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  • zola
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    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10960 on: November 25, 2019, 03:45:32 pm »
I think it's pretty clear what nightninja is saying. It's not so much the lack of invitation or gift of food. It's more the way that it is openly done in front of those who weren't invited. At least try to do it lowkey or whatever.
Last month a toeic teacher brought in donuts from Krispy Kreme and over dramatically handed them out. She purposefully just missed one guy out. There were plenty of left overs too. This wasn't a gift for funeral/wedding/etc money. Just a random snack. The guy she didn't give to is part time so I guess that's what she was thinking. But to do it directly in front of him is comedically rude.
Kpip! - Martin 2018


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10961 on: November 25, 2019, 03:51:56 pm »
In the grand game of Office Politics, there's nothing to be gained from being nice to the NET, and nothing to be lost from excluding us. We aren't one of them. We never will be. We have no say in their performance reviews, there are no professional benefits to cozying up to us. That can lead to exclusion and frigid office interactions, of course, but in my experience there's usually at least one Korean coworker who will try to make you feel included simply because they're nice people and it's the nice thing to do.

Interestingly, back when I still attended office dinners, it was often the bus drivers or the groundskeepers who were the most likely to come over and pour me a drink. While all the teachers and admin are shuffling around trying to find the right people to schmooze, the people at the bottom of the hierarchy can just sit back and relax.

True that. The most down to Earth people I know and interact with here are usually also the most downtrodden ones. They tend to empathize more with others, and are more likely to sympathize with the isolated NET. They're the ones who express the most concern for me and who will go out of their way to try to make me feel included, even when they can't speak any English.

While I appreciate most of the coTs I've had over the years, there's only been two who didn't treat me like a novelty, a burden/duty, or an outsider. Unsurprisingly, they both grew up in poor communities where they had to work harder than most to get to where they are. They still get involved in office politics because that's unavoidable and you've got to learn how to play the game, but they play it based on their own standards and values. I have the upmost respect for them as people. No matter what power play is going on in the office, they absolutely refuse to exclude anyone. They'll divvy up their share of anything if someone gets left out.


  • L I
  • The Legend

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10962 on: November 25, 2019, 10:34:17 pm »
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Teenagers in South Korea are the laziest in the world, according to a global study.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7711713/The-worlds-laziest-teenagers-7-children-South-Korea-active-hour-day.html

Korean kids are spending too much time playing cell phone games and computer games.  :sad:

Incidentally, without exercise how are they able to stay so thin? Ectomorphic genetics?


  • JNM
  • The Legend

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    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Seoul, South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10963 on: November 26, 2019, 12:47:04 am »
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Teenagers in South Korea are the laziest in the world, according to a global study.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7711713/The-worlds-laziest-teenagers-7-children-South-Korea-active-hour-day.html

Korean kids are spending too much time playing cell phone games and computer games.  :sad:

Incidentally, without exercise how are they able to stay so thin? Ectomorphic genetics?
Anna and Bella


  • zola
  • The Legend

    • 2917

    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10964 on: November 26, 2019, 08:22:45 am »
Anorexia & Bulimia
Kpip! - Martin 2018


  • Aristocrat
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1997

    • November 10, 2014, 01:04:27 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10965 on: November 26, 2019, 08:24:19 am »
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Teenagers in South Korea are the laziest in the world, according to a global study.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7711713/The-worlds-laziest-teenagers-7-children-South-Korea-active-hour-day.html

Korean kids are spending too much time playing cell phone games and computer games.  :sad:

Incidentally, without exercise how are they able to stay so thin? Ectomorphic genetics?

I've been in a similar situation these past few weeks. The end of a long ass year has left me mentally drained. I'm training 6 days a week (conditioning for surfing during the holidays) so I'm physically drained.
The mental drain makes it difficult to sleep and the physical drain makes you too tired or lethargic to want to do anything besides videos games or TV, which makes sleep even more elusive. 
This is a temporary state for me and I think I'll feel refreshed after going on holiday. For these kids, it's a lifestyle.

When I stop exercising, I shed weight too. The worst is when I eat junk food and don't exercise, then a begin resembling a Somalian.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10966 on: November 26, 2019, 08:26:58 am »
Anna and Bella?

Searched this, watched it, and still don't get the connection.

Care to explain?

Anorexia and bulimia. Koreans are hypersensitive about their size, and they go on crazy diets to keep their weight. Eating disorders are common here.

