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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10620 on: October 15, 2019, 01:20:04 pm »
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As I said, I think Chinguetti was hitting on something when she posted this-
Quote from: Chinguetti on September 30, 2019, 01:11:57 pm
I also notice that a lot of the music trash talking almost exclusively begins whenever a boy band is the subject. Doesn't seem to come up as often when girl groups are mentioned.  :wink:

Is this related to your theory that males who slag off K pop bands do it because they're secretly jealous of their effeminate looks and dance moves?
 
The hype over Big Bang and BTS has far surpassed anything a girl band has produced. If people started bigging up Black Pink or Red Velvet in the same way they do those, fine I'd be more than happy to chip in with my opinion that they're also both crap. 
« Last Edit: October 15, 2019, 01:53:10 pm by stoat »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10621 on: October 15, 2019, 02:11:00 pm »
Aristocrat: I know very little about brewing coffee, never really liked the stuff. So, if a coffee aficionado decides to tell me how to brew coffee, I'll STFU and hear what he/she has to say. 

Really?  I also know very little about coffee as I don't drink and don't care one iota about it, so my reaction to some coffee aficionado  trying to tell me about coffee would be to hope they could read the room and stop boring me with their expertise.  Hint, hint. 

Fascinating, you're engaging in a rather long discussion about music, yet you've no interest in it?

Or... you're interested in music and are willing to engage in an argument, that is until someone who knows more than you comes along. Then you chuck your toys, pout your lips, declare the game boring, blow a raspberry and run home.

"Runaway when you know you can't win"
I should remember that

As I long suspected, we have a name to add to the list of people who take themselves too seriously to be light heartedly mocked.  I get it, you consider yourself an expert in the study of music and its technical aspects.  You've exhaustedly covered that.  You, however, are clearly, not an expert in reading the room and realise people think your enlightenments on music are boring.  I enjoy music greatly, but I don't really care what's behind the sound.  It's a visceral response for me.  Stop taking yourself so seriously with the "you should care what I say about Korean ballads." attitude.  I don't care.  Most people in this discussion don't seem to care.  I get that's not the response you wanted, but it is the reality.  You've decided there is only one way to discuss and understand music (from your perspective, unsurprisingly) and you're frustrated that your opinions are not getting the respect you feel they deserve. 

Here is a simpler way to understand the situation.  The only person who is impressed with your credentials and understanding of music is...you.  That should make it easy. 

Many find musical understanding  fascinating. Take a seat, don't flatter yourself, the last thing I'd give a crap about is trying to impress you... you're approval is not terribly important to me.

You're absolutely hell-bent on believing I'm trying to grandstand. Has the possibility never occurred to you that a person who really has a passion for music simply likes to discuss it? Crazy! I know.
If you find a proper critique on the genres in question boring? Fine, if you can't keep up/are unwilling to participate, leave the discussion.

I made the mistake of assuming a college educated adult might take an interest in learning something new. Obviously, I was wrong.

It would be interesting to compare which would be lower, your interest in my opinion, or my interest in your approval.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10622 on: October 15, 2019, 02:16:41 pm »
Imagine not liking pop music. That must suck.


  • Mister Tim
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10623 on: October 15, 2019, 02:45:51 pm »
Imagine not liking pop music. That must suck.

Somehow I manage.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10624 on: October 15, 2019, 02:54:17 pm »
Aristocrat: I know very little about brewing coffee, never really liked the stuff. So, if a coffee aficionado decides to tell me how to brew coffee, I'll STFU and hear what he/she has to say. 

Really?  I also know very little about coffee as I don't drink and don't care one iota about it, so my reaction to some coffee aficionado  trying to tell me about coffee would be to hope they could read the room and stop boring me with their expertise.  Hint, hint. 

Fascinating, you're engaging in a rather long discussion about music, yet you've no interest in it?

Or... you're interested in music and are willing to engage in an argument, that is until someone who knows more than you comes along. Then you chuck your toys, pout your lips, declare the game boring, blow a raspberry and run home.

"Runaway when you know you can't win"
I should remember that

As I long suspected, we have a name to add to the list of people who take themselves too seriously to be light heartedly mocked.  I get it, you consider yourself an expert in the study of music and its technical aspects.  You've exhaustedly covered that.  You, however, are clearly, not an expert in reading the room and realise people think your enlightenments on music are boring.  I enjoy music greatly, but I don't really care what's behind the sound.  It's a visceral response for me.  Stop taking yourself so seriously with the "you should care what I say about Korean ballads." attitude.  I don't care.  Most people in this discussion don't seem to care.  I get that's not the response you wanted, but it is the reality.  You've decided there is only one way to discuss and understand music (from your perspective, unsurprisingly) and you're frustrated that your opinions are not getting the respect you feel they deserve. 

Here is a simpler way to understand the situation.  The only person who is impressed with your credentials and understanding of music is...you.  That should make it easy. 

