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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10120 on: August 08, 2019, 02:42:40 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10121 on: August 08, 2019, 08:24:46 pm »
right, i'm almost certain that the whole of korean tv is run and funded by the mighty Ramyeon Mafia. there's no other explanation as to why every single tv show - regardless of the show or genre - films people sitting around eating ramyeon, every single episode


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10122 on: August 08, 2019, 08:47:53 pm »
right, i'm almost certain that the whole of korean tv is run and funded by the mighty Ramyeon Mafia. there's no other explanation as to why every single tv show - regardless of the show or genre - films people sitting around eating ramyeon, every single episode

Itís almost like boobs in western TV!


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10123 on: August 08, 2019, 11:24:52 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10124 on: August 09, 2019, 02:07:31 pm »
I really wish Koreans would mind their business sometimes. There are the good ones who are offering to help when you're in need of some kind of assistance, and then there's the ajeossi who sees the foreigner at the post office and decides he wants to see how well the employee can communicate with him. Let's peek at the foreigner's personal information as well so we know that she's translating correctly!

What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

It doesn't serve any purpose, like a lot of things in this country. But there are many things you can accomplish with your time, if you know what to do. I can't tell you how much anime I've watched!
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10125 on: August 09, 2019, 02:13:15 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10126 on: August 09, 2019, 02:33:58 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk

What does your contract state?
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10127 on: August 09, 2019, 02:36:08 pm »
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk
At least in the US, it varies in accordance with employee's status and contract and whether they are part of a union. But generally, yes, there are a minimum number of working hours required both for the semester/school term and the work week. All of which is subject to government oversight.

Did they sign the contract to work a specified number of hours per week and a specified number of days per year? If so, they should have no problem fulfilling the terms of their contract. If they wanted something different, they could have negotiated prior to signing. Or perhaps do a few favors and then when it comes time to getting what they want, the school might be more flexible.

Anyways, it's always funny how people here will complain about Korean contracts being guidelines, and then being upset that the school doesn't see the contract as a guideline. Then they'll complain about unfair treatment, but want special treatment from the terms of the contract. They'll complain that the school asks for a favor and coming in on some school event on the weekend and then complain that their school won't do them a solid and let them leave early during summer.

I DO have sympathy for the people who are consistent- The school did a "guideline" interpretation of their contract and won't do the same for them. The school asked them for a favor, which they did, and won't do one for them. Or the people who want a strict interpretation of the contract and the school isn't following it strictly in ensuring their proper vacation and compensation and they, the teacher, have strictly followed the contract. All of that is fine. That's objective consistency.

But be consistent in your principles.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10128 on: August 09, 2019, 02:39:49 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk
No it's not normal. I'm comparing my experience as a teacher from back home (Australia). If you're finished for the day, no extra classes, lesson planned and no meetings after school. You can sign out and go home.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10129 on: August 09, 2019, 02:52:12 pm »
No it's not normal. I'm comparing my experience as a teacher from back home (Australia). If you're finished for the day, no extra classes, lesson planned and no meetings after school. You can sign out and go home.
Were you part of a teacher's union that negotiated that through collective bargaining and part of a contract which you signed?

I'm pretty sure in the contract there is SOME sort of clause that mandates a certain number of working days and working hours.

Anyways, this research suggests that teachers in Australia are working MORE hours than teachers in Korea. Now of course, this doesn't deal with NETs, who have different terms, but then you might have to compare Australian contract workers with the relevant educational body vs. contracted NETs. http://www.oecd.org/education/EAG2014-Indicator%20D4%20(eng).pdf


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10130 on: August 09, 2019, 07:46:16 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk

What does your contract state?
i don't work for any MOE. i DO teach at a private elementary school, however, and can go home whenever i'm done planning. i get paid by the class, but also get paid overtime (same rate) if i need to do paperwork, which is nice. so i'm free to work other jobs and make more money if i want.

it's just a waste of everyone's time sitting at your desk doing nothing. if they offer you extra after school classes, fair enough. but sitting...doing nothing....for 4 hours every day? feck off


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10131 on: August 09, 2019, 11:17:02 pm »
i don't work for any MOE. i DO teach at a private elementary school, however, and can go home whenever i'm done planning. i get paid by the class, but also get paid overtime (same rate) if i need to do paperwork, which is nice. so i'm free to work other jobs and make more money if i want.

it's just a waste of everyone's time sitting at your desk doing nothing. if they offer you extra after school classes, fair enough. but sitting...doing nothing....for 4 hours every day? feck off
Again, you're not looking at this from the perspective of management or people who deal with things like government audits. For private schools, they don't have such oversight. For public schools, there's usually some sort of regulation behind such acts.

