Quote from: alexisalex on September 30, 2019, 12:40:31 pmQuote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 11:17:57 amAs someone who plays 3 instruments and has an ABRSM grade 7 music theory certificate...So the whole point of your post then (because it's not even worth your time and it bores you) is to tell everyone that you play three instruments and have a music theory certificate I clearly stated that trashing BTS would be a waste of time so that I could open up into a more meaningful discussion about musical taste. If the subject of the conversation is around BTS and why they're bad, to me at least, it seems perfectly reasonable to approach the discussion from an actual musical argument, rather than sour old-man feelings. Is your ego that delicate that you're so threatened by somebody who knows more than you in a particular area?Quote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 12:09:28 pmSince you're a layman on music, you're not going to understand or appreciate harmonic or melodic analysis and that's fine, you can still enjoy music. Quote from: alexisalex on September 30, 2019, 12:40:31 pmWell thank god for that! Please teach us poor, uneducated laymen riff raff more about music so we can enjoy it properly!I get the impression that you really don't read what I write before answering. Music can be appreciated on different levels, some of those levels require a certain understanding of how it works. Music is simply what I spent my time studying. Other folks spent their time learning things I wouldn't have the first clue about and I'd listen if they had something to say. I hate to disappoint you, but upstaging you was really not the motivation for me to work my ass off through years of study and practice. I did it because I like music and wanted to appreciate it on a deeper level.I really can't help you with your insecurities.
Quote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 11:17:57 amAs someone who plays 3 instruments and has an ABRSM grade 7 music theory certificate...So the whole point of your post then (because it's not even worth your time and it bores you) is to tell everyone that you play three instruments and have a music theory certificate
As someone who plays 3 instruments and has an ABRSM grade 7 music theory certificate...
Since you're a layman on music, you're not going to understand or appreciate harmonic or melodic analysis and that's fine, you can still enjoy music.
Well thank god for that! Please teach us poor, uneducated laymen riff raff more about music so we can enjoy it properly!
Guys, I'm not saying that everyone has to love Prince. I'm just saying it's weird that in globalized society with an internet-savvy population, a group of four educated Korean people had never heard of a global pop star who was, commercially speaking, the most successful chart act of the 1980s, who sold over 100 million records worldwide, played in massive Japanese arenas dozens of times, and was the subject of enormous international media attention when he died a few years ago. Not judging them for it... Just expressing my surprise.
Guys, guys! Can't you see that Martin has come in and torn this thread asunder? Lets all just agree:-Kpop is very awesome. And people who harass you on social media for making fun of it as a joke, are also very awesome. It's all good stuff. Dyed blonde bowl cuts for all!-Starry Night, The Scream, or that one of Jesus in some Spanish church that an old lady touched up, it's all art and its all great. Fun, fun stuff. And i enjoy it all.-Rock music is only liked by old white men. And tbh me and Martin are getting kind of sick of you guys. How about some toot tooting be bop? Little bit of Mavis Beacon? Yeah? That's what we grew up on. Rock is dead, get over it.-As for our own personal musical ability, I'm sure we are all pretty good. And i would LOVE to get together for a jam session. Maybe lay down some tracks. No Nirvana covers, thank you very much. I'm thinking of a more funk infused Kpop. Aristocrat is probably going to want to come in and do some prog rock guitar solos. That's fine. Room for everyone, but we'll save it for the instrumental tracks.In summary, this very same argument happens once every three to four months. And its apt that the second that Martin is unlocked from his time out room he comes in here and sprays his theories across the thread. But hey, thats part of the flavour of this place. We're living in a society here.
Quote from: zola on October 04, 2019, 08:05:38 amGuys, guys! Can't you see that Martin has come in and torn this thread asunder? Lets all just agree:-Kpop is very awesome. And people who harass you on social media for making fun of it as a joke, are also very awesome. It's all good stuff. Dyed blonde bowl cuts for all!-Starry Night, The Scream, or that one of Jesus in some Spanish church that an old lady touched up, it's all art and its all great. Fun, fun stuff. And i enjoy it all.-Rock music is only liked by old white men. And tbh me and Martin are getting kind of sick of you guys. How about some toot tooting be bop? Little bit of Mavis Beacon? Yeah? That's what we grew up on. Rock is dead, get over it.-As for our own personal musical ability, I'm sure we are all pretty good. And i would LOVE to get together for a jam session. Maybe lay down some tracks. No Nirvana covers, thank you very much. I'm thinking of a more funk infused Kpop. Aristocrat is probably going to want to come in and do some prog rock guitar solos. That's fine. Room for everyone, but we'll save it for the instrumental tracks.In summary, this very same argument happens once every three to four months. And its apt that the second that Martin is unlocked from his time out room he comes in here and sprays his theories across the thread. But hey, thats part of the flavour of this place. We're living in a society here.prog, hard rock and classic rock are nice and all, but one of the most tiring things about being a guitarist is all the guitar community of balding, old white guys, stuck in that classic rock rut. They've made rock, in general, a bit unbearable for me; if I have to hear another old, white guy noodling inside the blues scale, I'm going to sell my guitars and focus on piano. I've been on a Future Funk and Neo-Soul kick these past few weeks and experimenting with ways to marry the explosive rock guitar, leads with those addictive beats of Future Funk and the contemporary sexiness of Neo-Soul. While I'm no K-pop fan, the instrumentals behind Infintie's 'Chaser' and Girl's Generation's 'Twinkle' are undeniably cool. I've always believed that we're all privileged to be living in the richest, most accessible, interesting and diverse period in musical history.
