Also, the parable you chose from the hadith was not a beautiful one to me. It was insulting. As far as I can gather it was an attempt by you to patronise me further. The prostitute offering a dog water is being kind and then Allah smiles on her because of her kindness. OK...and so? How does that apply to me? Am I the dirty prostitute, or the dog? Does that mean I have never performed a kindness to someone in need, and need to? Does it mean if I am kind, Allah/God will forgive me of my sins?? It didn't translate well at all.. and I treated it as a joke, because it is ridiculous as hell. Honestly...?? Was I supposed to take that well?
Of course it would be insulting if I used it as a parallel for you. Did I do that? No. I answered another users question relating to something else. The story was in no way supposed to draw any parallel to you as:
- You are not a prostitute
- You are not Muslim
- No animal is involved
In no way was this story relevant to you nor did it have any relationship to our previous discussion, you inferred it on your own. Why? I have no idea. I used this story because it is pretty well-known and simple to understand, the fact that a female was involved was purely coincidental. I really would've thought it would've been quite obvious that it wasn't about you.
The hadith is biblical exegesis much like the talmud/midrash is in Judaism. It's just a bunch of stories and commentaries from biblical fathers and scholars expounding on the main Quran text itself. Some of it becomes a part of the belief system as the culture sees fit...Doesn't sharia law do that to establish itself as Law and don't you follow your own type of sharia yourself?
You keep saying......beheadi ngs aren't the real Islam...it's Sharia.... stonings, and all of the bad shit we see about Islam, aren't the real Islam, it's Sharia...where does the "real Islam" start then? It doesn't! Islam and sharia law are intertwined. And u know it! I know you are fine with judging me and your own gay family (who you have mentioned here) and I find that truly awful. Who needs that hanging over them??! You must be the last person they wish to be at family gatherings!!!
Not sure if you're just making things up or are seriously misinformed, but here you go, this is why your arguments make no sense and are all over the place. Once and for all:
Islam
A Way of Life followed by people who believe in the One God/Allah and that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the final prophet in the long line of prophet's before him, including Jesus, Moses and Abraham. If you want to be a Muslim, you follow the Qur'an, you may follow authenticated hadiths to follow the 'sunnah', as long as they don't contradict the Qur'an's teaching, but you DO NOT follow Sharia over the Qur'an that is called 'Shirk', one of the most major sins in Islam (the worship of anything other than God).
Islam is what is written in the Qur'an and hadiths which illustrate said teachings through examples of how the prophet lived and what he did. Anything other than that falls outside of the definition of Islam.
Qur'an
The supreme authority of Islam as Muslims believe it to be the infallible and direct word of God. Nothing supersedes it.
It was revealed in a specific manner and this is important in understanding what it says. Each revelation came in
response to a particularly event, meaning understanding what was revealed demands an understandings of why it was
revealed.
The Hadiths
Notice I said Hadiths and not Hadith, as you did. That is because there are an estimated 2000 hadiths. The hadiths are an account of the prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) life, they are not interpretations of the Qur'an. They are accounts, by his companions, family members and others as to what he did and why. They help Muslims follow his example as he is believed to be the perfect example to follow. The issue is that not all hadiths are equal and some vary in authenticity. If ever there is a discrepancy between a hadith and the Qur'an, refer to my first sentence about the Qur'an.
Sharia
After the prophet's death, conflict ensued as to what was to become of Arabia. It was decided that an Empire would be formed and as a legal system they would combine select Qur'anic teachings (not meant to be used for this purpose) and contemporary Arabic cultural norms, traditions and customs to form a legal system known as Sharia. The word 'Sharia' refers to the drawing of the water from the well and was used as a metaphor to describe how Sharia should change with the times. Of course, it hasn't. It's become a tool by the house of Saud to maintain the status quo. It's man-made nonsense and Muslims who know better don't follow it as it changes according to the whims of the Saudi royal family.
I'm just a lesbian atheist to you....perhaps the scariest of creatures.....
...ugh
I'm going to let you in on something. Something people like you have a very hard time accepting. Here it is.... If we're talking about a Muslim who understands his/her Faith properly then there isn't a microscope on Earth powerful enough to locate the interest we'd have in what you do with your time.