If you, as the boss, let one employee not show up even though their contract mandates it, then the other employees are going to demand such action. Then they'll try and push the envelope. First it's summer break. Then it becomes during the school year. Then employees start bickering and fighting over who gets special time off. Obviously SOMEONE has to stay. You can't just have the school completely abandoned after 3PM or whatever. Parents are going to expect that they'll be able to drop in during business hours and that the teachers are preparing adequately. If they show up and the school is completely closed, they'll rightfully ask "WTF is going on here? Are people taking their jobs seriously?" Or what if someone from the county or provincial level decides to call and wonders why no one is answering the phone?

And sooner or later SOMEONE will be outside of work during contractually specified hours and something will happen. This will prompt an audit. Do YOU want to be responsible for that?

You may believe that employees are always nice and honest and responsible and management is just a bunch of dimwitted meanies, but the second you assume that position of responsibility, you realize you have to set boundaries and employees are going to test those and do everything they can to maximize their advantage and they don't care what happens to you.

And seriously, this idea that getting paid money TO DO NOTHING is some horror, my goodness what an easy life someone must have led to develop such a mindset.

Or you know, people could just watch Netflix and do some light lesson prep during that time and everyone's chill and nothing goes wrong. But THAT is stupid. No, the good idea is for government employees to violate regulations.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10132 on: August 10, 2019, 09:15:35 am »
^ most other countries manage it

edit: i meant i'm not sure why any teachers (korean/foreign) have to stay. not just the NETs. even the korean teachers are often drinking coffee and gossiping, sleeping at their desks or online shopping

also, most of my teacher friends (uk) would do work at home/on weekends so they didn't have to stay at school
also, there's usually a receptionist who would stay until 5pm-ish(?) if anyone needs to contact the school
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10133 on: August 10, 2019, 12:50:17 pm »
^ most other countries manage it

edit: i meant i'm not sure why any teachers (korean/foreign) have to stay. not just the NETs. even the korean teachers are often drinking coffee and gossiping, sleeping at their desks or online shopping
Again, hours negotiated through collective bargaining by the teacher's union in compliance with regulations set by the relevant government authority. Those hours and regulations, once set, must be adhered to. Some unions and governmental bodies may require their teachers to be in the building only during designated teaching hours. Others may mandate a specified number of hours per week or per term.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/education-at-a-glance-2014/how-much-time-do-teachers-spend-teaching_eag_highlights-2014-26-en

As you can see, teachers have a specified number of days they must work and hours they must work.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/740575/School_teachers__pay_and_conditions_document_2018.pdf

Again, if you want Koreans to follow the contract, follow the contract yourself. This "follow the contract when it benefits me, but don't follow the contract when it doesn't benefit me" mindset is understandable, but not really the mindset of a person who is thinking objectively, nor is it the mindset of someone of someone concerned with maintaining a functioning system/organization. It is the mindset of someone who is just thinking ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.

Also, the reason that desk-warming is more strictly enforced with NETS these days is apparently some schools were pretty lax about about it. However the policy wasn't applied uniformly across Korea (as it did violate regulations). People talk, and some NETs complained. Well thanks to them, word got around and people had to be more careful.

And again, I have to bring up the outlook on work and work ethic. It is seriously baffling how ANYONE can complain about being paid money to do literally nothing. Do they have any idea how lucky that is? For a lot of money, a job and earning money requires back-breaking dangerous labor, not watching Netflix. The unmitigated gall of someone to complain about that is ridiculous. There's a serious level of arrogance and privilege there.

Have they ever worked a job where they never want to say the words "I'm bored." or "There's nothing to do." or "Why are we just sitting here"?  Those of us who have, know what immediately happens after someone says that. The boss comes over and say "You're bored just sitting here? Nothing to do? Time for everyone to do a complete inventory/clean the place top to bottom/etc." Or even worse "You're right, why are you just sitting here? Go home. I think we can run today's shift with just the 3 of us." and suddenly you're out money for the night.

And this is before we even get to work ethic. Now, I'm not saying you should be madly working and making sure everything is perfect. But while watching Netflix or listening to a podcast you could be sorting through stuff and throwing it away. upgrading a few PPT photos to high-res, sorting the books in the English library, organizing your files, getting next semester's stuff photocopied ahead of time, lazily clicking through English materials, doing a bit of work on that new lesson topic you've wanted to try, something that's not labor or thought intensive,  but is still getting stuff done.

Also, invariably there are kids around the school because of other summer classes or whatever. Open up the English library and let them come in and enjoy the A/C and they'll browse and read some books. Interact with them. Maybe play some games or read a book with them. Or if you can't do that, go out on the playground. There's probably some playing soccer or tossing a baseball or whatever.

