What purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? Uggghhhhhhhh
Quote from: plan b on August 08, 2019, 02:42:40 pmQuote from: doradevi on August 06, 2019, 03:37:54 pmWhat purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? UggghhhhhhhhI often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to.
Quote from: doradevi on August 06, 2019, 03:37:54 pmWhat purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? UggghhhhhhhhI often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.
Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on August 08, 2019, 11:24:52 pmQuote from: plan b on August 08, 2019, 02:42:40 pmQuote from: doradevi on August 06, 2019, 03:37:54 pmWhat purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? UggghhhhhhhhI often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to. is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk
is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their desk
No it's not normal. I'm comparing my experience as a teacher from back home (Australia). If you're finished for the day, no extra classes, lesson planned and no meetings after school. You can sign out and go home.
Quote from: oglop on August 09, 2019, 02:13:15 pmQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on August 08, 2019, 11:24:52 pmQuote from: plan b on August 08, 2019, 02:42:40 pmQuote from: doradevi on August 06, 2019, 03:37:54 pmWhat purpose do I serve just sitting here till 4:40?? Can't I just go home around 3? I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I did my camp today and I have 5 more days to go. They're so rigid with not letting me go until 4:40. What's the education office going to do? Call and find out if I stayed till 4:40 every day during summer?????? UggghhhhhhhhI often think the same thing, but the way I rationalize it is if you wanna pay me to read books and surf the internet, then who am I to complain? I won't find a better deal than that.Exactly. Anyone complaining about getting paid to do nothing is clearly someone who has never worked a hard manual labor job or been reliant on an hourly paycheck and come to work with nothing to do and being sent home 30 minutes into your shift when you were hoping to bank 70 bucks in wages and a hundred in tips that day and suddenly your budget is wrecked for that concert you wanted to go to. is it normal in other countries for teachers to be forced to stay at school until a certain time? if you're prepared and ready for the next day, i don't see why anyone should have to stay and sit, doing nothing at their deskWhat does your contract state?
i don't work for any MOE. i DO teach at a private elementary school, however, and can go home whenever i'm done planning. i get paid by the class, but also get paid overtime (same rate) if i need to do paperwork, which is nice. so i'm free to work other jobs and make more money if i want. it's just a waste of everyone's time sitting at your desk doing nothing. if they offer you extra after school classes, fair enough. but sitting...doing nothing....for 4 hours every day? feck off
^ most other countries manage itedit: i meant i'm not sure why any teachers (korean/foreign) have to stay. not just the NETs. even the korean teachers are often drinking coffee and gossiping, sleeping at their desks or online shopping
look, you can spin it however you want, but, desk warming is pointless. i would have the entire week planned and prepared by the end of monday, and be bored stiff tuesday-friday. none of the korean teachers needed help and i asked to do a voluntary class and was refused. i had literally nothing to do that was work-related. not to mention having to come in during the vacation period and sit there in an empty office. well, an empty school
What's your alternative system? YOU and only YOU get to leave whenever you feel like it? No contractually stated work hours and work days?
The point is that it maintains order, discipline, fairness, accountability, responsibility, and equal treatment.
My immediate response would be to adjust the budget by reducing teacher pay in proportion to the amount of hours they would miss and then reallocate it elsewhere. Clearly you don't need the money because you are unwilling to do ZERO work to earn it.
And if you show zero initiative to work, then we would just be paying you to do nothing. From the perspective of management, you should be grateful you get paid money to do nothing. But since there's zero return and lots of complaints, I would rather that money go elsewhere or to more motivated employees.
In fact, if that is the attitude that is prevelant, perhaps it is time to eliminate all NETs from the Big 7 and replace them with Filipinos who we could pay 2/3rds as much and will have 4X the work ethic. Also, we can pay them hourly instead of salary.
Thanks for making a great case as to why you should be laid off. And since you might well be leaving outside of your designated working hours, if I have evidence, I can terminate you with cause. And if you signed any government documents that stated otherwise, I could pursue criminal charges of fraud/embezzlement and perjury and also take you to civil court to recover lost money + damages.
Or would you rather desk warm?
at my current job i get paid per class, and get paid overtime if i need to do extra paperwork
doesn't make it less pointless, which is my only point
i just told you i was trying to find stuff to do, but was shot down every time.
NET wages are low anyway. isn't the starting wage 1.9m? wages haven't gone up in....ever? might not even be a bad negotiation - don't increase wages, but let you go home a bit earlier.
i think this has been discussed before. just because you're filipino, it doesn't mean you have perfect english. (having said that, i'm sure a lot of NETs don't have a good grasp of grammar. but at least they know what is good/bad english).
no
During my first year, at a school I no longer work at, I was told to come in on a day when a typhoon was raging through the city; I'm talking about trees falling on cars and every other student andteacher, save yours truly, was instructed to stay home by a particular asshole of a principal. To be clear, I wasn't forgotten, I was specifically told to come in. Last year, my wife had to deskwarm, till 4:30, after camp, at a school were the principal allowed every other teacher, aside from her, to leave early. Only the janitor was the other soul in the entire building. These are only 2 examples of similar things I've heard of and personally experienced over the years.I'm not seeing the "equal treatment" or "fairness" you mentioned and another thing, Korean HR teachers get PAID a lot more than we do to put up with that crap. Furthermore, you forget a huge distinction; a Korean HR teacher gets paid to teach, do admin and put up with crap from parents. We are paid to teach AND live away from our homes, families, friends etc. Korean HR teachers get paid more than us and have admin work to do as well.You know want to know why the majority of NETs end up "giving up" or becoming flaky teachers? Well, it's pretty much the exact same reason Korean teachers give up and why I've got a class filled with a dozen 13yr olds who've never been taught how to hold a f*cking pencil properly; teachers, in Korea, get little to no support. When have NETs, or representatives of NETs, been called in by the POE to discuss curriculum? asked to select or appraise textbooks? asked for any thoughts at all?I literally watched the zeal of 3 brand new Korean teachers (fresh out of college) diminish, week by week, as they realised that efforts to help a student/do their job, was usually met with fierce resistance instead of support and they'd eventually adopt the attitude of ambivalence I've come to know from so many Korean teachers and NETs. A girl doesn't know her ABCs, I try to get her HR teacher to help me give her extra tuition, particularly as I'm not there 5 days a week. I was willing to sacrifice my deskwarming time. Nope, HR teacher is "too busy" and so is the girl. Parents complain if I give homework or discipline a kid for showing the finger to my CT. Spineless VP always takes the parents side.
What's the alternate system you say? Let NETs go home. We aren't paid by the hour.
I don't need to make a case, the proof is around us. Teachers (Korean and NET) are slacking because the higher ups basically give us a big FU instead of support and we respond in kind. Teaching is a thankless profession, no need to make it harder, particularly when the reasons are completely unnecessary.
I don't know who you're trying to impress, but when you constantly sh*t on NETs for being lazy, entitled or whatever, it really doesn't make you sound humble, honest or virtuous. You think showing that you're not afraid to put the nature of your livelihood down makes you an objective person? Nobody is impressed.
there are 4 billion people who would literally give their right kidney to have such a job.