- I don't think you're intimidating
- I don't think what you do is offensive
- I don't see you as a threat or anything you do as a threat
If you were to tell me you spent your weekend snogging the school cleaning lady, while sipping on Jack Daniels, eating hog maws and watching Richard Dawkins, I literally cannot express the insane level of indifference and 'meh' I'd feel. Please get it out of your head that you're some kind of rebel, this belated teenage rebellion is ridiculously cringey.
In fact my undergraduate was ....get this ...a degree in religious studies.
Ask for a refund
(Granted...I never really did study Islam as much as I would have liked to), but I do know a bit more than you think.
You can't even give me a proper definition of Islam, nor do you know what the hadiths are or what Sharia is. It sounds like you've never even met a Muslim. So, sorry if I have trouble believing that.
It's very hard for me to talk with you candidly about Islam in this forum and knowing that I am gay and sinning..
I just had lunch in the cafeteria around 150 Koreans who were "sinning" by eating pork. Do you really think I give the smallest of craps about your sexual preference? Have I given you any reason to suspect that you being a lesbian makes me too uncomfortable to have a conversation? As I said countless times, what other people do is none of my business, I don't care, I'm not required to care and my life becomes no better or worse if I do care.
I would encourage you to not judge me as well (even though you don't WANT judge me...you HAVE to because your god demands it)~ I'm not an asshole (as much as I would like to be....and scream at you from the top of my lungs), and I can't help but judge your beliefs because they pertain deeply to me and cut at my heart for being NORMAL, not a prostitute or a murderer. Being gay is normal, you asshole.
You want to know what my problem with you is? It's not that you're gay, it's not that you criticize Islam... do both with my blessing; my life and faith will not change in the slightest based on the actions of others. I truly do wish happiness for you, in whichever way you think is best.
My problem is that you write pages of criticism about Islam and you take no time trying to understand it. If you'd have spent 5% of the time you spend trying to be this "oppressed rebel" you'd understand that what you're saying is complete nonsense and that you're not doing anyone any favours, including yourself. This is not a Religious gripe, Islam actually encourages me to ignore you, this is my own personal gripe. I have a personal issue with people who criticize things they have no to very little understanding of, it's something I cant resist challenging.
You ask questions and don't read the answers... I can tell that you neither read nor understood the questions I answered in my previous post. The ones you requested. You asked me if being a Lesbian was a sin in Islam and I honestly told you, "yes", before that, the subject wasn't even brought up. I didn't judge you, I didn't mock your lifestyle, you brought everything up and you asked the questions. I merely answered truthfully. I explained how I treat all my family and friends fairly and without judgement (including the gay ones). You didn't read that part and still hold on to your strawman argument that I'm sitting across the table, looking at them with the scowl of a bigoted old man; I'd expect you to do that to someone who doesn't hold the same beliefs as you. When my family comes together, particularly on Eid, we all greet one another with love. At the lunch eid table will be my cousin who has a tattoo and works in fashion, my cousin who always wears her abaya, my bodybuilder cousin, my cousin who is hafiz (has memorized the entire Qur'an) my aunt and cousin who drink alcohol, my gay uncle and gay cousin etc.
It sounds like you don't know the first thing about Muslims in 2020. I also love how you spoke about my family in a previous post, apologized and then decided to go straight back into speaking about my family as if you know any of them... you're a phony.
Your views are the ones which are bigoted.
LAST OF US 2 as the "angry lesbian" game over and over. It's like...hey dudes....I'm gonna play the angry lesbian game!!!!!! Hyuck hyuck hyuck
'Angry Lesbian Game' wasn't meant to be that funny. On the humor scale, I give a nostril exhale, at best. If you actually played the game, I just finished it, you'd get the inside joke of the expression. Hate to tell you, but American Pie and Adam Sandler jokes died a looooong time ago and those 12yr old boys have grown up.
I think you're in love with the idea of being some sort of rebel and you need to have people be shocked at your 'alternative' choices and lifestyle. It's 2020, even my most conservative Muslim auntie from back home wouldn't bat an eye at going to my gay cousin to get her hair done or getting the family together to pay for my gay uncle's dialysis treatment, which she did.
You're not being punk rock or anything, but hey, if you thinking of yourself as some romanticized vigilante of rebellion and a symbol of resistance simply because you take a fancy to the ladies makes you feel better, then by all means, I'll humour you "Absolutely Haram, the Gays must burn in the fires of Judgement and we must stop their spread etc. etc."
Do you feel important now?