Aside from that, just want to state in general that being overweight isn't just about a sedentary lifestyle. It's mostly diet, which is further complicated by lifestyle and other variables (level of activity, age, metabolism, etc.). This is why you can commonly find people who are overweight and aren't losing weight but who are also very physically active -- what they're doing just isn't enough to burn off all of the access calories that they consume or the stored fat that they have -- and also why you'll meet people who will lose weight even if they aren't physically active.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2019, 08:31:44 am by Chinguetti »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10967 on: November 26, 2019, 08:35:23 am »
The mental drain makes it difficult to sleep and the physical drain makes you too tired or lethargic to want to do anything besides videos games or TV, which makes sleep even more elusive. 

This is what I have at the moment.  I'm knackered after this long year, so sleeping properly is kind of difficult during the week.  I get home from school at 8:30pm and then watch Rick and Morty for an hour and I really feel like I could sleep like a log, but when I go to bed it's a lot of tossing and turning.  On Saturday, I'll wake up early, eat breakfast, go back to bed, then up again at lunch and eat lunch, then an hour nap, then up in the afternoon for exercise, then in the evening a film or talk to my mum.  That's my day.  That's all I have the energy for at the moment.  Winter holidays can't come quick enough, and teachers from my school and couple of other schools are already talking about my schedule for next year. 


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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10968 on: November 26, 2019, 08:47:38 am »
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Teenagers in South Korea are the laziest in the world, according to a global study.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7711713/The-worlds-laziest-teenagers-7-children-South-Korea-active-hour-day.html

Korean kids are spending too much time playing cell phone games and computer games.  :sad:

Incidentally, without exercise how are they able to stay so thin? Ectomorphic genetics?

Crap article title.
Is studying 10 hours a day lazy? Nope.
Inactive, sure, but not necessarily lazy.

I would definitely say genetics have something to do with it: some people can eat whatever they want and still retain a really low BMI (myself for example, thankfully).

That said, changes in diet and habits are causing the percentage of overweight Koreans to explode.

Interestingly, part of the reason for this increase is that Korea uses a different standard of measurement for obesity: the WHO defines obese as a BMI of over 30, whereas Korea (and some other Asian countries defines it as over 25. The justification for this is that East Asians tend to have higher body fat percentages for a given BMI than many other ethnicities.

Here's an interesting article that talk about some of these points.


  • zola
  • The Legend

    • 2917

    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
    • Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10969 on: November 26, 2019, 08:54:45 am »
Quote
Teenagers in South Korea are the laziest in the world, according to a global study.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7711713/The-worlds-laziest-teenagers-7-children-South-Korea-active-hour-day.html

Korean kids are spending too much time playing cell phone games and computer games.  :sad:

Incidentally, without exercise how are they able to stay so thin? Ectomorphic genetics?

Crap article title.
Is studying 10 hours a day lazy? Nope.
Inactive, sure, but not necessarily lazy.

I would definitely say genetics have something to do with it: some people can eat whatever they want and still retain a really low BMI (myself for example, thankfully).

That said, changes in diet and habits are causing the percentage of overweight Koreans to explode.

Interestingly, part of the reason for this increase is that Korea uses a different standard of measurement for obesity: the WHO defines obese as a BMI of over 30, whereas Korea (and some other Asian countries defines it as over 25. The justification for this is that East Asians tend to have higher body fat percentages for a given BMI than many other ethnicities.

Here's an interesting article that talk about some of these points.

There was a report a few years ago that said the type 2 diabetes rate was same per cap in South Korea as it was in the USA. Which was shocking because what, 2/3 of American adults are overwight or obese? while the number here would be much, much less. Metabolic disorders seem to effect East Asians at relatively lower weights then they would other ethnicities.
Like Indians or other South Asians and heart disease.
Kpip! - Martin 2018


  • Aristocrat
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1997

    • November 10, 2014, 01:04:27 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10970 on: November 26, 2019, 10:54:46 am »
Anna and Bella?

Searched this, watched it, and still don't get the connection.

Care to explain?

Anorexia and bulimia. Koreans are hypersensitive about their size, and they go on crazy diets to keep their weight. Eating disorders are common here.

Aside from that, just want to state in general that being overweight isn't just about a sedentary lifestyle. It's mostly diet, which is further complicated by lifestyle and other variables (level of activity, age, metabolism, etc.). This is why you can commonly find people who are overweight but who are also very physically active -- what they're doing just isn't enough to burn off all of the access calories that they consume or the stored fat that they have -- and also why you'll meet people who will lose weight even if they aren't physically active.