Many find musical understanding  fascinating. Take a seat, don't flatter yourself, the last thing I'd give a crap about is trying to impress you... you're approval is not terribly important to me.

You're absolutely hell-bent on believing I'm trying to grandstand. Has the possibility never occurred to you that a person who really has a passion for music simply likes to discuss it? Crazy! I know.
If you find a proper critique on the genres in question boring? Fine, if you can't keep up/are unwilling to participate, leave the discussion.

I made the mistake of assuming a college educated adult might take an interest in learning something new. Obviously, I was wrong.

It would be interesting to compare which would be lower, your interest in my opinion, or my interest in your approval.


You find many people in this discussion are finding your musical thoughts fascinating?  We must be reading different threads. 

If I don't want to participate in the discussion I should leave the discussion?  Have you checked the thread title?  If you started a thread "My musings on music by Aristocrat" then I would leave it, but this clearly isn't a discussion centered around your critiques.  In fact, I'd say you keep breaking the flow of the conversation with your "I know better than you, don't ignore my wisdom" interjections.  But, as I thought your high handedness was deserving of some non-malicious mockery I chimed (can I use that term?) in.  But, you're clearly lacking a sense of humour where your knowledge of music is involved. 

You get I'm not interested in your opinion but I don't think your interested in my approval whatsoever.  Good God, it's an anonymous discussion board for ESL teachers deskwarming.  I hope no one is looking for approval here.  However, it does seem with your seventeen years of musical study you're looking for some recognition.  Here?  Come on, man.  This is the ranting/venting mega thread on waygook.  What were you expecting?  Start a thread and get the interested parties under one roof. 


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10625 on: October 15, 2019, 03:01:11 pm »
Imagine not liking pop music. That must suck.
Oh you know most do deep down. It's just some desperate attempt to stand out or be rebellious or proclaim their great taste and superiority. If whatever music they were into was popular and pop was more obscure, a good many would proclaim that pop was great.

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As I said, I think Chinguetti was hitting on something when she posted this-
Quote from: Chinguetti on September 30, 2019, 01:11:57 pm
I also notice that a lot of the music trash talking almost exclusively begins whenever a boy band is the subject. Doesn't seem to come up as often when girl groups are mentioned.  :wink:
Is this related to your theory that males who slag off K pop bands do it because they're secretly jealous of their effeminate looks and dance moves?
I think this might be one of those cases where women know men better than most men know themselves.

Back in the day two of my friends played acoustic guitar (as did many more). Anyways during house parties both would bust theirs out (they were in different circles, so not the same party). But people also wanted to dance and then Top-40, hip-hop, and techno would come on. One dude would play his stuff in the basement or garage or wherever and then when everyone was dancing he was out there too and partying. Those weren't his favorite genres but he was about the party and people. The other would bitch and moan about hip hop and pop and get pissed that everyone was going to go dance and how shallow it was. Both were skilled and both had "good taste" in music.

Was it about music? Or was it about the fact that one knew how to have a good time, while the other was upset he wasn't the center of attention.

I think there's some of dude #2 in all of this as well. Same with Disco Demolition Night. Like, it's pretty obvious. As I've said, the first giveaway is the fact that you don't see Kpop fans going out of their way to trash other music on here. That's a blinking red indicator. Banter is usually a two-way street, but this is one-way.

Having your aesthetic not being popular or even outright rejected is an unnerving experience. Some people easily adapt. "Hey everyone here likes hip-hop, play some hip-hop. Hey everyone here is into country- play some country." Others are unnerved by that. Theyre outside their comfort zone and don't fit in and aren't familiar. They can be discomforted by it.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10626 on: October 15, 2019, 03:06:06 pm »
you don't see Kpop fans going out of their way to trash other music on here. That's a blinking red indicator. Banter is usually a two-way street, but this is one-way.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I do feel that I have to correct you on this.

A lot of k-pop fans are extremely vocal about the genres they see as inferior. K-pop fans like to trash other genres of music just as much as anybody else does.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10627 on: October 15, 2019, 03:13:24 pm »
you don't see Kpop fans going out of their way to trash other music on here. That's a blinking red indicator. Banter is usually a two-way street, but this is one-way.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I do feel that I have to correct you on this.

A lot of k-pop fans are extremely vocal about the genres they see as inferior. K-pop fans like to trash other genres of music just as much as anybody else does.

There certainly are some -stans out there. They suck just as much.


  • Mister Tim
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10628 on: October 15, 2019, 03:25:26 pm »
Just as people are allowed to like ballads, people are allowed to not like pop. You can't get on people for not recognizing that people can like whatever they want and then turn around and go after people for not liking whatever they don't. It seems strange to be open-minded enough to understand why people might like a genre you don't care for, but not enough to understand why people might not like a genre you do care for.


