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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10620 on: October 15, 2019, 03:13:24 pm »
you don't see Kpop fans going out of their way to trash other music on here. That's a blinking red indicator. Banter is usually a two-way street, but this is one-way.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I do feel that I have to correct you on this.

A lot of k-pop fans are extremely vocal about the genres they see as inferior. K-pop fans like to trash other genres of music just as much as anybody else does.

There certainly are some -stans out there. They suck just as much.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10621 on: October 15, 2019, 03:25:26 pm »
Just as people are allowed to like ballads, people are allowed to not like pop. You can't get on people for not recognizing that people can like whatever they want and then turn around and go after people for not liking whatever they don't. It seems strange to be open-minded enough to understand why people might like a genre you don't care for, but not enough to understand why people might not like a genre you do care for.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10622 on: October 15, 2019, 04:05:40 pm »
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you don't see Kpop fans going out of their way to trash other music on here. That's a blinking red indicator. Banter is usually a two-way street, but this is one-way.

I'm pretty sure if you were on a teenage forum they'd be doing that. If there are any k pop fans on here, apart from you, I imagine they keep it pretty quiet, having judged the general mood of the site and what things people will make fun of here. There are things I like that I  wouldn't bring up on here for that reason and things I think are childish but wouldn't make fun of because they seem to be pretty popular on here. That's how banter works. You gauge the mood and take the piss out of things you think people will join in with.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10623 on: October 15, 2019, 04:21:19 pm »
and we've gone full circle

didn't this whole thing start because i said something like "kpop fans are annoying"?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10624 on: October 15, 2019, 04:39:39 pm »
and we've gone full circle

didn't this whole thing start because i said something like "kpop fans are annoying"?

lol. yip.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10625 on: October 15, 2019, 04:58:52 pm »
and we've gone full circle

didn't this whole thing start because i said something like "kpop fans are annoying"?

Yeh, thanks for this diickhead!  You showed that words do matter.  You're like a British Gandhi. 

Your punishment is a week of watching Korean food programs with the sound turned up.  This is for 14 hours straight.  Then when you go to bed, you get BTS blared out of speakers under your bed.  For 8 hours.  For a whole week.  Got it?  That'll teach you!   :rolleyes:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10626 on: October 15, 2019, 05:17:49 pm »
ronnie omelettes is kind of annoying

there. now let the next 10-page argument commence


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10627 on: October 15, 2019, 05:36:34 pm »
ronnie omelettes is kind of annoying

there. now let the next 10-page argument commence

More of a bellend to be honest.  I suppose we could have ten pages of other insults which I'll probably not argue with. 

Seriously, I'd give you two or three days tops with that punishment before you go mental or before you hurry out and buy some ridiculously overpriced hiking clothes from the plethora of hiking shops around your house.  Also buy the brand new Hyundai car on credit, which is really similar in design to the other brand new Hyundai you bought last year.  But you then have bragging rights in the garage, and you let the others know that by parking in the most obstructive way.  At school, every day you pull out one of those white feather dusters out of the boot and lightly dust your car like the principals do here, when they really should be doing some important work, like running the school.   Then you spend your limited 5 vacation days going on a whistle-stop Hanatour to Rome, Berlin, Budapest, London, Paris, Barcelona and Split, spending all of 3 hours in each city taking photos in front of the local sights before buying some overpriced chocolates that were actually made in Korea.  You come back saying how refreshed you feel and show everyone the photos that show what a great time you had and how you're really worldly-wise.  Then someone gives you a mug of Yorkshire Tea and ginger nut and then you wake out of your Korean stupor. 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10628 on: October 15, 2019, 07:24:45 pm »
Oddly enough, western Koreaboo K-Pop fans are the one musical subculture who are pretty easy to identify here in Korea, and the ones who appear to cling most preciously to that identity. Your average English teacher or foreign Samsung worker is not announcing to their metal or punk or hip hop fandom to the world. That's a bit less true for the K-Pop fans.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10629 on: October 16, 2019, 04:29:26 am »
Narrator:  'Look at this shattered British guy coming home from his long day at work, and then doing the 50/50 housework'

Oglop:  '뭐야' 

Narrator:  'Look, he spilled the washing powder all over the floor before stepping on a soiled nappy'
*repeated three times with a boing sound* 

Wife:  오빠 바보!

*canned laughter*  :laugh:

Oglop:  FML  :cry:

There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10630 on: October 16, 2019, 07:00:47 am »


There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k
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Yes. It certainly is over the top. Ridiculous.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10631 on: October 16, 2019, 07:43:05 am »
Narrator:  'Look at this shattered British guy coming home from his long day at work, and then doing the 50/50 housework'

Oglop:  '뭐야' 

Narrator:  'Look, he spilled the washing powder all over the floor before stepping on a soiled nappy'
*repeated three times with a boing sound* 

Wife:  오빠 바보!

*canned laughter*  :laugh:

Oglop:  FML  :cry:

There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k

Soooooooooooooooooo ooo third? "Koreans are second most victims after American and British actresses."

Yeah, and I'm the second best tennis player after all the best tennis players in the world.

Also, unnie?  It's like spelling  아저씨 Ajuicy.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2019, 07:49:57 am by CO2 »
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10632 on: October 16, 2019, 09:59:20 am »
There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:
I think "Unnie News" on Arirang is not meant to be in the same vein as the nightly news. It's a casual news program that's as much edutainment as news. It's not like she's talking about some trade deal or the Korea-Japan dispute.

I think you're misreading things.

