RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Yeah there's no middle ground with martino. 95% of people I know don't live with their parents and not a single one has had an overdose, killed someone, filed for bankruptcy, etc. They are all doing well, though. What kind of people do you hang out with martino?

You were living on the streets and running a gang by 18. 

 

What kind of people do you hang out with martino?

People who need help using phone map apps. 

Yeah there's no middle ground with martino. 95% of people I know don't live with their parents and not a single one has had an overdose, killed someone, filed for bankruptcy, etc. They are all doing well, though. What kind of people do you hang out with martino?

1 who died of liver and kidney failure at 26 from alcohol. 2 who OD'd on fentanyl, one of them leaving behind a toddler.

Glad you've never gotten that news.

Entirely depends on why people are living at home to be honest. Living with  your parents (if you can) to save up enough money for a house is a good idea since its technically an investment, plus paying rent is a plague.

I get that the housing market (in the US at least, I don't know about here) is awful, but people who do have to live with their parents should at least be saving for the future. I know a lot of guys that live at home that just blow all their paychecks on weed and shit.

I feel like waygook.org user Mr. DeMartino could literally say something innocuous like, "Some birds can fly," and half the active users would start arguing with him over it.

I feel like waygook.org user Mr. DeMartino could literally say something innocuous like, "Some birds can fly," and half the active users would start arguing with him over it.

Conversely, I feel like any waygook.org user could literally say something innocuous like, "Some birds can fly," and waygook.org user Mr. DeMartino would start arguing with them over it.

I feel like waygook.org user Mr. DeMartino could literally say something innocuous like, "Some birds can fly," and half the active users would start arguing with him over it.

But he doesn't say those things so it's a moot point.  If he comes out with something innocuous your theory can be put to the test. 

That's not true! MOST birds can fly, over 90% of species.

;)

1 who died of liver and kidney failure at 26 from alcohol. 2 who OD'd on fentanyl, one of them leaving behind a toddler.

Glad you've never gotten that news.

well, i'm sorry to hear that, but i'm not sure you can put the cause of addiction on moving out of your mum's house

well, i'm sorry to hear that, but i'm not sure you can put the cause of addiction on moving out of your mum's house

You don't think an immature mindset of "I don't want to live in an environment with rules!!!" contributed? You think if they stayed at home and focused on school instead of partying that would have happened?

Fact is many a young person back home moves out simply so they can get laid and party. It's not about learning financial responsibility because if you were being financially responsible you'd realize you could save massive amounts of money by not paying food, rent, and utilities.

"I moved out and took out a massive student loan to help pay for room and board and now I blame the rich for having to pay back that loan, but hey I learned responsibility and developed maturity."

this is a weird conversation train, even for you.

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me: moving out of your parents house helps to give you more life experiences, and makes you a generally more well-rounded person

you: i know people who DIED when they lived on their own

me: yes, but did they die because they moved out of their mum's house? or is it because they had an addiction and needed help?

you: living on your own is not financial responsible. also, these people only want to party

You don't think an immature mindset of "I don't want to live in an environment with rules!!!" contributed? You think if they stayed at home and focused on school instead of partying that would have happened?

Fact is many a young person back home moves out simply so they can get laid and party. It's not about learning financial responsibility because if you were being financially responsible you'd realize you could save massive amounts of money by not paying food, rent, and utilities.

"I moved out and took out a massive student loan to help pay for room and board and now I blame the rich for having to pay back that loan, but hey I learned responsibility and developed maturity."

My younger cousin stayed at home, ended up getting a girl pregnant right after high school, or near the end of high school, forget which; He stayed at home, looked after the kid etc. Then, he gets a great rugby scholarship type thing on his final year of being able to get into a professional rugby career, has a going away party, had sex with a girl who showed up to the party, who ended up being 15 (but was notorious for doing guys that were 16+ just to get them in trouble with the law) and almost got put onto a sex offenders list. The judge knew the girl and showed my cousin a bit of leniency over it.

Kids can stay at home and still party and get laid too AND still make stupid choices in life + not mature.
Kids can stay at home and do better in life.
Kids can move out at 18 and still make stupid choices in life and not mature.
Kids can move out at 18 and do better in life.

I think ultimately how one does / doesn't do depends more on other factors, not just home vs move out.

You don't think an immature mindset of "I don't want to live in an environment with rules!!!" contributed? You think if they stayed at home and focused on school instead of partying that would have happened?

Fact is many a young person back home moves out simply so they can get laid and party. It's not about learning financial responsibility because if you were being financially responsible you'd realize you could save massive amounts of money by not paying food, rent, and utilities.

"I moved out and took out a massive student loan to help pay for room and board and now I blame the rich for having to pay back that loan, but hey I learned responsibility and developed maturity."

I know a lot of people who once they went about a year after finishing up university and were still living at home got charged rent.  So, yeah if your parents were going to let you stay until you're married and never have to contribute to costs you could save money. 