This is true, PARTICULARLY for women. The dieting leads to rapid muscle loss as well, meaning it becomes increasingly easier to put on fat. So, while possible, many Asian women are in a state of perpetual diet, I can only imagine how miserable this must make life.
I saw a rather interesting video about a Japanese Idol group of fat girls, they call themselves Big Angel. One of the members claimed that she lived on nothing but yoghurt and water for 6 months.
Mentally she wasn't in a good place and eventually, she snapped. She gorged herself and put on 10kg in a week! One extreme mental state leads to another extreme mental state.
I really think it's all in your head and has very little to do with metabolism.

My wife is pretty slim and trains almost as regularly as I do. However, the moment she slacks, she puts on fat. I'm the opposite. If I look at my brother, we're polar opposites, despite growing up in the same house and eating the same food.
From an early age, my wife and brother developed a much stronger emotional attachment to food and tend to eat when stressed, bored, happy etc. They both tend to get anxious whenever they begin feeling peckish. I grew up surfing, which
means you spend the whole day surfing and trying your best to ignore the massive hole growing in your stomach. When you get home, you're asking for 3rd helpings. I learned to ignore hunger and still do, I oftentimes forget to eat when I'm occupied
with something else.


  • Kayos
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1520

    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10971 on: November 26, 2019, 11:33:54 am »
I ordered a heater on gmarket 5 weeks ago, which still hasn't arrived.
Attempts from myself, and my co-teacher, to try and find out when it will arrive have resulted with no new information.
And I can't cancel it without contacting the seller, and they are a nightmare to try get a hold of; they also flagged it as having been shipped after the first week. >.<
I just want it to arrive already.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10972 on: November 26, 2019, 11:45:06 am »
And I can't cancel it without contacting the seller, and they are a nightmare to try get a hold of; they also flagged it as having been shipped after the first week. >.<

I was under the impression you can use the Gmarket customer service to contact the seller and then if there is no reply back from the seller to Gmarket, you can cancel it through them. 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10973 on: November 26, 2019, 11:51:34 am »
And I can't cancel it without contacting the seller, and they are a nightmare to try get a hold of; they also flagged it as having been shipped after the first week. >.<

I was under the impression you can use the Gmarket customer service to contact the seller and then if there is no reply back from the seller to Gmarket, you can cancel it through them. 

This. Some sellers will set it as having been shipped already even if the item hasn't actually shipped because they're trying to prevent you from canceling the order while they wait on other customers to order the same thing (that way they can save on shipping costs to themselves by ordering in bulk). You can get around this by contacting Gmarket's customer service about it. They'll try to contact the seller and will give you an estimated time to wait. If you don't here back from either the seller or Gmarket by that time, you can follow up with Gmarket and get them to cancel the order.

They have an option where you can email or PM them through the site. It's how I did it both times I needed to.


  • Aristocrat
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1997

    • November 10, 2014, 01:04:27 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10974 on: November 26, 2019, 11:58:40 am »
And I can't cancel it without contacting the seller, and they are a nightmare to try get a hold of; they also flagged it as having been shipped after the first week. >.<

I was under the impression you can use the Gmarket customer service to contact the seller and then if there is no reply back from the seller to Gmarket, you can cancel it through them. 

Coupang and Gmarket sellers pull this same stunt.
Once the seller has marked the item as 'pending' or 'in transit' (can't remember which one), it's impossible to cancel the order on your end without contacting the seller who, surprise, will never reply. You're stuck.
You'll likely get the item, but what the seller is probably doing is waiting for enough orders for said item so they can bulk buy from wherever and make a larger profit... or, they order the item from overseas (like an unnecessary middle-man)
and select the cheapest and slowest shipping option to maximise their profit.

Make sure you order from a seller who lists an ETA and DO NOT order from sellers who list international shipping... you might as well buy from Amazon or Ebay.



Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10975 on: November 26, 2019, 12:12:29 pm »
And I can't cancel it without contacting the seller, and they are a nightmare to try get a hold of; they also flagged it as having been shipped after the first week. >.<

I was under the impression you can use the Gmarket customer service to contact the seller and then if there is no reply back from the seller to Gmarket, you can cancel it through them. 

Coupang and Gmarket sellers pull this same stunt.
Once the seller has marked the item as 'pending' or 'in transit' (can't remember which one), it's impossible to cancel the order on your end without contacting the seller who, surprise, will never reply. You're stuck.
You'll likely get the item, but what the seller is probably doing is waiting for enough orders for said item so they can bulk buy from wherever and make a larger profit... or, they order the item from overseas (like an unnecessary middle-man)
and select the cheapest and slowest shipping option to maximise their profit.

