I did it because I like music and wanted to appreciate it on a deeper level.
That's like, the definition of insecure.
Music is an art and with art 50% is emotional and subjective and expressive. It can't be quantified or analyzed and can only be vaguely theorized.
Quote from: alexisalex on September 30, 2019, 12:40:31 pmWell thank god for that! Please teach us poor, uneducated laymen riff raff more about music so we can enjoy it properly!The only rule of music- If you like it, listen to it.Why anyone takes it beyond that and starts judging people and getting all upset that people like different stuff is beyond me.
Well thank god for that! Please teach us poor, uneducated laymen riff raff more about music so we can enjoy it properly!
So the only rule of music is to like,listen to it and shut up about it. Unless you're Demartino who's allowed to write pages slagging off different genres and the people who like them, with impunity
I also notice that a lot of the music trash talking almost exclusively begins whenever a boy band is the subject. Doesn't seem to come up as often when girl groups are mentioned. Anyway: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/09/the-science-of-snobbery-how-were-duped-into-thinking-fancy-things-are-better/279571/
Again, if Kpop fans are so bad, how come they're not always on these threads talking about how much other kinds of music suck? Why do you feel the need to do that? They don't. For a bunch of alleged 16 year olds, they sure seem to be more mature about this than some.
Quote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 02:31:29 pmI did it because I like music and wanted to appreciate it on a deeper level.Music is an art and with art 50% is emotional and subjective and expressive. It can't be quantified or analyzed and can only be vaguely theorized. Some songs are remarkably simple in composition and structure, but they became "great works" through the emoting of the performer or the significance of their lyrics as emotional expression. Likewise, a piece can be technically brilliant but still utter dreck because it doesn't do anything. It has nothing to say. Also, as I've repeatedly said, with music, film, art, etc. A good 50% of viewers/listeners, do so to experience the emotions of the character/artist. They rate the work on how powerful or fulfilling that emotional experience was. Not on the technical aspect of its composition.I don't really get BTS, but they're obviously speaking something to some people. I think before we totally trash it, maybe we should listen and understand why the people who like it, like it.
Quote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 02:31:29 pmI did it because I like music and wanted to appreciate it on a deeper level.Music is an art and with art 50% is emotional and subjective and expressive. It can't be quantified or analyzed and can only be vaguely theorized.
You'd have to be deaf to hear that.Why aren't 16-year-old Korean K-pop fans posting on threads on Waygook? A website predominantly for foreign native teachers working in Korea? Is that what you asking as a way to show their maturity about music? Seriously? You're asking this? In bold?
I'm not slagging anyone off. I'm simply pointing out how if someone is going to make a bunch of disparaging remarks about Kpopstans, that one could do the same thing about the people slagging them off and that maybe, just maybe, it might cause someone to realize "Hey, bashing people for their taste in music is a crappy thing to do. Maybe I shouldn't do that. Maybe there are some gaps in my taste. Maybe I'm doing the same thing that I think they're doing."
Pretty much every professional musician will disagree with you. You get a call from a client, "Hi, we need a track for our laxative commercial by 5pm" You look at the storyboard and it's a guy in discomfort, followed by him being given the product and finally relief. You've got 3hrs to compose, record and mix the track. From your training, you know exactly how to convey these emotions through sound. Discomfort has a sound and it's very tense and dissonant, ok, so maybe starting with some dominant or augmented chords to give that jaring and uncomfortable feel, the tension builds up to say the min/Maj 7th chord, which you use as a bridge and to convey the idea of discovering a clue, finally it resolves to a basic triad tonic, or a sus2 if you want to add a bit of extra openness. The resolution creates a feeling of relief and release. If you wanted extra campiness, you could arpeggiate the final chord with a harp to give it that stereotypical light and airy feel. Done, you record, mix and send off your work. You get a call back, client loves it, but the melody is to similar to a popular song and the client is afraid of a copyright issues. No problem, you quickly reharmonize the entire track, modulate it a bit and boom, similar thing but somehow different. "How did you do that?" client asks, "magic" you reply, remembering the time your parents thought you were a computer whizz when you turned the router on and off to get the internet back online.
He knew exactly which emotion and feel he wanted his listener to experience and when. It's no lucky accident that each movement sounds like it's respective season.