But yeah, if I was someone's boss and saw the me me me me mindset, my response would be to be strict about deskwarming and if the employee who can't be arsed to open up the English library and simply be there while kids read the books, while he/she is watching movies is going to be complain, screw them. Let them sit there. They're not lifting a finger for me or the school. Why should I stick my neck out for them? They're showing me and the school zero and the students zero respect and zero interest and having a bad attitude. 

Why would anyone want to employ someone who would complain about having to watch movies while deskwarming and wouldn't want to open their English library for the kids? Would YOU hire someone like that? Someone who will complain about literally having to do nothing? Something who shows zero initiative in trying to interact and provide opportunities to the kids?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10134 on: August 10, 2019, 03:18:24 pm »
look, you can spin it however you want, but, desk warming is pointless. i would have the entire week planned and prepared by the end of monday, and be bored stiff tuesday-friday. none of the korean teachers needed help and i asked to do a voluntary class and was refused. i had literally nothing to do that was work-related.

not to mention having to come in during the vacation period and sit there in an empty office. well, an empty school


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10135 on: August 10, 2019, 03:24:51 pm »
look, you can spin it however you want, but, desk warming is pointless. i would have the entire week planned and prepared by the end of monday, and be bored stiff tuesday-friday. none of the korean teachers needed help and i asked to do a voluntary class and was refused. i had literally nothing to do that was work-related.

not to mention having to come in during the vacation period and sit there in an empty office. well, an empty school

What's your alternative system? YOU and only YOU get to leave whenever you feel like it? No contractually stated work hours and work days?

The point is that it maintains order, discipline, fairness, accountability, responsibility, and equal treatment.

My immediate response would be to adjust the budget by reducing teacher pay in proportion to the amount of hours they would miss and then reallocate it elsewhere. Clearly you don't need the money because you are unwilling to do ZERO work to earn it. And if you show zero initiative to work, then we would just be paying you to do nothing. From the perspective of management, you should be grateful you get paid money to do nothing. But since there's zero return and lots of complaints, I would rather that money go elsewhere or to more motivated employees.

In fact, if that is the attitude that is prevelant, perhaps it is time to eliminate all NETs from the Big 7 and replace them with Filipinos who we could pay 2/3rds as much and will have 4X the work ethic. Also, we can pay them hourly instead of salary.

Thanks for making a great case as to why you should be laid off. And since you might well be leaving outside of your designated working hours, if I have evidence, I can terminate you with cause. And if you signed any government documents that stated otherwise, I could pursue criminal charges of fraud/embezzlement and perjury and also take you to civil court to recover lost money + damages.

Or would you rather desk warm?
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10136 on: August 10, 2019, 03:54:28 pm »
Sigh.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10137 on: August 10, 2019, 04:06:30 pm »
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What's your alternative system? YOU and only YOU get to leave whenever you feel like it? No contractually stated work hours and work days?

at my current job i get paid per class, and get paid overtime if i need to do extra paperwork

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The point is that it maintains order, discipline, fairness, accountability, responsibility, and equal treatment.
doesn't make it less pointless, which is my only point

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My immediate response would be to adjust the budget by reducing teacher pay in proportion to the amount of hours they would miss and then reallocate it elsewhere. Clearly you don't need the money because you are unwilling to do ZERO work to earn it.
NET wages are low anyway. isn't the starting wage 1.9m? wages haven't gone up in....ever? might not even be a bad negotiation - don't increase wages, but let you go home a bit earlier.

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And if you show zero initiative to work, then we would just be paying you to do nothing. From the perspective of management, you should be grateful you get paid money to do nothing. But since there's zero return and lots of complaints, I would rather that money go elsewhere or to more motivated employees.
i just told you i was trying to find stuff to do, but was shot down every time.

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In fact, if that is the attitude that is prevelant, perhaps it is time to eliminate all NETs from the Big 7 and replace them with Filipinos who we could pay 2/3rds as much and will have 4X the work ethic. Also, we can pay them hourly instead of salary.
i think this has been discussed before. just because you're filipino, it doesn't mean you have perfect english. (having said that, i'm sure a lot of NETs don't have a good grasp of grammar. but at least they know what is good/bad english).

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Thanks for making a great case as to why you should be laid off. And since you might well be leaving outside of your designated working hours, if I have evidence, I can terminate you with cause. And if you signed any government documents that stated otherwise, I could pursue criminal charges of fraud/embezzlement and perjury and also take you to civil court to recover lost money + damages.
more likely you'd just get a warning/not renewed. i doubt any public school would take you to court? the only time i skipped deskwarming was during the vacation when i was the only one in school. i wasn't going to renew anyway, and nobody ended up saying anything

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Or would you rather desk warm?
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10138 on: August 10, 2019, 05:06:44 pm »
The point is that it maintains order, discipline, fairness, accountability, responsibility, and equal treatment.

