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  • Colburnnn
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11920 on: June 04, 2020, 10:05:19 am »
Okay, and...?

Like, I still don't see why you feel him resisting arrest is relevant enough to bring up. If he had died while resisting arrest that would be one thing and this would be a worthwhile conversation, but as we all know, he was brutalized while restrained. Why do his decisions prior to being brutalized comes into play at all? There are any number of things that could've happened that day to prevent his death, and again, we could play this game of hypotheticals all day. Ultimately, none of them change the facts of how he died and that his death was clearly unjustified.

Because he played a part in escalating the situation.
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  • 745sticky
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11921 on: June 04, 2020, 10:10:08 am »
Because he played a part in escalating the situation.

Okay, and that still justifies literally nothing that happened afterwards. So, again, why is it even worth bringing up?

I mean, yeah, in a perfect world, nobody would escalate anything so nobody would get killed by cops. But this isn't a perfect world, and applying the appropriate amount of force based on the situation is part of a police officer's job. Cops shooting somebody because they reach for their wallet during a traffic stop is already bad enough, but at least you could argue that its involuntary in that sort of situation. I don't think you can say the same here, which is why people are so up in arms about it.



  • Colburnnn
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11922 on: June 04, 2020, 10:18:12 am »
Okay, and that still justifies literally nothing that happened afterwards. So, again, why is it even worth bringing up?

I mean, yeah, in a perfect world, nobody would escalate anything so nobody would get killed by cops. But this isn't a perfect world, and applying the appropriate amount of force based on the situation is part of a police officer's job. Cops shooting somebody because they reach for their wallet during a traffic stop is already bad enough, but at least you could argue that its involuntary in that sort of situation. I don't think you can say the same here, which is why people are so up in arms about it.



I never said it did justify it, not sure why you think I did.

My point is that escalating the situation may have caused the police officer to commit the act. You don't know that, I don't know that. But it most certainly didn't help. He obeys instructions, he PROBABLY doesn't die and the police officer PROBABLY doesn't commit the act.

George increased his chance of this type of thing happening by behaving the way he did. He didn't deserve death by any means, of course not, but he didn't do himself any favours.
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Colburnnn: Complains a lot, very sassy. Has a loudmouth.


  • 745sticky
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11923 on: June 04, 2020, 10:25:44 am »
I never said it did justify it, not sure why you think I did.

My point is that escalating the situation may have caused the police officer to commit the act. You don't know that, I don't know that. But it most certainly didn't help. He obeys instructions, he PROBABLY doesn't die and the police officer PROBABLY doesn't commit the act.

George increased his chance of this type of thing happening by behaving the way he did. He didn't deserve death by any means, of course not, but he didn't do himself any favours.

I never claimed that you said it justified it, not sure why you think I did.

My point is that everything above is completely irrelevant if we can agree (which I believe we can) that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I think that's doubly true if we can also agree (which I believe we can) that resisting arrest should not necessarily result in death.

So, again, I have absolutely no idea why you keep bringing him resisting arrest up as if it is at all relevant to the current conversation. Whether or not he "increased the chance of this type of thing happening," it shouldn't have happened. Full stop.

People are not protesting his death because a perfectly innocent angel was brutalized. People are protesting his death because it was unjustifiable. If what happened beforehand does not change whether is death was justified or not, it isn't relevant to the problem of police brutality. The onus isn't on citizens to prevent themselves from being killed by an officer, the onus is on the officer to apply the appropriate amount of force to any given situation, which is not what happened in this instance.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11924 on: June 04, 2020, 11:04:15 am »
I never claimed that you said it justified it, not sure why you think I did.

My point is that everything above is completely irrelevant if we can agree (which I believe we can) that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I think that's doubly true if we can also agree (which I believe we can) that resisting arrest should not necessarily result in death.

So, again, I have absolutely no idea why you keep bringing him resisting arrest up as if it is at all relevant to the current conversation. Whether or not he "increased the chance of this type of thing happening," it shouldn't have happened. Full stop.

People are not protesting his death because a perfectly innocent angel was brutalized. People are protesting his death because it was unjustifiable. If what happened beforehand does not change whether is death was justified or not, it isn't relevant to the problem of police brutality. The onus isn't on citizens to prevent themselves from being killed by an officer, the onus is on the officer to apply the appropriate amount of force to any given situation, which is not what happened in this instance.

Couldn't agree with you more. I seriously cannot fathom what Colburnnn's point is. The proper course of action in any instance, regardless of resisting arrest or not, is NOT to kneel on somebody's neck, brutalize them and ultimately take their life.


  • Kyndo
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11925 on: June 04, 2020, 11:09:41 am »
Rant:

School is back in session, which is nice, but for 3 or my schools, they want the teachers to come in an hour early to oversee the students entering the school. So I'm expected to be there at 7:30, which sucks because I have a 50 minute commute. Oh, *and* I've got a 10 month old baby that I need to get ready for orinijib before I leave (thank jebus they start early!).

