RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0

Stealing food is a crime, breaking windows is a crime, defacing private property is a crime, throwing bricks at people is a crime, using counterfeit money is a crime, setting cars on fire is a crime.

Don't justify these crimes because a policeman abused his power to control someone resisting arrest. Not a good look. We have law and order for a reason. If you think it is ok to break them, whats to stop the other millions of people doing it too.

It's all fun and games until these criminals 'protest' at your business, your family home, destroying things you took years to build, things that serve your community.

He murdered a man already handcuffed and on the ground who was begging for his life, calling out for his dead mother. Call it what it is and do not minimize what actually happened.

No amount of destruction of 'things' justifies the destruction of life. Or do you value your own life so little as well?

Yes, what they are doing is criminal. Stealing a bike does not incur the death penalty. These stores have insurance and have been told repeatedly by their governments to not try defending them and causing more violence. They are endangering themselves to be in the middle and playing judge and jury by going after those who are breaking said laws. That is not their job. Destroying or stealing a 'thing' does not justify someone else murdering them in retaliation. Murder is never the answer!

because a policeman abused his power to control someone resisting arrest.

I mean lets keep it accurate tbf, he was already pretty well under control when the actual abuse of power was occurring.

america was born this way. my city takes a great amount of pride in the fact that they destroyed a bunch of tea. would it be better if they were blowing up the cars instead of stealing them?

Stealing food is a crime,

You are Inspector Javert, and I claim my 20 sous.

He murdered a man already handcuffed and on the ground who was begging for his life, calling out for his dead mother. Call it what it is and do not minimize what actually happened.

No amount of destruction of 'things' justifies the destruction of life. Or do you value your own life so little as well?

Yes, what they are doing is criminal. Stealing a bike does not incur the death penalty. These stores have insurance and have been told repeatedly by their governments to not try defending them and causing more violence. They are endangering themselves to be in the middle and playing judge and jury by going after those who are breaking said laws. That is not their job. Destroying or stealing a 'thing' does not justify someone else murdering them in retaliation. Murder is never the answer!

He abused his power by murdering a man who resisted arrest. You want to call it what it is? Be accurate. No resisting, no death.

Correct, it is the job of law enforcement to go after those breaking said laws. They should use reasonable force to do so. When this is not possible, due to violent protestors, force is acceptable.

I mean lets keep it accurate tbf, he was already pretty well under control when the actual abuse of power was occurring.

True, point remains, no resisting, no death, no riots.

True, point remains, no resisting, no death, no riots.

I mean yeah, but that's sort of a pointless hypothetical. We could also say no kneeling on a guy's neck, no death, no riots.
And I'd like to think that our law enforcement should be held to stricter standards than the average citizen (or criminal).

He murdered a man already handcuffed and on the ground who was begging for his life, calling out for his dead mother. Call it what it is and do not minimize what actually happened.

No amount of destruction of 'things' justifies the destruction of life. Or do you value your own life so little as well?

Yes, what they are doing is criminal. Stealing a bike does not incur the death penalty. These stores have insurance and have been told repeatedly by their governments to not try defending them and causing more violence. They are endangering themselves to be in the middle and playing judge and jury by going after those who are breaking said laws. That is not their job. Destroying or stealing a 'thing' does not justify someone else murdering them in retaliation. Murder is never the answer!

What if you are doing a crossword puzzle, where the answer is clearly 'murder'? :O

I mean yeah, but that's sort of a pointless hypothetical. We could also say no kneeling on a guy's neck, no death, no riots.
And I'd like to think that our law enforcement should be held to stricter standards than the average citizen (or criminal).

Right, but you know he knelt on his neck BECAUSE he resisted, right? Get in the car, no resisting OR neck kneeling. Deal with the punishment of using counterfeit money like anyone else should have to.

Me too, and not once have I defended killing someone. This guy was a murderer.

The police have to role of enforcing the law. Not citizens.

What if you are doing a crossword puzzle, where the answer is clearly 'murder'? :O

You win this round.

Right, but you know he knelt on his neck BECAUSE he resisted, right? Get in the car, no resisting OR neck kneeling. Deal with the punishment of using counterfeit money like anyone else should have to.

Me too, and not once have I defended killing someone. This guy was a murderer.

The police have to role of enforcing the law. Not citizens.

Based on all evidence and history of George Floyd's life and patronage of that store, they have said it is very likely he didn't even know that it may have been counterfeit as is common. And this is the most important part of it though, it is a suspected counterfeit. It isn't documented that the police even checked for it being real before approaching Floyd's car with guns already drawn demanding he get out with his hands up, which he complied with.

And what is the punishment of using counterfeit money? For most, unknowing, they are asked questions by police to garner the whereabouts of the money's origin. According to every source I've found, the highest penalty for knowingly using counterfeit money less than $1,000 is up to 1 year in prison and a fine up to $3,000. The police did not know if he was aware of the legitimacy of the bill, if they even tested or had retrieved the bill leading up to them approaching him with gun drawn, nor have they released if the bill is indeed fake since then.

But evidently the punishment of using counterfeit money and the officer's immediately escalating the situation upon their first interaction with Floyd, justifies their actions of restraint. They got him into the car. Despite a small struggle, he was in the car. Then they pulled him out and put him face first on the ground where Chauvin then placed his knee on Floyd's neck.