While a story is a very useful starting point, the true creative process of composition is actually rather dull, frustrating, logical and mechanical.
QuoteI'm not slagging anyone off. I'm simply pointing out how if someone is going to make a bunch of disparaging remarks about Kpopstans, that one could do the same thing about the people slagging them off and that maybe, just maybe, it might cause someone to realize "Hey, bashing people for their taste in music is a crappy thing to do. Maybe I shouldn't do that. Maybe there are some gaps in my taste. Maybe I'm doing the same thing that I think they're doing."Yes you are slagging people off. You said people who still bang on about Nirvana should get over it and age gracefully. What's the difference between saying that and saying something like people who still like k pop into their twenties need to grow up a bit, for example. I don't think anyone's saying k pop fans are bad people or anything like that.
2) Related to the first, if you're going to go down the "their fans are awful and have issues" route, do the rock fans bashing on Kpop really want to go down that route?3) We're almost at the 30th anniversary of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'. Get over it. Time passes you by. Learn to age gracefully.4) Also, music in the 90s does not stop and start with Nirvana. Just as music in the 60s does not stop and start with the Beatles. Sorry, but Kurt Cobain's death was not the biggest music death of the 90s. That was 2Pac. A figure far bigger and more significant than Cobain and whose genre of music still persists to this day. And Motown was bigger AND better than the Beatles+The Beach Boys+The Rolling Stones. Yeah, I said it.
Why does it bother you so much?
Quote from: stoat on October 01, 2019, 01:20:52 pmQuoteI'm not slagging anyone off. I'm simply pointing out how if someone is going to make a bunch of disparaging remarks about Kpopstans, that one could do the same thing about the people slagging them off and that maybe, just maybe, it might cause someone to realize "Hey, bashing people for their taste in music is a crappy thing to do. Maybe I shouldn't do that. Maybe there are some gaps in my taste. Maybe I'm doing the same thing that I think they're doing."Yes you are slagging people off. You said people who still bang on about Nirvana should get over it and age gracefully. What's the difference between saying that and saying something like people who still like k pop into their twenties need to grow up a bit, for example. I don't think anyone's saying k pop fans are bad people or anything like that.Quote2) Related to the first, if you're going to go down the "their fans are awful and have issues" route, do the rock fans bashing on Kpop really want to go down that route?3) We're almost at the 30th anniversary of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'. Get over it. Time passes you by. Learn to age gracefully.4) Also, music in the 90s does not stop and start with Nirvana. Just as music in the 60s does not stop and start with the Beatles. Sorry, but Kurt Cobain's death was not the biggest music death of the 90s. That was 2Pac. A figure far bigger and more significant than Cobain and whose genre of music still persists to this day. And Motown was bigger AND better than the Beatles+The Beach Boys+The Rolling Stones. Yeah, I said it.If no one's saying Kpop fans are bad people, then what is people's beef? Who cares what they listen to? Why does it bother you so much?Also, not on this thread, but on others people have said that they actually do judge people based on what music they listen to and their character. I know because I've specifically brought up this point and people have said that yes they would judge someone.
Edit: You know, at this stage I would much prefer someone come in here and actually defend Kpop properly. It would be more interesting than this repeat argument you present every 3 months.
QuoteWhy does it bother you so much?I'm only seeing one person bothered so much in this thread.
Quote from: zola on October 01, 2019, 01:40:16 pmEdit: You know, at this stage I would much prefer someone come in here and actually defend Kpop properly. It would be more interesting than this repeat argument you present every 3 months. I already gave a proper defense: If you like it, listen to it.Nothing more needs to be said when it comes to music.
Quote from: stoat on October 01, 2019, 01:34:32 pmQuoteWhy does it bother you so much?I'm only seeing one person bothered so much in this thread. "These people's taste in music sucks.""No it doesn't, why are you so bothered about it?""I'm not bothered. You're the one that's bothered."
Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on October 01, 2019, 01:58:29 pmQuote from: zola on October 01, 2019, 01:40:16 pmEdit: You know, at this stage I would much prefer someone come in here and actually defend Kpop properly. It would be more interesting than this repeat argument you present every 3 months. I already gave a proper defense: If you like it, listen to it.Nothing more needs to be said when it comes to music. Millenniums of art criticism disagrees.