I also notice that a lot of the music trash talking almost exclusively begins whenever a boy band is the subject. Doesn't seem to come up as often when girl groups are mentioned.
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on September 30, 2019, 07:19:02 amQuote from: oglop on September 29, 2019, 02:34:57 pmi saw some article the other day and the headline called BTS a boyband. everyone in the comments were going crazy about how BTS is more than just a boyband. they should be called "innovators" or some shit like that, instead of boyband. then there were comments like "well if BTS are a boyband, Nirvana should also be called a boyband". ughhh such drivel. their fans seem weirdly defensive and neuroticBTS are a 'boyband' like 'New Kids on the Block' and crap manufactured stuff like that. They don't play their own instruments. They are dancers, that's it. They're here today, and they'll be gone tomorrow, like 'One Direction'. Nirvana are, and always will be, innovators. i think, deepdown, that most kpop fans know this, which is why they get so defensive all of the time
Quote from: oglop on September 29, 2019, 02:34:57 pmi saw some article the other day and the headline called BTS a boyband. everyone in the comments were going crazy about how BTS is more than just a boyband. they should be called "innovators" or some shit like that, instead of boyband. then there were comments like "well if BTS are a boyband, Nirvana should also be called a boyband". ughhh such drivel. their fans seem weirdly defensive and neuroticBTS are a 'boyband' like 'New Kids on the Block' and crap manufactured stuff like that. They don't play their own instruments. They are dancers, that's it. They're here today, and they'll be gone tomorrow, like 'One Direction'. Nirvana are, and always will be, innovators.
i saw some article the other day and the headline called BTS a boyband. everyone in the comments were going crazy about how BTS is more than just a boyband. they should be called "innovators" or some shit like that, instead of boyband. then there were comments like "well if BTS are a boyband, Nirvana should also be called a boyband". ughhh such drivel. their fans seem weirdly defensive and neurotic
Quote from: alexisalex on September 30, 2019, 12:40:31 pmWell thank god for that! Please teach us poor, uneducated laymen riff raff more about music so we can enjoy it properly!The only rule of music- If you like it, listen to it.Why anyone takes it beyond that and starts judging people and getting all upset that people like different stuff is beyond me.
Well thank god for that! Please teach us poor, uneducated laymen riff raff more about music so we can enjoy it properly!
3) We're almost at the 30th anniversary of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'. Get over it. Time passes you by. Learn to age gracefully.4) Also, music in the 90s does not stop and start with Nirvana. Just as music in the 60s does not stop and start with the Beatles. Sorry, but Kurt Cobain's death was not the biggest music death of the 90s. That was 2Pac. A figure far bigger and more significant than Cobain and whose genre of music still persists to this day. And Motown was bigger AND better than the Beatles+The Beach Boys+The Rolling Stones. Yeah, I said it.
i saw some article the other day and the headline called BTS a boyband. everyone in the comments were going crazy about how BTS is more than just a boyband. they should be called "innovators" or some shit like that, instead of boyband. then there were comments like "well if BTS are a boyband, Nirvana should also be called a boyband".
Quotei think, deepdown, that most kpop fans know this, which is why they get so defensive all of the timeTHIS
i think, deepdown, that most kpop fans know this, which is why they get so defensive all of the time
Quote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 11:17:57 amAs someone who plays 3 instruments and has an ABRSM grade 7 music theory certificate...So the whole point of your post then (because it's not even worth your time and it bores you) is to tell everyone that you play three instruments and have a music theory certificate
As someone who plays 3 instruments and has an ABRSM grade 7 music theory certificate...
Since you're a layman on music, you're not going to understand or appreciate harmonic or melodic analysis and that's fine, you can still enjoy music.
... can be appreciated on different levels, some of those levels require a certain understanding of how it works.
Some points-1) Rock is not the center of the modern music universe. What I've noticed is the people most annoyed with Kpop are invariably strong rock/country listeners. People who are into EDM/Top 40/Rap/or most of all- A broad variety of music (virtually any music genre) are far less likely to be bothered by it. 2) Related to the first, if you're going to go down the "their fans are awful and have issues" route, do the rock fans bashing on Kpop really want to go down that route? 3) We're almost at the 30th anniversary of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'. Get over it. Time passes you by. Learn to age gracefully.4) Also, music in the 90s does not stop and start with Nirvana. Just as music in the 60s does not stop and start with the Beatles. Sorry, but Kurt Cobain's death was not the biggest music death of the 90s. That was 2Pac. A figure far bigger and more significant than Cobain and whose genre of music still persists to this day. And Motown was bigger AND better than the Beatles+The Beach Boys+The Rolling Stones. Yeah, I said it. 5) People listen to music for different reasons. Also, not everyone likes the cacophony of guitars and angry frustrated yelling. Some people like vocals and I dunno, songs that aren't full of anger and frustration. Maybe something mildly happy. 6) Kpop is lip-synced during the live performance for dance songs. That's because they're also dancing. During ballads, they sing live. Also, no one seems upset when performers in other genres sing but don't play instruments. Or even when their favorite rock band has a lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument. 7) As far as defensiveness and insecurity, this is like the umpteenth rant about how Kpop sucks. How many threads/posts have Kpop fans started about how other music sucks? Who is being defensive and insecure here?"I think your music is crap""I disagree+reasons""You're being insecure and defensive because you don't agree with me that the music you like is crap."
i didn't really give enough of a shit to google it, but the fact that these lists exist and it's considered a "scandal" makes me believe that's it's the exception, not the norm (unlike kpop)
Quote from: oglop on September 30, 2019, 06:56:37 pmi didn't really give enough of a shit to google it, but the fact that these lists exist and it's considered a "scandal" makes me believe that's it's the exception, not the norm (unlike kpop)i think its only a scandal because the expectations are different (especially for some of the singers on that list who don't really dance). i don't think anyone would suggest that k-pop idols (or anyone else) should be able to dance and sing at the same time. you might argue that they shouldn't be dancing at all (or that they should be dancing less), but that's a different argument.
Quote from: tylerthegloob on October 01, 2019, 07:13:26 amQuote from: oglop on September 30, 2019, 06:56:37 pmi didn't really give enough of a shit to google it, but the fact that these lists exist and it's considered a "scandal" makes me believe that's it's the exception, not the norm (unlike kpop)i think its only a scandal because the expectations are different (especially for some of the singers on that list who don't really dance). i don't think anyone would suggest that k-pop idols (or anyone else) should be able to dance and sing at the same time. you might argue that they shouldn't be dancing at all (or that they should be dancing less), but that's a different argument.maybe that's why the songs are so unmemorable? half it kpop is the performance and dancing, rather than just about the music. i dunno
2. what's wrong with rock music fans? seriously. did i miss something?
yeah sure. but the fact people still listen to it 30 years later must mean something. i'd be surprised if any current kpop song is listened to 30 years from now
do western pop artists ever lip sync while dancing? not sure they would get away with it (i swear i've just "scandals" in the past of artists being accused of it. so i guess it's not acceptable generally?)
but the fans are often insane. that's my only point. i wouldn't be upset if someone said my favourite band sucked. but getting defensive over (wrongly) perceived slights? ughhh
Quote from: Aristocrat on September 30, 2019, 02:31:29 pm... can be appreciated on different levels, some of those levels require a certain understanding of how it works. very true. pro-level reaver/shuttle micro looks relatively easy if you don't know what it takes to make it happen
I did it because I like music and wanted to appreciate it on a deeper level.
That's like, the definition of insecure.
Music is an art and with art 50% is emotional and subjective and expressive. It can't be quantified or analyzed and can only be vaguely theorized.