your job duties.”

In 2004, a federal appellate court in New York ruled that “tests, quizzes, homework problems, and other teaching materials” were works made for hire owned by the district and that the “academic tradition” of granting authors ownership of their own scholarly work cannot be applied to materials not explicitly intended for publication."

[Source = NEA]

   Again, this is in the USA, but there's a good chance that it's the same here in Korea as well. I'd love to hear from anybody that can confirm or deny this with links to official sites!

   
...This is all well and good, but in the end, it's hard for a school to claim your work if you've "accidentally" deleted it all from your hard drive...