It's likely like that.  In July, I ordered a dining table and chairs that were domestic shipping and they did the 'in transit' thing.  After two weeks, I went through the customer service who contacted the seller who said they were uncertain about the date.  I waited a little longer but found a different table set.  I guess different sellers may not be so easy about canceling.  But I found the Gmarket customer service to be fairly good with contacting and also cancelling.  I suppose going through them would give you a level of protection too. 


  • Kayos
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10976 on: November 26, 2019, 12:19:04 pm »
And I can't cancel it without contacting the seller, and they are a nightmare to try get a hold of; they also flagged it as having been shipped after the first week. >.<

I was under the impression you can use the Gmarket customer service to contact the seller and then if there is no reply back from the seller to Gmarket, you can cancel it through them. 

This. Some sellers will set it as having been shipped already even if the item hasn't actually shipped because they're trying to prevent you from canceling the order while they wait on other customers to order the same thing (that way they can save on shipping costs to themselves by ordering in bulk). You can get around this by contacting Gmarket's customer service about it. They'll try to contact the seller and will give you an estimated time to wait. If you don't here back from either the seller or Gmarket by that time, you can follow up with Gmarket and get them to cancel the order.

They have an option where you can email or PM them through the site. It's how I did it both times I needed to.

When I tried to pm the seller through the site, I was getting errors but, this morning I pm'd gmarket customer service because of this.
Depending on how the seller responds, I might see if they can cancel it so I can order it from someone/where else, and try get it a lot sooner.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10977 on: November 26, 2019, 12:48:58 pm »
We need more shame in this country. I don't like the aspect of face.

They're kids, you don't put em on TV, obviously, but you drag them up to the front and you embarrass them.

I don't mean gratuitously, I mean directly. "Are you 4? Is this kindergarten? My 3 year old cleans up her mess at home, can't you do the same?"


We need more shame.  The amount of resigned "그만" and "하지마" here drive me nuts.  And then the teacher just cleans up the mess for them! We're not their mother. Shame the shit out of some of these kids. If they cry, I don't give a shit. Stop yelling, stop running around like an idiot and clean up your bloody mess. This isn't revolutionary.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10978 on: November 27, 2019, 08:07:06 am »
Stop yelling, stop running around like an idiot and clean up your bloody mess. This isn't revolutionary.

I was talking about this with the 1st-grade headteacher last week when we were in Boseong with the students.  We were staying in a lovely Hanok house with all the students, and mainly we, the teachers, were cooking and the students were eating.  Only two students helped out with the washing up after or any tidying.  The rest of the students sat around eating, chatting or using their phones.  I love my students very much, but like your comment, it gives you a view of what they have from their home life.  I know they're high school students and as such don't have a lot of free time, but still.  The one student who always helped, their parents came to the provincial contest with heaters, hot chocolate, and blankets for the students because we played two games three hours apart, and a day before a typhoon so it was pissing down.  Obviously, this student has lovely selfless parents, and that's rubbed off on them.   :undecided:


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10979 on: November 27, 2019, 08:30:39 am »
Stop yelling, stop running around like an idiot and clean up your bloody mess. This isn't revolutionary.

I was talking about this with the 1st-grade headteacher last week when we were in Boseong with the students.  We were staying in a lovely Hanok house with all the students, and mainly we, the teachers, were cooking and the students were eating.  Only two students helped out with the washing up after or any tidying.  The rest of the students sat around eating, chatting or using their phones.  I love my students very much, but like your comment, it gives you a view of what they have from their home life.  I know they're high school students and as such don't have a lot of free time, but still.  The one student who always helped, their parents came to the provincial contest with heaters, hot chocolate, and blankets for the students because we played two games three hours apart, and a day before a typhoon so it was pissing down.  Obviously, this student has lovely selfless parents, and that's rubbed off on them.   :undecided:

Yeah, a lot of my own students are super entitled and spoiled. Good kids deep down, but they have a lot of ideas about what they shouldn't have to do, thanks to their parents, lol. They feel it's every adult's duty to clean up after them, even if the adults aren't their parents. And then they become adults who think the same way, but it's harder for them to get away with it.

I force every single student to help, and I always get a ton who drag their feet, give me looks, and try to get away with doing a piss poor job because they don't think they should have to help. They think it's my job to do it for them, lol.

Nope. If you made the mess or ate the food, you're going to clean up after yourself. If you don't do it right the first time, I'm going to make you go back and do it again until you do it right. This includes clearing the tables, throwing away the garbage, and washing your own dishes. I'm here to teach and to keep you safe while you're with me.  I don't get paid to be your nanny.