Nope, you ignored his words which were "...having to come in during vacation and sit in an empty office. well, an empty school"

During my first year, at a school I no longer work at, I was told to come in on a day when a typhoon was raging through the city; I'm talking about trees falling on cars and every other student and
teacher, save yours truly, was instructed to stay home by a particular asshole of a principal. To be clear, I wasn't forgotten, I was specifically told to come in.
Last year, my wife had to deskwarm, till 4:30, after camp, at a school were the principal allowed every other teacher, aside from her, to leave early. Only the janitor was the other soul in the entire building. These are only 2 examples of similar things I've heard of and personally experienced over the years.

I'm not seeing the "equal treatment" or "fairness" you mentioned and another thing, Korean HR teachers get PAID a lot more than we do to put up with that crap.

Furthermore, you forget a huge distinction; a Korean HR teacher gets paid to teach, do admin and put up with crap from parents. We are paid to teach AND live away from our homes, families, friends etc. Korean HR teachers get paid more than us and have admin work to do as well.

You know want to know why the majority of NETs end up "giving up" or becoming flaky teachers? Well, it's pretty much the exact same reason Korean teachers give up and why I've got a class filled with a dozen 13yr olds who've never been taught how to hold a f*cking pencil properly; teachers, in Korea, get little to no support.
When have NETs, or representatives of NETs, been called in by the POE to discuss curriculum? asked to select or appraise textbooks? asked for any thoughts at all?

I literally watched the zeal of 3 brand new Korean teachers (fresh out of college) diminish, week by week, as they realised that efforts to help a student/do their job, was usually met with fierce resistance instead of support and they'd eventually adopt the attitude of ambivalence I've come to know from so many Korean teachers and NETs.
A girl doesn't know her ABCs, I try to get her HR teacher to help me give her extra tuition, particularly as I'm not there 5 days a week. I was willing to sacrifice my deskwarming time. Nope, HR teacher is "too busy" and so is the girl. Parents complain if I give homework or discipline a kid for showing the finger to my CT. Spineless VP always takes the parents side.

What's the alternate system you say? Let NETs go home. We aren't paid by the hour.

I don't need to make a case, the proof is around us. Teachers (Korean and NET) are slacking because the higher ups basically give us a big FU instead of support and we respond in kind.
Teaching is a thankless profession, no need to make it harder, particularly when the reasons are completely unnecessary.


On a somewhat related note, Tino.

You should remember that many of the NETs here aren't actually on holiday. They're desperately trying to save. pay of loans, make a living and do their job well.
I don't know who you're trying to impress, but when you constantly sh*t on NETs for being lazy, entitled or whatever, it really doesn't make you sound humble, honest or virtuous. You think showing that you're not afraid to put the nature of your livelihood down makes you an objective person?
Nobody is impressed.




Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10139 on: August 10, 2019, 06:06:10 pm »
at my current job i get paid per class, and get paid overtime if i need to do extra paperwork
And that works great for private schools or Hagwons or other types of teaching. I used to teach Uni part-time and I got paid by the class and that was it.

But for public schools you have a different structure. They have to do everything in accordance with regulation. You can't just have arbitrary decisions by individual principals acting as local barons. Well, we used to have that. Till people complained and instead of some people getting time off through luck or skill, now you are getting this "by the book" treatment.

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doesn't make it less pointless, which is my only point
But again, it isn't pointless. There are reasons for it. Also, did they sign the contract to work those hours? Yes? THEN STFU AND WORK THE EFFIN HOURS. If they don't like it, don't sign.

Seriously, for as much as people on this site bitch and moan about Korean's not following contracts, they sure do love to bitch and moan about having to follow the contract.

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i just told you i was trying to find stuff to do, but was shot down every time.
That means the place you worked exercised desk-warming poorly, not that the concept in general is bad.

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NET wages are low anyway. isn't the starting wage 1.9m? wages haven't gone up in....ever? might not even be a bad negotiation - don't increase wages, but let you go home a bit earlier.
If I was consulting, I'd say eliminate pay during break months. Don't come in and get zero dollars. or would you rather get paid 2.2 million to watch Netflix?

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i think this has been discussed before. just because you're filipino, it doesn't mean you have perfect english. (having said that, i'm sure a lot of NETs don't have a good grasp of grammar. but at least they know what is good/bad english).
It's about opportunity-cost. If Big-7 workers are going to have a poor attitude, and Grade C- work ethic for B+ levels of English, then I might take Filipinos with A- work ethic and B- levels of English for 2/3rds the pay. More efficient outlay of resources. I can then take the money saved and put it somewhere else.

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no
Fine. Don't want to work, don't get paid. Zero reason the school should pay you. Also, it's apparent you don't think your job is important or essential to fight for it.