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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10100 on: July 30, 2019, 02:57:38 pm »
Omg, so spoon-fed.
I did an activity during my camp which was definitely hard.  But I gave them all the tools they needed to do it, they just needed to put in 2 seconds of thought and a bit of effort.
My cot almost stopped the activity, but I managed to stop him.  Next thing we know, we have a class full of students doing an amazing job and really enjoying the activity. 

Reminds me of my first year. I was playing a writing game with my grade 4s with the words (and numbers) written on the chalkboard.  All they had to do was think of the number, look at board, and write the English word that was there.
Nope! Apparently that was too hard so my cot told them to just write the numeral (ie-no English). The next week they had a writing test and, no surprise, they failed. 
And somehow my cot was shocked by that.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10101 on: July 31, 2019, 08:30:01 am »
Camp usually ends up bringing way more frustration than the same time spent teaching.

Almost 40 students volunteered for my school's camp, including 2 of my star students. These 2 girls are diligent, humble, curious and always enthusiastic about improving their English and knowledge of western culture. There was only space for 20 students, so, a kind of lottery was put in place and unfortunately, these girls didn't win. They told me they were pretty disappointed and tried extra hard in the classes preceding the end of the school term. 

First day of camp, 3 students don't show up.

One casually strolls in the next day, 20min late, and I ask where she was.  The girl sheepishly says she was sleeping, and laughs. Not one person in the class, including my CT saw the problem. The other 2 didn't arrive.

Today, 2 students are missing. Where are they? Oh, their family decided to go on vacation. They signed up for the camp, came for the first day and the family decides to go on holiday. The exact same thing happens almost every year at every camp.

Sometimes, I really don't understand the mentality in this country and it's a good thing my time here is limited.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10102 on: July 31, 2019, 06:23:12 pm »
Camp usually ends up bringing way more frustration than the same time spent teaching.

Almost 40 students volunteered for my school's camp, including 2 of my star students. These 2 girls are diligent, humble, curious and always enthusiastic about improving their English and knowledge of western culture. There was only space for 20 students, so, a kind of lottery was put in place and unfortunately, these girls didn't win. They told me they were pretty disappointed and tried extra hard in the classes preceding the end of the school term. 

First day of camp, 3 students don't show up.

One casually strolls in the next day, 20min late, and I ask where she was.  The girl sheepishly says she was sleeping, and laughs. Not one person in the class, including my CT saw the problem. The other 2 didn't arrive.

Today, 2 students are missing. Where are they? Oh, their family decided to go on vacation. They signed up for the camp, came for the first day and the family decides to go on holiday. The exact same thing happens almost every year at every camp.

Sometimes, I really don't understand the mentality in this country and it's a good thing my time here is limited.

Summer camps arenít much different in Canada. We are here for longer than expected, and my son has been successful in getting into 4  weekly camps from the waiting list.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10103 on: August 01, 2019, 10:31:49 am »
Camp usually ends up bringing way more frustration than the same time spent teaching.

Almost 40 students volunteered for my school's camp, including 2 of my star students. These 2 girls are diligent, humble, curious and always enthusiastic about improving their English and knowledge of western culture. There was only space for 20 students, so, a kind of lottery was put in place and unfortunately, these girls didn't win. They told me they were pretty disappointed and tried extra hard in the classes preceding the end of the school term. 

First day of camp, 3 students don't show up.

One casually strolls in the next day, 20min late, and I ask where she was.  The girl sheepishly says she was sleeping, and laughs. Not one person in the class, including my CT saw the problem. The other 2 didn't arrive.

Today, 2 students are missing. Where are they? Oh, their family decided to go on vacation. They signed up for the camp, came for the first day and the family decides to go on holiday. The exact same thing happens almost every year at every camp.

Sometimes, I really don't understand the mentality in this country and it's a good thing my time here is limited.

Those students should be banned from attending future camps to teach them (and their parents) a lesson about manners. I know that a Korean public servant would never be brave enough to do that and face the inevitable outrage from the entitled parents, but it's what those rude and disrespectful families deserve.