He was in the car, not harming the officer's and they chose to take him back out and kill him on suspicion of a counterfeit $20 bill that they may not have even retrieved or tested, or discussed the origin of.

Right, but you know he knelt on his neck BECAUSE he resisted, right? Get in the car, no resisting OR neck kneeling. Deal with the punishment of using counterfeit money like anyone else should have to.

Some people keep saying this, but there is no evidence for his resisting other than the words of the officers.  The owners of the check-cashing  store say he did not resist, and video footage of a nearby restaurant (while not providing 100% coverage) has no evidence of his resisting.

Also, his "using" counterfeit money--I've passed (or tried to) a counterfeit 20 once, but I had no idea it was counterfeit, and pretty sure got it in change back from a convenience store.  I was out twenty bucks, but no one knelt on my neck--not even for a second.

Based on all evidence and history of George Floyd's life and patronage of that store, they have said it is very likely he didn't even know that it may have been counterfeit as is common. And this is the most important part of it though, it is a suspected counterfeit. It isn't documented that the police even checked for it being real before approaching Floyd's car with guns already drawn demanding he get out with his hands up, which he complied with.

And what is the punishment of using counterfeit money? For most, unknowing, they are asked questions by police to garner the whereabouts of the money's origin. According to every source I've found, the highest penalty for knowingly using counterfeit money less than $1,000 is up to 1 year in prison and a fine up to $3,000. The police did not know if he was aware of the legitimacy of the bill, if they even tested or had retrieved the bill leading up to them approaching him with gun drawn, nor have they released if the bill is indeed fake since then.

But evidently the punishment of using counterfeit money and the officer's immediately escalating the situation upon their first interaction with Floyd, justifies their actions of restraint. They got him into the car. Despite a small struggle, he was in the car. Then they pulled him out and put him face first on the ground where Chauvin then placed his knee on Floyd's neck.

He was in the car, not harming the officer's and they chose to take him back out and kill him on suspicion of a counterfeit $20 bill that they may not have even retrieved or tested, or discussed the origin of.

I also read somewhere, there is footage that shows the police beat him in the car before taking him out and holding him by his neck too.

True, point remains, no resisting, no death, no riots.

The guy had 7 minutes to take his knee off the guy's neck. And he's supposed to be a trained cop, not some regular guy who was angry after a fight. Any of the 3 other cops could have maybe suggested to take it ease after like 30 seconds.

Right, but you know he knelt on his neck BECAUSE he resisted, right? Get in the car, no resisting OR neck kneeling. Deal with the punishment of using counterfeit money like anyone else should have to.

Me too, and not once have I defended killing someone. This guy was a murderer.

The police have to role of enforcing the law. Not citizens.

There shouldn't be any neck kneeling regardless. Just because I leave my door unlocked doesn't mean that its ok to rob me, just because he resisted arrest doesn't mean its ok to kneel on his neck.

There shouldn't be any neck kneeling regardless. Just because I leave my door unlocked doesn't mean that its ok to rob me, just because he resisted arrest doesn't mean its ok to kneel on his neck.

I didn't say it was ok. It just wouldn't have happened.

I didn't say it was ok. It just wouldn't have happened.

Yeah, and again, I don't see how that is at all relevant.

Do you know how else it just wouldn't have happened? If the officer hadn't knelt on the guy's neck. Or had gotten off it after a few seconds or however long it took him to figure out the dude cuffed and on the ground was restrained. Or if any of the 3 officers surrounding him had suggested that the officer get off his neck so they could get him in the car.

Yeah, and again, I don't see how that is at all relevant.

Do you know how else it just wouldn't have happened? If the officer hadn't knelt on the guy's neck. Or had gotten off it after a few seconds or however long it took him to figure out the dude cuffed and on the ground was restrained. Or if any of the 3 officers surrounding him had suggested that the officer get off his neck so they could get him in the car.

Because that happened earlier in the timeline than the kneeling. Resisting arrest triggered this murderer to commit the act. If George said ''Hello officers, I would be happy to assist you in your investigation for my alleged use of counterfeit currency. I deny my role in this event and was unaware of the currency used being counterfeit.'' I doubt he would end up with a knee on his neck.

Because that happened earlier in the timeline than the kneeling. Resisting arrest triggered this murderer to commit the act. If George said ''Hello officers, I would be happy to assist you in your investigation for my alleged use of counterfeit currency. I deny my role in this event and was unaware of the currency used being counterfeit.'' I doubt he would end up with a knee on his neck.

Right... that exactly happened to Charles Kinsey. And he wasn't combative at all.

Because that happened earlier in the timeline than the kneeling. Resisting arrest triggered this murderer to commit the act. If George said ''Hello officers, I would be happy to assist you in your investigation for my alleged use of counterfeit currency. I deny my role in this event and was unaware of the currency used being counterfeit.'' I doubt he would end up with a knee on his neck.

Okay, and...?

Like, I still don't see why you feel him resisting arrest is relevant enough to bring up. If he had died while resisting arrest that would be one thing and this would be a worthwhile conversation, but as we all know, he was brutalized while restrained. Why do his decisions prior to being brutalized comes into play at all? There are any number of things that could've happened that day to prevent his death, and again, we could play this game of hypotheticals all day. Ultimately, none of them change the facts of how he died and that his death was clearly unjustified.