Aside from having to wake up well before 6, it means that I cant go for my morning runs anymore. This doubly sucks because I'm usually not able to find the time to run after work.  :sad:

Man, I hope Corona goes away soon so that, among other things, I can sleep again...


  • Colburnnn
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    • August 10, 2015, 05:52:37 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11926 on: June 04, 2020, 11:16:45 am »
I never claimed that you said it justified it, not sure why you think I did.

My point is that everything above is completely irrelevant if we can agree (which I believe we can) that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I think that's doubly true if we can also agree (which I believe we can) that resisting arrest should not necessarily result in death.

So, again, I have absolutely no idea why you keep bringing him resisting arrest up as if it is at all relevant to the current conversation. Whether or not he "increased the chance of this type of thing happening," it shouldn't have happened. Full stop.

People are not protesting his death because a perfectly innocent angel was brutalized. People are protesting his death because it was unjustifiable. If what happened beforehand does not change whether is death was justified or not, it isn't relevant to the problem of police brutality. The onus isn't on citizens to prevent themselves from being killed by an officer, the onus is on the officer to apply the appropriate amount of force to any given situation, which is not what happened in this instance.

Perhaps we are talking about two different points.

I agree 100% that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I 99.9% agree that resisting arrest should not result in death (depending on the person being arrested not have a weapon that threatens the police officers life and the police officer having no other choice in disarming or removing said threat to their life)

George should not have lost his life. 100%. He had no reason to resist arrest and I wish this was called out more within the black community. If every black person (and white - just topic is black people right now) adopted this approach when questioned by law enforcement. The police would have NOWHERE to hide, no EXCUSES, NOTHING. Unfortunately the police know this isn't the case and are always aware of the potential threat.

The onus is on people to not commit crimes. Once you do, you open yourself up to interactions with the police.

I shall repeat. George did not deserve to die. This cop deserves to rot in jail.

You are responsible for your own actions in life, no one elses. All cops are not responsible for one cops actions, one black person is not responsible for all black peoples actions so on and so on. This group think (identity politics) needs to be left behind if we are to get peace. But obviously that is not what some people are after.
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  • 745sticky
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11927 on: June 04, 2020, 11:38:24 am »
I'll try to respond to this a little less abrasively, because I don't believe that you have negative intentions.

Perhaps we are talking about two different points.

I agree 100% that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I 99.9% agree that resisting arrest should not result in death (depending on the person being arrested not have a weapon that threatens the police officers life and the police officer having no other choice in disarming or removing said threat to their life)

There are certainly cases where lethal force in self-defense is justified or even necessary. I think I said this on another thread, but nobody (or at least most people) is going out and protesting over somebody dying in a shootout, or during an armed robbery.

George should not have lost his life. 100%. He had no reason to resist arrest and I wish this was called out more within the black community. If every black person (and white - just topic is black people right now) adopted this approach when questioned by law enforcement. The police would have NOWHERE to hide, no EXCUSES, NOTHING. Unfortunately the police know this isn't the case and are always aware of the potential threat.

The issue I have with this is that "He had no reason to resist arrest and I wish this was called out more within the black community" should be "The officer had no reason to place his knee on a cuffed person's neck for 8 minutes." It is true that people should not resist arrest. It is also true that people should not commit crimes generally. However, we are not living in fantasyland.

The onus is on people to not commit crimes. Once you do, you open yourself up to interactions with the police.

And once those interactions are opened, the onus is on the police to approach the situation responsibly and and enforce the law appropriately.

I'm not claiming that policing is an easy job. I'm not claiming that there isn't an us vs. them mentality which makes gauging certain situations difficult. However, that's why there should be rigorous training to ensure that the only people on the force are people who can handle difficult situations with a clear head.

Because we should hold our peacekeepers to higher standards than the average citizen. They are choosing to take on a role of responsibility, and part of responsibility is accountability when you abuse your power or even simply fail.

You are responsible for your own actions in life, no one elses. All cops are not responsible for one cops actions, one black person is not responsible for all black peoples actions so on and so on. This group think (identity politics) needs to be left behind if we are to get peace. But obviously that is not what some people are after.

I don't entirely disagree, although I'd argue that the 3 cops standing around the guy and letting him kneel on somebody's neck are at least somewhat responsible.

And ultimately, although we are all responsible for our own lives, I'd personally argue that Floyd is not responsible for somebody kneeling on his neck.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11928 on: June 04, 2020, 11:57:42 am »
Rant:

School is back in session, which is nice, but for 3 or my schools, they want the teachers to come in an hour early to oversee the students entering the school. So I'm expected to be there at 7:30, which sucks because I have a 50 minute commute. Oh, *and* I've got a 10 month old baby that I need to get ready for orinijib before I leave (thank jebus they start early!).

Aside from having to wake up well before 6, it means that I cant go for my morning runs anymore. This doubly sucks because I'm usually not able to find the time to run after work.  :sad:

Man, I hope Corona goes away soon so that, among other things, I can sleep again...

That sucks, especially with a young baby to care for. Hopefully it will be better next semester.

