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  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4618

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11120 on: January 08, 2020, 09:32:15 am »
Wow...just...wow. 

https://www.eslrok.com/en/teach-in-korea/standard-single-jobs/ad/foreign-teacher-mokdong-seoul,9322

Another one that doesn't seem too bad unless I've missed a huge red flag?  Starts at 2.3 (could negotiate higher) plus housing but would definitely ask for more info about number of classes.

Pre-determined 10 vacation days was a red flag for me. I'd rather choose when to use my vacation time.
To be fair, almost every hagwon chooses when you can have vacation - and always has as far as I know

In job ads, saying predetermined vacation time seems to be rare. I have heard many stories of it being like that but, until now, never seen a job ad showing that.
i would say predetermined vacation for teachers is true for most teachers around the world


  • Colburnnn
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1182

    • August 10, 2015, 05:52:37 pm
    • South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11121 on: January 08, 2020, 11:19:17 am »
When you have 12 weeks off per year, you can find some time for a cheap week or 2 in those 12. When you have 2 weeks off per year (when everyone else in Korea is off) you are kinda screwed.
Haven't you got some pictures of birds to be jacking off to, son?

Colburnnn: Complains a lot, very sassy. Has a loudmouth.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4618

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11122 on: January 08, 2020, 11:48:13 am »
And what's with EVERY business in Korea taking the same weeks off in summer and winter?


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7684

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11123 on: January 08, 2020, 11:53:14 am »
And what's with EVERY business in Korea taking the same weeks off in summer and winter?

When is that?

(Summer is late July to early August, but when in winter?)

Gotta know for vacation plans.


  • Colburnnn
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • August 10, 2015, 05:52:37 pm
    • South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11124 on: January 08, 2020, 11:56:40 am »
I'm British, where standard holiday is around 5 weeks per year I believe. I wouldn't even think of taking a job that only offered 2... Is it really the case that standard holiday in the US/Cananda/Aus/SA/NZ is 2?!
Haven't you got some pictures of birds to be jacking off to, son?

Colburnnn: Complains a lot, very sassy. Has a loudmouth.


  • Kayos
  • The Legend

    • 2378

    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11125 on: January 08, 2020, 12:02:18 pm »
I'm British, where standard holiday is around 5 weeks per year I believe. I wouldn't even think of taking a job that only offered 2... Is it really the case that standard holiday in the US/Cananda/Aus/SA/NZ is 2?!

Standard in NZ is 4 weeks per year (about 20 working days) and they roll over to the next year if you don't use them.
Need to work 6 months before you can use them though.


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4618

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11126 on: January 08, 2020, 12:03:00 pm »
And what's with EVERY business in Korea taking the same weeks off in summer and winter?

When is that?

(Summer is late July to early August, but when in winter?)

Gotta know for vacation plans.
yeah just summer* sorry. wasn't thinking

colburnn: yes, but this isn't the uk


  • plan b
  • Super Waygook

    • 385

    • March 22, 2013, 11:53:06 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11127 on: January 08, 2020, 03:06:27 pm »
I'm British, where standard holiday is around 5 weeks per year I believe. I wouldn't even think of taking a job that only offered 2... Is it really the case that standard holiday in the US/Cananda/Aus/SA/NZ is 2?!

In Canada its 2 weeks. I lucked out in one job and got 3 weeks.


  • nightninja
  • Expert Waygook

    • 527

    • April 02, 2018, 03:20:32 pm
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11128 on: January 08, 2020, 03:19:48 pm »
I'm British, where standard holiday is around 5 weeks per year I believe. I wouldn't even think of taking a job that only offered 2... Is it really the case that standard holiday in the US/Cananda/Aus/SA/NZ is 2?!

At my previous jobs in the USA (full time jobs) the vacation time was given after about 90 days if I remember correctly. You were not given time automatically, rather you gained about 2. something hours per pay period. A pay period was 2 weeks...so at the end of the pay period you could use or save your 2 hours.  The same for sick time. I guess it ended up totaling around 2 weeks per year.


  • JNM
  • Waygook Lord

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    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Cairo, Egypt (formerly Seoul)
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11129 on: January 08, 2020, 06:53:37 pm »
I'm British, where standard holiday is around 5 weeks per year I believe. I wouldn't even think of taking a job that only offered 2... Is it really the case that standard holiday in the US/Cananda/Aus/SA/NZ is 2?!

In Canada its 2 weeks. I lucked out in one job and got 3 weeks.
... to start.

Usually staying with the same company adds a day per year (or similar) up to 6~8 weeks.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11130 on: January 09, 2020, 10:20:53 am »
Just did cooking day for camp. My CT and I decided toast, with different toppings, would be best. Yes, it's not the most creative, but for elementary school kids it's foolproof and relatively easy to clean up.

I brought a few things from home so the kids could sample different things; imported rye bread, different types of cheeses, decent butter, Marmite, baked beans, some Rooibos tea for after and even some peri-peri and chutney (had nothing to put it on, but brought it so they could taste it) etc.