  • stoat
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10629 on: October 15, 2019, 04:05:40 pm »
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you don't see Kpop fans going out of their way to trash other music on here. That's a blinking red indicator. Banter is usually a two-way street, but this is one-way.

I'm pretty sure if you were on a teenage forum they'd be doing that. If there are any k pop fans on here, apart from you, I imagine they keep it pretty quiet, having judged the general mood of the site and what things people will make fun of here. There are things I like that I  wouldn't bring up on here for that reason and things I think are childish but wouldn't make fun of because they seem to be pretty popular on here. That's how banter works. You gauge the mood and take the piss out of things you think people will join in with.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10630 on: October 15, 2019, 04:21:19 pm »
and we've gone full circle

didn't this whole thing start because i said something like "kpop fans are annoying"?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10631 on: October 15, 2019, 04:39:39 pm »
and we've gone full circle

didn't this whole thing start because i said something like "kpop fans are annoying"?

lol. yip.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10632 on: October 15, 2019, 04:58:52 pm »
and we've gone full circle

didn't this whole thing start because i said something like "kpop fans are annoying"?

Yeh, thanks for this diickhead!  You showed that words do matter.  You're like a British Gandhi. 

Your punishment is a week of watching Korean food programs with the sound turned up.  This is for 14 hours straight.  Then when you go to bed, you get BTS blared out of speakers under your bed.  For 8 hours.  For a whole week.  Got it?  That'll teach you!   :rolleyes:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10633 on: October 15, 2019, 05:17:49 pm »
ronnie omelettes is kind of annoying

there. now let the next 10-page argument commence


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10634 on: October 15, 2019, 05:36:34 pm »
ronnie omelettes is kind of annoying

there. now let the next 10-page argument commence

More of a bellend to be honest.  I suppose we could have ten pages of other insults which I'll probably not argue with. 

Seriously, I'd give you two or three days tops with that punishment before you go mental or before you hurry out and buy some ridiculously overpriced hiking clothes from the plethora of hiking shops around your house.  Also buy the brand new Hyundai car on credit, which is really similar in design to the other brand new Hyundai you bought last year.  But you then have bragging rights in the garage, and you let the others know that by parking in the most obstructive way.  At school, every day you pull out one of those white feather dusters out of the boot and lightly dust your car like the principals do here, when they really should be doing some important work, like running the school.   Then you spend your limited 5 vacation days going on a whistle-stop Hanatour to Rome, Berlin, Budapest, London, Paris, Barcelona and Split, spending all of 3 hours in each city taking photos in front of the local sights before buying some overpriced chocolates that were actually made in Korea.  You come back saying how refreshed you feel and show everyone the photos that show what a great time you had and how you're really worldly-wise.  Then someone gives you a mug of Yorkshire Tea and ginger nut and then you wake out of your Korean stupor. 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10635 on: October 15, 2019, 07:24:45 pm »
Oddly enough, western Koreaboo K-Pop fans are the one musical subculture who are pretty easy to identify here in Korea, and the ones who appear to cling most preciously to that identity. Your average English teacher or foreign Samsung worker is not announcing to their metal or punk or hip hop fandom to the world. That's a bit less true for the K-Pop fans.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10636 on: October 16, 2019, 04:29:26 am »
Narrator:  'Look at this shattered British guy coming home from his long day at work, and then doing the 50/50 housework'

Oglop:  '뭐야' 

Narrator:  'Look, he spilled the washing powder all over the floor before stepping on a soiled nappy'
*repeated three times with a boing sound* 

Wife:  오빠 바보!

*canned laughter*  :laugh:

Oglop:  FML  :cry:

There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10637 on: October 16, 2019, 07:00:47 am »


There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k
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Yes. It certainly is over the top. Ridiculous.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10638 on: October 16, 2019, 07:43:05 am »
Narrator:  'Look at this shattered British guy coming home from his long day at work, and then doing the 50/50 housework'

Oglop:  '뭐야' 

Narrator:  'Look, he spilled the washing powder all over the floor before stepping on a soiled nappy'
*repeated three times with a boing sound* 

Wife:  오빠 바보!

*canned laughter*  :laugh:

Oglop:  FML  :cry:

There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20inS4gT_k

Soooooooooooooooooo ooo third? "Koreans are second most victims after American and British actresses."

Yeah, and I'm the second best tennis player after all the best tennis players in the world.

Also, unnie?  It's like spelling  아저씨 Ajuicy.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10639 on: October 16, 2019, 09:59:20 am »
There's something unsettling about these sound effects on a news broadcast; seems undignified:
I think "Unnie News" on Arirang is not meant to be in the same vein as the nightly news. It's a casual news program that's as much edutainment as news. It's not like she's talking about some trade deal or the Korea-Japan dispute.

I think you're misreading things.

Unnie is how things were romanized back in the 90s. It's sort of Konglished.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2019, 10:12:39 am by Mr.DeMartino »