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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11440 on: February 26, 2020, 01:28:24 pm »
could just reduce massive tariffs on imported goods. although australian beef isn't as expensive as it once was
That can help, but in the case of beef, there simply isn't enough possible domestic production to satisfy domestic demand for it to be low cost so the imports are the only way to cheaper beef. You're right that Australian/American beef is much cheaper these days.

But I just can't get behind this mentality-
"I want cheap beef, cheap grain to feed them with, but have it be ecologically sustainable and as humane as possible with plenty of space for the cattle to roam, have all workers make a living wage with full benefits, raised in heated ecologically friendly facilities, have them transported in green vehicles, strictly monitored to prevent contamination, have carbon offsets for the methane the cows produce, oh and also these guidelines should apply to the nation's poultry, pork, farms, and orchards, all of which should be cheap year round while everyone lives in big houses in nice subdivisions in a country that is what, 75% mountains and has 50 million people in an area the size of Indiana and has to deal with a nuclear armed nation its technically at war with on its border and no natural resources to speak of."

Like, what planet are these people living on?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11441 on: February 26, 2020, 02:19:51 pm »
That can help, but in the case of beef, there simply isn't enough possible domestic production to satisfy domestic demand for it to be low cost so the imports are the only way to cheaper beef. You're right that Australian/American beef is much cheaper these days.

But I just can't get behind this mentality-
"I want cheap beef, cheap grain to feed them with, but have it be ecologically sustainable and as humane as possible with plenty of space for the cattle to roam, have all workers make a living wage with full benefits, raised in heated ecologically friendly facilities, have them transported in green vehicles, strictly monitored to prevent contamination, have carbon offsets for the methane the cows produce, oh and also these guidelines should apply to the nation's poultry, pork, farms, and orchards, all of which should be cheap year round while everyone lives in big houses in nice subdivisions in a country that is what, 75% mountains and has 50 million people in an area the size of Indiana and has to deal with a nuclear armed nation its technically at war with on its border and no natural resources to speak of."

Like, what planet are these people living on?

Damn, LI must've gone in and edited all those criteria out of his post.  All I saw were prices per kilo of beef in different countries.  What a pettifogger that guy is!


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11442 on: February 26, 2020, 02:29:59 pm »
That can help, but in the case of beef, there simply isn't enough possible domestic production to satisfy domestic demand for it to be low cost so the imports are the only way to cheaper beef. You're right that Australian/American beef is much cheaper these days.

yes but groceries here are criminally overpriced anyway- for everything. domestic and imported


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11443 on: February 26, 2020, 02:39:15 pm »
One of the sentences taught in the learning numbers section of the new textbook: "The watermelon is 30,000 won."

30,000?!  :huh:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11444 on: February 26, 2020, 02:42:25 pm »
yes but groceries here are criminally overpriced anyway- for everything. domestic and imported

To some extent, it depends what you buy, and where you buy it, though. Shopping at E-Mart or HomePlus or any of those major chains for basics like vegetables is offensively expensive. But if you buy your vegetables at a local market, they're usually pretty cheap. In a lot of cases, cheaper than you'd find at a western grocery store. Especially for things like radish, bok choy, cabbage, spinach, etc. Although onions and potatoes are weirdly expensive, still. You can get really good deals on seafood and meat online, too, if you keep your eyes out for them. Groceries are overpriced here, but there are a lot of ways to mitigate how expensive they can be.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11445 on: February 26, 2020, 02:54:05 pm »
To some extent, it depends what you buy, and where you buy it, though. Shopping at E-Mart or HomePlus or any of those major chains for basics like vegetables is offensively expensive. But if you buy your vegetables at a local market, they're usually pretty cheap. In a lot of cases, cheaper than you'd find at a western grocery store. Especially for things like radish, bok choy, cabbage, spinach, etc. Although onions and potatoes are weirdly expensive, still. You can get really good deals on seafood and meat online, too, if you keep your eyes out for them. Groceries are overpriced here, but there are a lot of ways to mitigate how expensive they can be.
well, yeah, you can find places that aren't so expensive. but i'm struggling to think of a single thing i buy regularly that isn't more expensive here than it is in the uk- even at local marts or online (both of which i do anyway)

even when you buy in the marts, a lot of it isn't even fresh or good quality, either. so not only are you paying over the odds, you're also buying products that are shit quality



Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11446 on: February 26, 2020, 03:01:24 pm »
yes but groceries here are criminally overpriced anyway- for everything. domestic and imported
And do you think the population density and arable land as well as relative geographic isolation has something to do with that?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11447 on: February 26, 2020, 03:07:03 pm »
well, yeah, you can find places that aren't so expensive. but i'm struggling to think of a single thing i buy regularly that isn't more expensive here than it is in the uk- even at local marts or online (both of which i do anyway)

even when you buy in the marts, a lot of it isn't even fresh or good quality, either. so not only are you paying over the odds, you're also buying products that are shit quality

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11448 on: February 26, 2020, 03:09:58 pm »
more likely to do with protectionist import policies

half the stuff i'd buy in the uk would be grown/made from outside the uk - often outside europe altogether.

it doesn't even have to be fresh products. i mean, look at electronics. samsung phones are more expensive in korea than what, anywhere else in the world?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11449 on: February 26, 2020, 03:17:14 pm »
more likely to do with protectionist import policies

half the stuff i'd buy in the uk would be grown/made from outside the uk - often outside europe altogether.