It was pretty discouraging to see how apprehensive and averse the students were to trying anything new. They all just say there munching away at Spam and the most processed Lotte mart cheese you could imagine. The HR teacher came to "help" for the day and even she wasn't interested in sampling anything I brought. I told them these were from my home and some of the items were difficult to find outside South Africa or the UK, they'd likely never get the opportunity to try it again... no dice.

The only people who seemed to be raised with some manners were my CT and 2 girls who were courteous enough to sample a few of the things I brought. Incidentally, these 2 girls are the smartest students at camp.

Childhood was a long time ago, but I do remember seeing and reading that curiosity and the desire to try new things is a natural part of childhood. Sure, not all children are going to be so open, but when an entire class isn't interested in trying something new, that points to a possible problem.






Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11131 on: January 09, 2020, 11:01:06 am »
Just did cooking day for camp. My CT and I decided toast, with different toppings, would be best. Yes, it's not the most creative, but for elementary school kids it's foolproof and relatively easy to clean up.

I brought a few things from home so the kids could sample different things; imported rye bread, different types of cheeses, decent butter, Marmite, baked beans, some Rooibos tea for after and even some peri-peri and chutney (had nothing to put it on, but brought it so they could taste it) etc.

It was pretty discouraging to see how apprehensive and averse the students were to trying anything new. They all just say there munching away at Spam and the most processed Lotte mart cheese you could imagine. The HR teacher came to "help" for the day and even she wasn't interested in sampling anything I brought. I told them these were from my home and some of the items were difficult to find outside South Africa or the UK, they'd likely never get the opportunity to try it again... no dice.

The only people who seemed to be raised with some manners were my CT and 2 girls who were courteous enough to sample a few of the things I brought. Incidentally, these 2 girls are the smartest students at camp.

Childhood was a long time ago, but I do remember seeing and reading that curiosity and the desire to try new things is a natural part of childhood. Sure, not all children are going to be so open, but when an entire class isn't interested in trying something new, that points to a possible problem.

yeah, but marmite is gross.

on a similar note though, i did cooking day yesterday and had bought guacamole for the students to have with the quesadillas we made. only like 4 students ended up trying it (to be fair, it did end up being pretty gross and i think maybe word got around super fast)


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11132 on: January 09, 2020, 11:18:10 am »
Yeah, the stuff you brought is pretty normal. Like, you brought OTHER cheeses. If you brought something really out of left field.. like Marmite (which you did) then fine, I get it.

Spam? This salami is like that.

Cheese? This is LIKE that slice shit you're eating.

Chutney? It's jam.

Peri-peri? It's like a gochu-garu chicken.

This stuff is not like bringing anchovy pizza to a frat party. If they try it and don't like it, fine, I can respect that. But you're not even going to TRY salami? Jesus.



  • Colburnnn
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1182

    • August 10, 2015, 05:52:37 pm
    • South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11133 on: January 09, 2020, 11:21:32 am »
I did ice cream sundaes for camp (put loads of stuff in a ziplock bag and smash them together - build your sundae. (marshmellows, choco chips, digestives, one ice cream, choco sauce, sprinkles) thought it was fool proof as everyone likes these things. Nope. Too sweet, they wouldn't eat most of it.

Anyway, on the topic of Marmite. I hate the stuff, but I always bring a squeezy jar back from the UK each year for my UK culture class. Show an advert explaining the love it hate it divide, make 5 kids try it and decide if the class loves it or hates it. Goes down a right treat. Thinking of bringing over a couple of other controversial things this time, salad cream perhaps?
Haven't you got some pictures of birds to be jacking off to, son?

Colburnnn: Complains a lot, very sassy. Has a loudmouth.


  • confusedsafferinkorea
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5947

    • October 08, 2010, 01:02:32 pm
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11134 on: January 09, 2020, 11:24:40 am »
It was pretty discouraging to see how apprehensive and averse the students were to trying anything new.


I agree Aristocat. I had a conversation with one of my students who went to the Philippines for 3 weeks to study English. Upon his return I asked him how he enjoyed Philippine food. His reply was, 'I don't know, I never ate any, I took my Korean food with me and what I didn't have the school supplied me with my Korean needs.'

Blows my mind.

I have Korean friends that visit me in the Philippines and they arrive with huge bags full of Korean noodles, rice (yes, they actually bring rice to the Philippines, talk about carrying coals to Newcastle) and of course huge amounts of kimchi which makes my fridge stink for weeks and of course as soon as they open a container of kimchi my house is infested with flies....ughh!!!
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


  • Kyndo
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    • I am a geek!!

