Because that happened earlier in the timeline than the kneeling. Resisting arrest triggered this murderer to commit the act. If George said ''Hello officers, I would be happy to assist you in your investigation for my alleged use of counterfeit currency. I deny my role in this event and was unaware of the currency used being counterfeit.'' I doubt he would end up with a knee on his neck.
Right... that exactly happened to Charles Kinsey. And he wasn't combative at all.
Okay, and...?Like, I still don't see why you feel him resisting arrest is relevant enough to bring up. If he had died while resisting arrest that would be one thing and this would be a worthwhile conversation, but as we all know, he was brutalized while restrained. Why do his decisions prior to being brutalized comes into play at all? There are any number of things that could've happened that day to prevent his death, and again, we could play this game of hypotheticals all day. Ultimately, none of them change the facts of how he died and that his death was clearly unjustified.
Because he played a part in escalating the situation.
Okay, and that still justifies literally nothing that happened afterwards. So, again, why is it even worth bringing up? I mean, yeah, in a perfect world, nobody would escalate anything so nobody would get killed by cops. But this isn't a perfect world, and applying the appropriate amount of force based on the situation is part of a police officer's job. Cops shooting somebody because they reach for their wallet during a traffic stop is already bad enough, but at least you could argue that its involuntary in that sort of situation. I don't think you can say the same here, which is why people are so up in arms about it.
I never said it did justify it, not sure why you think I did.My point is that escalating the situation may have caused the police officer to commit the act. You don't know that, I don't know that. But it most certainly didn't help. He obeys instructions, he PROBABLY doesn't die and the police officer PROBABLY doesn't commit the act.George increased his chance of this type of thing happening by behaving the way he did. He didn't deserve death by any means, of course not, but he didn't do himself any favours.
I never claimed that you said it justified it, not sure why you think I did. My point is that everything above is completely irrelevant if we can agree (which I believe we can) that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I think that's doubly true if we can also agree (which I believe we can) that resisting arrest should not necessarily result in death. So, again, I have absolutely no idea why you keep bringing him resisting arrest up as if it is at all relevant to the current conversation. Whether or not he "increased the chance of this type of thing happening," it shouldn't have happened. Full stop. People are not protesting his death because a perfectly innocent angel was brutalized. People are protesting his death because it was unjustifiable. If what happened beforehand does not change whether is death was justified or not, it isn't relevant to the problem of police brutality. The onus isn't on citizens to prevent themselves from being killed by an officer, the onus is on the officer to apply the appropriate amount of force to any given situation, which is not what happened in this instance.
Perhaps we are talking about two different points.I agree 100% that he shouldn't have had his neck knelt on. I 99.9% agree that resisting arrest should not result in death (depending on the person being arrested not have a weapon that threatens the police officers life and the police officer having no other choice in disarming or removing said threat to their life)
George should not have lost his life. 100%. He had no reason to resist arrest and I wish this was called out more within the black community. If every black person (and white - just topic is black people right now) adopted this approach when questioned by law enforcement. The police would have NOWHERE to hide, no EXCUSES, NOTHING. Unfortunately the police know this isn't the case and are always aware of the potential threat.
The onus is on people to not commit crimes. Once you do, you open yourself up to interactions with the police.
You are responsible for your own actions in life, no one elses. All cops are not responsible for one cops actions, one black person is not responsible for all black peoples actions so on and so on. This group think (identity politics) needs to be left behind if we are to get peace. But obviously that is not what some people are after.
Rant:School is back in session, which is nice, but for 3 or my schools, they want the teachers to come in an hour early to oversee the students entering the school. So I'm expected to be there at 7:30, which sucks because I have a 50 minute commute. Oh, *and* I've got a 10 month old baby that I need to get ready for orinijib before I leave (thank jebus they start early!).Aside from having to wake up well before 6, it means that I cant go for my morning runs anymore. This doubly sucks because I'm usually not able to find the time to run after work. Man, I hope Corona goes away soon so that, among other things, I can sleep again...
2 of them are private schools, yep.The 3rd is public. They're all in the same area, so maybe it's a municipal recommendation or something?I'm not getting paid, but I *am* getting the second half of my day at my elementary school off every week. Going home at lunchtime on Fridays is nice!
School is back in session, which is nice, but for 3 or my schools, they want the teachers to come in an hour early to oversee the students entering the school. So I'm expected to be there at 7:30, which sucks because I have a 50 minute commute. Oh, *and* I've got a 10 month old baby that I need to get ready for orinijib before I leave (thank jebus they start early!).Aside from having to wake up well before 6, it means that I cant go for my morning runs anymore. This doubly sucks because I'm usually not able to find the time to run after work. Man, I hope Corona goes away soon so that, among other things, I can sleep again...
That's a crap shoot. Is it just one day, or every day? We have the thermal imaging camera and they made a rota for the morning arrivals and the lunch time checking. So each teacher has one time, once a week. But before they made the rota they messaged around asking about the teachers with young kids, and they were given lunch time duties, so they didn't have to come in early. For the sleeping problem, have you tried lying on the edge of your bed.......
I give my kid a really shit haircut every couple of months. But at least I don't pay for it.