it doesn't even have to be fresh products. i mean, look at electronics. samsung phones are more expensive in korea than what, anywhere else in the world?
The UK has much more arable land and lower population density. Also, it is in much closer proximity to friendly trading nations. That's before you get to the legacy benefits of 400 years of Empire. Could we find ways to lower prices in Korea? Sure. But I think we should acknowledge the circumstances that the country has to deal with, especially for agriculture.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11450 on: February 26, 2020, 03:32:41 pm »
well, yeah, you can find places that aren't so expensive. but i'm struggling to think of a single thing i buy regularly that isn't more expensive here than it is in the uk- even at local marts or online (both of which i do anyway)

even when you buy in the marts, a lot of it isn't even fresh or good quality, either. so not only are you paying over the odds, you're also buying products that are shit quality



One thing that comes to mind immediately is fresh shellfish. Mussels, scallops, oysters, clams, etc are all waaaaaay cheaper here than they are in North America, at least.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11451 on: February 26, 2020, 03:35:23 pm »
People, give it up, DM has a bee in his bonnet, Korea has no chance of competitive prices because virtually no arable land and its far from friendly countries in his opinion. NOTHING you can say will persuade him otherwise. He will defend Korea even if you prove him totally incorrect. It is  just not worth the energy.
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11452 on: February 26, 2020, 03:37:58 pm »
One thing that comes to mind immediately is fresh shellfish. Mussels, scallops, oysters, clams, etc are all waaaaaay cheaper here than they are in North America, at least.
ah really. not a big seafood fan, so you may be right there. i like tuna though, and cans of tuna are insanely priced here :(


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11453 on: February 26, 2020, 03:48:18 pm »
ah really. not a big seafood fan, so you may be right there. i like tuna though, and cans of tuna are insanely priced here :(

I wonder if Long John Silvers would be successful here....chicken, fish and shrimp.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11454 on: February 26, 2020, 06:12:19 pm »
People, give it up, DM has a bee in his bonnet, Korea has no chance of competitive prices because virtually no arable land and its far from friendly countries in his opinion. NOTHING you can say will persuade him otherwise. He will defend Korea even if you prove him totally incorrect. It is  just not worth the energy.
FFS dude, you can't ignore things like population density, arable land, relative geographic isolation and lack of overland trade routes when discussing food prices.

You might as well be like "Why are natural gas and petroleum so expensive here???"
"Well Korea has no petroleum reserves and no pipeline. It's two closest neighbors consume a crapton, one of which also has no reserves..."
"DMART IS DEFENDING KOREA!!!!"


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11455 on: February 26, 2020, 06:24:17 pm »
Quote
FFS dude, you can't ignore things like population density, arable land, relative geographic isolation and lack of overland trade routes when discussing food prices.

You might as well be like "Why are natural gas and petroleum so expensive here???"
"Well Korea has no petroleum reserves and no pipeline. It's two closest neighbors consume a crapton, one of which also has no reserves..."
"DMART IS DEFENDING KOREA!!!!"

Now, pay attention pettifogger...make sure you take your time and fill this out accurately, OK?




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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11456 on: February 26, 2020, 07:11:35 pm »
weird innit. older guys here seem to lock on to my path and try to shoulder barge me on purpose.

One of the funniest things I saw in Korea was an old lady attempt a shoulder-check on my (former rugby player) wife.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11457 on: February 26, 2020, 07:17:53 pm »
One of the funniest things I saw in Korea was an old lady attempt a shoulder-check on my (former rugby player) wife.

For the sake of entertainment...des cribe what happened.


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« Reply #11458 on: February 26, 2020, 08:44:40 pm »
One of the funniest things I saw in Korea was an old lady attempt a shoulder-check on my (former rugby player) wife.

While that happens to me too, one of the more pathetic and ridiculous occurrences is when it happens at my local track.

6-8 months of the year, I'm doing sprint training at my local track, which is usually empty... save an ajoushi or ajuma, blaring 트로트 from their phones as the walk laps around the track. This is a proper 800m athletics track, with 8 lanes... 8 lanes to choose from and tick to!
Etiquette dictates that faster runners stick to the inner lanes and walkers on the outer lanes. I don't count on these old fogies knowing this, so I just stick to the middle lane to minimize the chance of them walking in my lane.

Half the time, these old f*cks will purposefully cross over to walk in my lane and usually just as I'm preparing to come out the blocks, forcing me to wait a solid 60sec for them to cover enough distance to no longer be a hazard and making me break my focus.

I really don't know what kind of game these pathetic fools are playing, but it's a dangerous one. Just before coming out the blocks and over the first 30m, I'm pretty much blind to whatever is in front of me (your head stays low), and they've got their backs turned to me, completely blind to an oncoming runner and trusting that I saw them cut into my lane. While I'm no Justin Gatlin or Usain Bolt, I'm still pretty pacey and with my velocity and at 186cm and 86kg, if I collide into you there will be no insurance scam for you to profit off. Your brittle spin will be snapped in two, you will cease to be.




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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11459 on: February 26, 2020, 10:01:14 pm »
One of the funniest things I saw in Korea was an old lady attempt a shoulder-check on my (former rugby player) wife.

For the sake of entertainment...des cribe what happened.

Granny appeared shocked, as she bounced off and #8 didnít even break stride.