My main school is doing the same, but they only need a handful of teachers to monitor at a time, so they're taking turns, and each teacher only has this duty once every 2 weeks. I got excluded from it altogether even though I basically tried to sneak my name into The Choosening, but they were wise to my antics and told me to go back to my room.  >:(


  • pkjh
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    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11929 on: June 04, 2020, 01:17:56 pm »
Rant:

School is back in session, which is nice, but for 3 or my schools, they want the teachers to come in an hour early to oversee the students entering the school. So I'm expected to be there at 7:30, which sucks because I have a 50 minute commute. Oh, *and* I've got a 10 month old baby that I need to get ready for orinijib before I leave (thank jebus they start early!).

Aside from having to wake up well before 6, it means that I cant go for my morning runs anymore. This doubly sucks because I'm usually not able to find the time to run after work.  :sad:

Man, I hope Corona goes away soon so that, among other things, I can sleep again...
I'm curious, are those schools private? It sounds like you're in a rural private school. I don't think that would fly in my school. Lots of teachers from far away from the school, they'd raise a rukus if it was forced on them.


  • oglop
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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11930 on: June 04, 2020, 01:22:52 pm »
If they tried that at my school, the teachers would cause a huge ruckus, but also demand to get paid for it. Hope you're getting paid extra, kyndo


  • Kyndo
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11931 on: June 04, 2020, 01:26:47 pm »
2 of them are private schools, yep.
The 3rd is public. They're all in the same area, so maybe it's a municipal recommendation or something?

I'm not getting paid, but I *am* getting the second half of my day at my elementary school off every week. Going home at lunchtime on Fridays is nice!


  • pkjh
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11932 on: June 04, 2020, 01:38:15 pm »
2 of them are private schools, yep.
The 3rd is public. They're all in the same area, so maybe it's a municipal recommendation or something?

I'm not getting paid, but I *am* getting the second half of my day at my elementary school off every week. Going home at lunchtime on Fridays is nice!
Wow 4 schools, and I think my current 2 schools is a big hassle... lol


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11933 on: June 04, 2020, 02:08:28 pm »
School is back in session, which is nice, but for 3 or my schools, they want the teachers to come in an hour early to oversee the students entering the school. So I'm expected to be there at 7:30, which sucks because I have a 50 minute commute. Oh, *and* I've got a 10 month old baby that I need to get ready for orinijib before I leave (thank jebus they start early!).

Aside from having to wake up well before 6, it means that I cant go for my morning runs anymore. This doubly sucks because I'm usually not able to find the time to run after work.  :sad:

Man, I hope Corona goes away soon so that, among other things, I can sleep again...

That's a crap shoot.  Is it just one day, or every day?  We have the thermal imaging camera and they made a rota for the morning arrivals and the lunch time checking.  So each teacher has one time, once a week.  But before they made the rota they messaged around asking about the teachers with young kids, and they were given lunch time duties, so they didn't have to come in early.

For the sleeping problem, have you tried lying on the edge of your bed.......


  • Kyndo
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11934 on: June 05, 2020, 08:20:18 am »
That's a crap shoot.  Is it just one day, or every day?  We have the thermal imaging camera and they made a rota for the morning arrivals and the lunch time checking.  So each teacher has one time, once a week.  But before they made the rota they messaged around asking about the teachers with young kids, and they were given lunch time duties, so they didn't have to come in early.

For the sleeping problem, have you tried lying on the edge of your bed.......

Only 3 days a week, thankfully!
Nobody trusts me with the thermal cameras, but they do trust me enough to hand around the side door and tell the kiddos to go around to the front. Because, you know, locking it would violate fire safety rules. Which is rich because there's construction going on currently, and the workers leave big jerry-cans full of petrol sitting around on the playing field...

As for lying on the edge of my bed... I might've tried it, I dunno. I'm usually asleep as soon as I lay down (until about an hour later when the baby demands bottle, rinse, repeat).

I complain, but it's not unbearable. And it'll only get better, I guess.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2020, 08:23:12 am by kyndo »


  • oglop
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11935 on: June 06, 2020, 09:57:26 am »
why do so many korean parents give their kids obviously shit haircuts? has anyone else noticed this? do they hate their own children or something?


  • stoat
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    • March 05, 2019, 06:36:13 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11936 on: June 06, 2020, 11:32:14 am »
I give my kid a really shit haircut every couple of months. But at least I don't pay for it.  :smiley:


  • JNM
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11937 on: June 06, 2020, 02:59:34 pm »
I give my kid a really shit haircut every couple of months. But at least I don't pay for it.  :smiley:

The difference between a bad haircut and a good haircut is 2-3 weeks.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11938 on: June 09, 2020, 11:01:14 pm »
Was looking over a contract and screaming (internally, so as not to disturb my neighbors) at my computer whilst reading it. 


  • stoat
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11939 on: June 10, 2020, 08:28:41 am »
The ground floor apartment in our block is being renovated and they've been digging up the entire concrete floor with pneumatic drills for the past week. Any of you experts in the building trade know why this would be necessary?