Unnie is how things were romanized back in the 90s. It's sort of Konglished.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2019, 10:12:39 am by Mr.DeMartino »


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10633 on: October 16, 2019, 10:06:33 am »
There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:
I think "Unnie News" on Arirang is not meant to be in the same vein as the nightly news. It's a casual news program that's as much edutainment as news. It's not like she's talking about some trade deal or the Korea-Japan dispute.

I think you're misreading things.

Dude, this is the ranting thread. This is what it's for. You just dragged an argument about why we must all be lying, emotional cripples because we don't enjoy Korean ballads, across multiple pages. Take your bullshit elsewhere.
Kpip! - Martin 2018


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10634 on: October 16, 2019, 10:11:22 am »
Just as people are allowed to like ballads, people are allowed to not like pop. You can't get on people for not recognizing that people can like whatever they want and then turn around and go after people for not liking whatever they don't. It seems strange to be open-minded enough to understand why people might like a genre you don't care for, but not enough to understand why people might not like a genre you do care for.
I'm trying to point out to someone who thinks they have no musical value or whatever, why they may have a blind spot in their view. Some people frankly "don't get it" when it comes to why people like certain things. It's not that they are wrong for not liking it, just that there seems to, in some cases, be a certain level of ignorance.

"They don't even play their own instruments. It's bad music."
What I'm doing is pointing out how that's irrelevant to the intended audience. They aren't looking for instrumental musicianship. They are focused on the singer and their vocal talents as well as their ability to emote and communicate so in turn the listener empathizes with them and in a sense, lives vicariously through their performance.

The critic has completely misunderstood the point. And again, I'll point to the Roger Ebert standard for criticism- you judge something based on how it was intended towards the audience it was designed for. A goofy slapstick comedy done extremely well is more worthy of 3-4 stars than some art house film poorly done. The latter may be more creative, have better acting, etc. etc. but it doesn't succeed, whereas the former does. This requires the critic to be comfortable with all genres and to empathize with the audience and value them and what they are trying to experience. At the core of it is the idea "I am not the center of the universe and my standards are not the standards of the world that everyone should agree with. Rather every person has value and the entertainment preferences they have, have value, and I will do my utmost to try and respect those."

It's not surprising that people who have trouble with musical genres focused more on empathy and a listening style based on experiencing the emotions of the performer, in turn have trouble empathizing with other consumer of music and seeing taste and preference and quality through a lens other than their own and in turn start to judge people as human being based on things like "taste in music".


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10635 on: October 16, 2019, 10:13:27 am »
Dude, this is the ranting thread. This is what it's for. You just dragged an argument about why we must all be lying, emotional cripples because we don't enjoy Korean ballads, across multiple pages. Take your bullshit elsewhere.
But it's a bad rant. So I'm going to rant about it. Might as well complain about sound effects and bubbles being used on Entertainment Tonight or VH1


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10636 on: October 16, 2019, 10:20:59 am »
Martin.
Kpip! - Martin 2018


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10637 on: October 16, 2019, 10:30:19 am »
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10638 on: October 16, 2019, 10:34:44 am »
Narrator:  'Look at this shattered British guy coming home from his long day at work, and then doing the 50/50 housework'

Oglop:  '뭐야' 

Narrator:  'Look, he spilled the washing powder all over the floor before stepping on a soiled nappy'
*repeated three times with a boing sound* 

Wife:  오빠 바보!

*canned laughter*  :laugh:

Oglop:  FML  :cry:

There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k

Soooooooooooooooooo ooo third? "Koreans are second most victims after American and British actresses."

Yeah, and I'm the second best tennis player after all the best tennis players in the world.

Also, unnie?  It's like spelling  아저씨 Ajuicy.

That took some doing. Turning a story about the sinister practice of inserting people's faces into porno movies without their permission into a propaganda piece for K pop.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10639 on: October 16, 2019, 10:49:26 am »
Just as people are allowed to like ballads, people are allowed to not like pop. You can't get on people for not recognizing that people can like whatever they want and then turn around and go after people for not liking whatever they don't. It seems strange to be open-minded enough to understand why people might like a genre you don't care for, but not enough to understand why people might not like a genre you do care for.
I'm trying to point out to someone who thinks they have no musical value or whatever, why they may have a blind spot in their view. Some people frankly "don't get it" when it comes to why people like certain things. It's not that they are wrong for not liking it, just that there seems to, in some cases, be a certain level of ignorance.

"They don't even play their own instruments. It's bad music."
What I'm doing is pointing out how that's irrelevant to the intended audience. They aren't looking for instrumental musicianship. They are focused on the singer and their vocal talents as well as their ability to emote and communicate so in turn the listener empathizes with them and in a sense, lives vicariously through their performance.

The critic has completely misunderstood the point. And again, I'll point to the Roger Ebert standard for criticism- you judge something based on how it was intended towards the audience it was designed for. A goofy slapstick comedy done extremely well is more worthy of 3-4 stars than some art house film poorly done. The latter may be more creative, have better acting, etc. etc. but it doesn't succeed, whereas the former does. This requires the critic to be comfortable with all genres and to empathize with the audience and value them and what they are trying to experience. At the core of it is the idea "I am not the center of the universe and my standards are not the standards of the world that everyone should agree with. Rather every person has value and the entertainment preferences they have, have value, and I will do my utmost to try and respect those."

It's not surprising that people who have trouble with musical genres focused more on empathy and a listening style based on experiencing the emotions of the performer, in turn have trouble empathizing with other consumer of music and seeing taste and preference and quality through a lens other than their own and in turn start to judge people as human being based on things like "taste in music".

None of that really addressed the point I was making at all.