Face it.  The fact is that if Koreans were the ones who culturally pushed their children towards independence and moving out, you'd be taking the opposite position and mocking stay at home westerner babies.  Your default position on any issue is defend Korea's practices as the most sound and sensible.  It's why no one takes you seriously. 

And since in your argument here you are clearly acknowledging two different cultural practices, what does that mean for your oft repeated stance that things really aren't any different between here and the west?  Kind of throws that out the window, doesn't it? 

Still waiting for the list of  “different skills” that are learned.

Don't worry, L I says that cameras everywhere lower crime.

I'm surprised by the fuzziness / lack of clarity in this Walmart surveillance footage (considering how fast technology has advanced).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50qXWSfozFI

How many will be caught and identified?

I remember when CCTV lacked this vivid color, so that's an improvement.

If the images were more clear (which is probably coming soon), more looters could be quickly found.

I'm not from the States, so please overlook my ignorance.
Why are they ALL black?

Face it.  The fact is that if Koreans were the ones who culturally pushed their children towards independence and moving out, you'd be taking the opposite position and mocking stay at home westerner babies.  Your default position on any issue is defend Korea's practices as the most sound and sensible.  It's why no one takes you seriously. 

And if it were reversed the same people would still be bitching about it and finding some way to talk condescendingly about Koreans. Their default position is to always shit on them.

And since in your argument here you are clearly acknowledging two different cultural practices, what does that mean for your oft repeated stance that things really aren't any different between here and the west?  Kind of throws that out the window, doesn't it?

In one of my posts I mentioned that a lot of Koreans DO move out. Also, this isn't just Koreans.  A lot of Middle Easter, Indian, African, etc. students stay at home. And you have plenty of westerners who stay at home in mom's basement as mentioned. One of my friends was Greek and both him and his older sister lived at home. They had stable, healthy lives and matured plenty. They also took care of family responsibilities and finished college with a minimum of student loans and no credit card debt. They also led drug-free lifestyles and if they wanted to drink, they would invite friends over to their house and their parents were fine with people having a few beers as long as they didn't get all rowdy. However, his younger sister and younger brother were more party animals and moved out, presumably so they could eff around and not deal with any rules. Both haven't had nearly the level of success of the other two and have failed to really mature as people and had a litany of issues during their young adult lives.

Regardless, the point that staying out home does not enable one to mature as a person is a bit off. Being able to do your own laundry is not precisely maturity. Maturity is something else.

Usually the people who make a big deal about being mature because they moved out are often less mature and less reliable than those who don't care if someone lived at home or not.

What different skills would those be?

As I said:

When I say different, I think Korean young adults tend to be better at accepting wisdom, working in groups, accepting discipline, maintaining schedules, setting limits on irresponsible behavior, etc.

Now this isn't everyone who lives at home- of course in both Korea and back home you have burnouts. But you also have people who lead drama free lives and transition well into adulthood and have successful careers and raise stable families. This idea that people who live at home are all sheltered pampered babies is nonsense. A lot of them are just low-key people who value saving a buck and don't need to go out and get wasted and aren't driven by raging hormones at the age of 18 but by academics and preparing for their future. And yes, they even manage to have relationships too and party some. Some of them even do stuff like start small businesses and so on. Many of them also aren't instantly turned off at having to deal with older people.

Two big skills they learned are perhaps two of the most valuable (and they're closely related): Impulse control and delayed gratification.

I used to think the same way about moving out and maturity. However reality and observation of outcomes has led me to conclude that at the very least there is minimal or no correlation and if anything, there might even be a correlation between staying at home and greater maturity (though with the caveat that this seems to decline with prosperity).

As I said:

When I say different, I think Korean young adults tend to be better at accepting wisdom, working in groups, accepting discipline, maintaining schedules, setting limits on irresponsible behavior, etc.

Now this isn't everyone who lives at home- of course in both Korea and back home you have burnouts. But you also have people who lead drama free lives and transition well into adulthood and have successful careers and raise stable families. This idea that people who live at home are all sheltered pampered babies is nonsense. A lot of them are just low-key people who value saving a buck and don't need to go out and get wasted and aren't driven by raging hormones at the age of 18 but by academics and preparing for their future. And yes, they even manage to have relationships too and party some. Some of them even do stuff like start small businesses and so on. Many of them also aren't instantly turned off at having to deal with older people.

Two big skills they learned are perhaps two of the most valuable (and they're closely related): Impulse control and delayed gratification.

I used to think the same way about moving out and maturity. However reality and observation of outcomes has led me to conclude that at the very least there is minimal or no correlation and if anything, there might even be a correlation between staying at home and greater maturity (though with the caveat that this seems to decline with prosperity).

There is so much bullshit in this post and thread in general. I'd say we can have a list of anecdotes showing mature and immature people in both situations. The most likely explanation is that moving out of home early is no reflection of maturity later on.

If somebody mature moves out of home, they will act maturely and grow as a person.
If somebody mature lives with their parents, they will act maturely and grow as a person.

If somebody immature lives with their parents, they will act immaturely and never move out.
If somebody immature moves out of home, they will act immaturely and screw themselves over.