  • Mr C
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10104 on: August 01, 2019, 12:44:27 pm »
to be fair, you don't really need an english dictionary at elementary schools. they'd take 10 minutes looking up something, and the class is only 40 minutes

Generally true.  But my sixth graders do a debate during the lesson on expressing opinions, and the dictionaries get some serious use as the teams are preparing their arguments.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10105 on: August 01, 2019, 12:46:12 pm »
to be fair, you don't really need an english dictionary at elementary schools. they'd take 10 minutes looking up something, and the class is only 40 minutes

Generally true.  But my sixth graders do a debate during the lesson on expressing opinions, and the dictionaries get some serious use as the teams are preparing their arguments.
damn, that's great. bet that's a great class to teach


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10106 on: August 06, 2019, 03:37:54 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10107 on: August 06, 2019, 04:57:37 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10108 on: August 07, 2019, 11:15:59 am »
LOL I post a good analogy about Jimmy McGill and Erin Brill as comparisons to English Teachers in Korea and taeyang mod calls it low effort and locks it.   Yes, the mods here are really your typical mods like anywhere else...making up for what they lack in RL.   Whatever floats your boat.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10109 on: August 07, 2019, 11:18:44 am »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

Like I said, we are the Jimmy McGill's of english teachers.  The Erin Brills are the ones who would think quite opposite of this and be more than glad to stay til 4:40 and deskwarm probably writing up 2020 and 2021's lesson plans and summer/winter camps.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10110 on: August 07, 2019, 12:06:15 pm »
Yes, the mods here are really your typical mods like anywhere else...making up for what they lack in RL.   Whatever floats your boat.
Ahoy!
Actually, I really  wish that I had a boat in RL. But considering ESL wages, that ship has sailed.
My lack of real world yachts is why all my moderating efforts include nautical references.
No point in alliding my head against my desk, though, as pretty much everything else in my life is in ship-shape!


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10111 on: August 07, 2019, 07:35:23 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

Like I said, we are the Jimmy McGill's of english teachers.  The Erin Brills are the ones who would think quite opposite of this and be more than glad to stay til 4:40 and deskwarm probably writing up 2020 and 2021's lesson plans and summer/winter camps.

Spoken like someone who has never been in a position of authority and responsibility and accountability before. You do realize that if every employees acts like Jimmy McGill, then the entire operation would fall apart, right? You do also realize that if one employee gets special privileges, then ALL employees get special privileges and then one day the internal auditors show up and notice that no one is at the school and ask what's going on and start going through the records and the books, right?

I know, I know, you think you're so smart that you'll never get caught. In reality the only reason YOU haven't been caught is you're not significant enough for anyone to care.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10112 on: August 07, 2019, 08:11:55 pm »
...In reality the only reason YOU haven't been caught is you're not significant enough for anyone to care.

:)


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10113 on: August 08, 2019, 02:42:40 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.


  • oglop
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10114 on: August 08, 2019, 08:24:46 pm »
right, i'm almost certain that the whole of korean tv is run and funded by the mighty Ramyeon Mafia. there's no other explanation as to why every single tv show - regardless of the show or genre - films people sitting around eating ramyeon, every single episode


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10115 on: August 08, 2019, 08:47:53 pm »
right, i'm almost certain that the whole of korean tv is run and funded by the mighty Ramyeon Mafia. there's no other explanation as to why every single tv show - regardless of the show or genre - films people sitting around eating ramyeon, every single episode

Itís almost like boobs in western TV!


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10116 on: August 08, 2019, 11:24:52 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10117 on: August 09, 2019, 02:07:31 pm »
I really wish Koreans would mind their business sometimes. There are the good ones who are offering to help when you're in need of some kind of assistance, and then there's the ajeossi who sees the foreigner at the post office and decides he wants to see how well the employee can communicate with him. Let's peek at the foreigner's personal information as well so we know that she's translating correctly!

What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

It doesn't serve any purpose, like a lot of things in this country. But there are many things you can accomplish with your time, if you know what to do. I can't tell you how much anime I've watched!
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10118 on: August 09, 2019, 02:13:15 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10119 on: August 09, 2019, 02:33:58 pm »
What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh

I often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.

Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk

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