QuoteWhile I'm no K-pop fan, the instrumentals behind Infintie's 'Chaser' and Girl's Generation's 'Twinkle' are undeniably cool. "All Night" by GG and Red Velvet's "Bad Boy" as well. Apply some vocoder and add a dash more retro irony and you're not a millions miles away from Daft Punk. K-Pop is generally a world of abject lameness but lurking under the surface is some good production that almost justifies its success. And that's reason why I'm surprised nobody has reserved their ire for those awful, awful Koreans that assault you in coffee shops. If there's a style of Korean music that really deserves hate, it's that one. I would rather listen to almost anything than some "sensitive" loser in an oversized turtleneck sweater bellowing his contrived laments over a torturously saccharine piano melody. Literally every form of Korean music is superior to that one, trot included. And that's before I even get started on the buskers offering their ersatz version of this crap in the park...
While I'm no K-pop fan, the instrumentals behind Infintie's 'Chaser' and Girl's Generation's 'Twinkle' are undeniably cool.
I will point out that the kind of Korean adult Westerners teach in Korea are not the 'average' person in the US or the UK. In Seoul they are generally the elite of the elite. Often educated abroad at some stage and coming from the richer areas of Seoul, They probably went to various hagwans as kids, including art hagwans.
Yeah, one of the most tiring things about being a white hip hop singer like me is all the community of fat old black guys in their baggy clothes, stuck in that classic 80/90s rut. They've made the genre, in general, a bit unbearable for me; if I have to hear another old, black guy MCing or rhyming along to public enemy or Run DMC , I'm going to buy a guitar and focus on rock.
The chance to yell "disco sucks" meant more than simply a musical style choice. It was a chance to push back on a whole set of social dynamics that lay just beneath the surface of a minor battle between a DJ and a radio station that decided to change formats. More importantly, it was a chance for a whole lot of people to say they didn't like the way the world was changing around them, or who they saw as the potential victors in a cultural and demographic war.
There's a big difference. For one thing, hip-hop fans seem to have aged pretty well and accepted the evolution of things. Of course there's still some nostalgia and people who are stuck in a certain period and hating on new trends, but by and large you don't see near the same level of stuck in the past. Also, hip-hop fans aren't nearly as obnoxious about declaring artists from their genre of music the greatest ever, and are used to encountering people who have little knowledge/interest in their genre. Additionally, you don't see hip-hop fans getting all upset at Kpop or other kinds of music. The kpop hating seems to come overwhelmingly from one direction. You don't see heavy reggaeton or hip-hop or EDM fans on here griping about Kpop. The haters also happen to be overwhelmingly male, which is odd. Even on a site like this that skews male, it's still a bit way out of whack. I think Chinguetti kind of hinted at some underlying issues when she pointed this out and the hate being especially directed at boy bands.
With Korean ballads, it's probably one of the few genres, along with mumble-rap, which has NOTHING in it that I enjoy.
Trot has a goofy, folksy and soviet-esque charm to it. If anything, trot has character.
Do you actually read what people write on here? Aristocrat was being racist about rock musicians and I called him out for it by doing a parody of being racist about Hip Hop musicians. Neither of us was talking about fans.
Korea, I love you, but just because it's legally Autumn doesn't mean you get to turn the heat on.How about actually thinking about what the temperature? It's 23 bloody degrees out, there's no need to have any heat on and you should actually have the AC on.
It's September 1st, so all a/c must be off (fans ok) even though it's friggin 32 c outside! And little Jun-su is sweating in his jacket he won't take off because his mother told him to keep it on.It happens every year.Note: Jeju is very different. Kids there wear t-shirts in early November. There are actually PLENTY of differences between Koreans there and the mainland, especially among the youth. It's almost like another country. I spent 7 years on the mainland, then 7 years on Jeju, then the last 2.5 years back on the mainland, and my experiences here mirror my first seven years, with Jeju seeming like a foreign country.
Quote from: chimp on October 05, 2019, 02:11:48 pmWe not got anything better to moan about other than kpop and the temperature?Is it just me or are K-dramas utterly crap?Every single one (and I've ended up watching a fair few) seems to be stuffed with unlikeable and flat characters living in huge houses furnished with tacky shite. How this is popular elsewhere in Asia is a mystery to me. I can only guess that their output is even worse such that Korean dramas could appear to be good.I honestly watched some with an open mind and came to exactly the same conclusion. I stuck to dramas that were recommended to me by friends, got generally good write-ups online and had plots with potential. The whiny voices and overacting were too much to bear. I don't know if I've made it past two episodes of anything. They all seemed to consist exclusively of annoying, unrelatable characters in unrealistic situations making wide-eyed, exaggerated facial expressions and saying "진짜?" and "왜...?" over and over again.
We not got anything better to moan about other than kpop and the temperature?Is it just me or are K-dramas utterly crap?Every single one (and I've ended up watching a fair few) seems to be stuffed with unlikeable and flat characters living in huge houses furnished with tacky shite. How this is popular elsewhere in Asia is a mystery to me. I can only guess that their output is even worse such that Korean dramas could appear to be good.