    • March 02, 2027, 11:00:00 pm
    • Gyeongsangbuk-do
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11135 on: January 09, 2020, 11:47:35 am »
Must be a bit depressing when you put in a whole lot of effort and money to present new experiences and the kids refuse to get involved.  :sad:

  On a happier note, one of my favourite camp lessons is about flavours.
 We talk about each flavour, and at the end of each I let them taste an example of it:

Sweet: a bunch of 마이쮸s.
Salty:  cheese doritos
...
...and here is where it gets fun (for me):
...
Umami: dollop of deonjang paste
Sour: a soju cup full of lemon/lime juice
Bitter: cacao nibs, or paper soju cup filled with the darkest black iced tea (poured from a 2 liter jug) I can make.
Spicy: Tabasco in a paper cup. (I used to do it with bread cubes soaked in capcisum sauce... ...until "the incident").

The kids really get excited about the samples, even though they know it'll probably be nasty.  :laugh:


  • 303lmc
  • Super Waygook

    • 273

    • March 05, 2019, 05:23:12 pm
    • Gwangju
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11136 on: January 09, 2020, 12:16:55 pm »
Just did cooking day for camp. My CT and I decided toast, with different toppings, would be best. Yes, it's not the most creative, but for elementary school kids it's foolproof and relatively easy to clean up.

I brought a few things from home so the kids could sample different things; imported rye bread, different types of cheeses, decent butter, Marmite, baked beans, some Rooibos tea for after and even some peri-peri and chutney (had nothing to put it on, but brought it so they could taste it) etc.

It was pretty discouraging to see how apprehensive and averse the students were to trying anything new. They all just say there munching away at Spam and the most processed Lotte mart cheese you could imagine. The HR teacher came to "help" for the day and even she wasn't interested in sampling anything I brought. I told them these were from my home and some of the items were difficult to find outside South Africa or the UK, they'd likely never get the opportunity to try it again... no dice.

The only people who seemed to be raised with some manners were my CT and 2 girls who were courteous enough to sample a few of the things I brought. Incidentally, these 2 girls are the smartest students at camp.

Childhood was a long time ago, but I do remember seeing and reading that curiosity and the desire to try new things is a natural part of childhood. Sure, not all children are going to be so open, but when an entire class isn't interested in trying something new, that points to a possible problem.





see now this is why i refused to do a cooking camp.
 I did a game related to Cinco de Mayo and no one even cared. the students actually asked my why i was showing them about the holiday and different food etc...I realized early on the give ZERO f's about anything different.
so I will say I'm sorry no one even really tried anything, and thank you for at least trying.


  • nightninja
  • Expert Waygook

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    • April 02, 2018, 03:20:32 pm
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11137 on: January 09, 2020, 12:20:45 pm »
Yeah, many of the students, and even teachers....don't think many things we teach are relevant to them and so therefore do not care.....even if there is a connection the kids and teachers don't see it, Generally similar I think around the world with kids, but adults are usually better.... but in reference to trying new things...I think many people are guilty of that no matter where they are from
« Last Edit: January 09, 2020, 12:27:57 pm by nightninja »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11138 on: January 09, 2020, 12:21:14 pm »
The average kid aged 6 to about 13 or so is not going to be very adventurous. Does anyone here not remember being a kid? Like seriously, are you guys that bad at knowing how kids think?

What did we as kids do? We picked toppings off of supreme pizzas. We screamed to go to McDonald's again and again even though mom and dad wanted to try the local diner or whatever.  Green Skittles? In the bin.  While our parents ate wheetabix we ate 3 bowls of Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs.

When I look at the different foods Korean kids eat and compare it to what I ate as a kid, they have way more variety in terms of ingredients.

Things Korean kids are eating that many of us would not eat when we're young (or even now)-
Snails
Mushrooms
Chicken Feet
Intestines
Liver
Lung meat
Blood Sausage
Pig Feet
Chicken Butt
Sea Squirt
Fish Eggs
Silkworm Pupae
Mystery Seafood
Various vegetables they're forced to wolf down
Bean paste broths
Tofu

Off the top of my head I wouldn't eat the following things as a kid-
Olives
Mushrooms
Peas
Anything spicy
Any white cheese except on pizza and parmesean cheese
Shellfish
Eggplant
Grapefruit
Cucumber
Beets

People's tastes change. Don't freak out over your kids eating preferences at this point in their life. They're kids. They are driven as much by advertising and their peers as anything else. And please, don't pretend that kids back home are little Anthony Bourdain's. If you offered them a cafeteria lunch from Korea or China, they'd probably freak out and throw it away.

If you can't remember your own childhood well and accurately, you probably shouldn't be teaching young kids.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #11139 on: January 09, 2020, 12:27:15 pm »
It was pretty discouraging to see how apprehensive and averse the students were to trying anything new. They all just say there munching away at Spam and the most processed Lotte mart cheese you could imagine.
Out there is some Korean who tried to teach her class of kids to eat whatever and is mystified the kids have zero interest in red pepper paste, sesame leaf, crab, kimchi, etc. and the kids are just munching away at the Oscar Meyer, Starkist, and Kraft singles for "Make Your Own Kimbap".