Read 2090136 times

  • JNM
  • The Legend

    • 4613

    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Seoul, South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10000 on: July 02, 2019, 07:48:32 pm »
That's exactly what they're doing, hiding from the world for an hour or two. As long as they're sitting on some stupid piece of machinery that nobody should be using, like the leg-extension machine, then they're doing the rest of the gym a favour.

What is with all the hate for leg extension machines, lol?

Itís my favorite!

(Mainly because I can leg press 2X the expected amount based on what I can do on the other machines.)


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10001 on: July 02, 2019, 10:46:39 pm »
I've had meniscus surgery in Korea and have to be careful about the leg exercises that I do at the gym.

What you guys are talking about is the leg press, not the leg extension. The leg extension is a different exercise which is very safe and generally recommended for rehabilitation. Google it.

The leg press is safe enough between 90-180 degrees, but at less than 90 degrees it puts a lot of pressure on your meniscus and probably other parts of the knee anatomy too. Squatting down below 90 degrees is similarly bad for people with weak knees.

My quads are unfortunately still pathetic 18 months after my surgery, no matter what I try. Any advice would be appreciated.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10002 on: July 03, 2019, 07:47:37 am »
I've had meniscus surgery in Korea and have to be careful about the leg exercises that I do at the gym.

What you guys are talking about is the leg press, not the leg extension. The leg extension is a different exercise which is very safe and generally recommended for rehabilitation. Google it.

The leg press is safe enough between 90-180 degrees, but at less than 90 degrees it puts a lot of pressure on your meniscus and probably other parts of the knee anatomy too. Squatting down below 90 degrees is similarly bad for people with weak knees.

My quads are unfortunately still pathetic 18 months after my surgery, no matter what I try. Any advice would be appreciated.

I think you're the confused one. Aside the vast majority of articles claiming that the leg extension carries with it a significant degree of knee risk, Jeff Cavaliere from Athlean X (a guy whom I've never found to be wrong and pretty much the defacto standard in fitness on YT), mirrors all the concerns I've raised and warns against this silly contraption.

This is a leg press machine (completely safe as long as you don't lock your knees... i.e AT 180 DEGREES)


This is a leg extension machine


Squatting low should have ZERO impact on your knees if you're doing the exercise properly and are bio-mechanically balanced.
For quads, do high-bar back squats, sled sprints or front squats.

(Why the leg extension is a terrible exercise)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvLpDniGiDM


  • alexisalex
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1065

    • March 02, 2014, 05:10:24 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10003 on: July 03, 2019, 08:35:12 am »
Is it illegal to walk in single file in Korea?  It must be.

I can't count the number of times I've had to step into the road to avoid shoulder barging someone coming the other way because for whatever reason they haven't moved out of the way on a narrow path.

It's usually couples walking side by side.  I don't know what the problem is.  It's like their whole world is going to end if they, for one second, have to let go of their bf/gf's hand and slip into single file while we pass each other.  Jesus, if you have to stop holding hands for a nano second on the street it doesn't mean you're going to break up!


  • alexisalex
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1065

    • March 02, 2014, 05:10:24 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10004 on: July 03, 2019, 09:03:58 am »
Don't you love it when a flood of people come into the tiny office, the air conditioning gets turned off and the windows get opened.


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6344

    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10005 on: July 03, 2019, 09:37:45 am »
Is it illegal to walk in single file in Korea?  It must be.

I can't count the number of times I've had to step into the road to avoid shoulder barging someone coming the other way because for whatever reason they haven't moved out of the way on a narrow path.

It's usually couples walking side by side.  I don't know what the problem is.  It's like their whole world is going to end if they, for one second, have to let go of their bf/gf's hand and slip into single file while we pass each other.  Jesus, if you have to stop holding hands for a nano second on the street it doesn't mean you're going to break up!

You've clearly never been in love. When you hold hands with that special someone the world melts away and you wouldn't care if they all perished in a fire.
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?


  • AvecPommesFrites
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1027

    • September 04, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
    • Incheon International Airport Immigration Office Detention Facility
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10006 on: July 03, 2019, 09:47:01 am »
Is it illegal to walk in single file in Korea?  It must be.

I can't count the number of times I've had to step into the road to avoid shoulder barging someone coming the other way because for whatever reason they haven't moved out of the way on a narrow path.

It's usually couples walking side by side.  I don't know what the problem is.  It's like their whole world is going to end if they, for one second, have to let go of their bf/gf's hand and slip into single file while we pass each other.  Jesus, if you have to stop holding hands for a nano second on the street it doesn't mean you're going to break up!

I'm looking forward to earphones and headphones hitting the Korean market in the next decade or so so I can enjoy a lovely walk in the park without listening to some ajumma blasting trot out of her SamsungBoomboX.
Soggy undergarments


  • oglop
  • The Legend

    • 4428

    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10007 on: July 03, 2019, 11:04:07 am »
Is it illegal to walk in single file in Korea?  It must be.

I can't count the number of times I've had to step into the road to avoid shoulder barging someone coming the other way because for whatever reason they haven't moved out of the way on a narrow path.

It's usually couples walking side by side.  I don't know what the problem is.  It's like their whole world is going to end if they, for one second, have to let go of their bf/gf's hand and slip into single file while we pass each other.  Jesus, if you have to stop holding hands for a nano second on the street it doesn't mean you're going to break up!

I'm looking forward to earphones and headphones hitting the Korean market in the next decade or so so I can enjoy a lovely walk in the park without listening to some ajumma blasting trot out of her SamsungBoomboX.
i can't get my head around this. hiking, riding a bike, in the park. i don't want to listen to your shitty music, especially out of shitty speakers. i mean, they don't do it on the subway, why do it in other public places?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10008 on: July 03, 2019, 11:56:21 am »
especially out of shitty speakers

This is one of my pet peeves.  People who listen to music through tinny, treble heavy speakers, especially on loud volume.  Like in the gym, people listening to shit through their phones.  If it was more bassey, I'd probably be okay with it.  Where is the joy in that?  Granted, I like DnB and techno, where if you're not getting the bass then you're missing something major, like a leg.   Like, I went hiking last week, and along the top was some guy who was lying on a bench at the top taking a nap, with his phone on his stomach listening to tinny 'trot' on full volume, so much so it was distorting.   :rolleyes:


  • alexisalex
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1065

    • March 02, 2014, 05:10:24 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10009 on: July 03, 2019, 02:15:55 pm »
Third post in this thread today but god did this wind me up when I saw it.



The arrogance of it.  If you don't know what's going on that's a player from good ol' team USA mocking England when she scored in the World Cup.

It comes not long after they beat Thailand 13-0 and were still celebrating every goal as if they'd won the world cup.  Absolutely no respect for their opponents. 

Disgusting behaviour all round really.


  • tylerthegloob
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1809

    • September 28, 2016, 10:46:24 am
    • Busan
    more
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10010 on: July 03, 2019, 02:31:25 pm »
Third post in this thread today but god did this wind me up when I saw it.

The arrogance of it.  If you don't know what's going on that's a player from good ol' team USA mocking England when she scored in the World Cup.

It comes not long after they beat Thailand 13-0 and were still celebrating every goal as if they'd won the world cup.  Absolutely no respect for their opponents. 

Disgusting behaviour all round really.

not a soccer fan so im not sure what the big deal is. is it usually rude to celebrate a goal? this doesn't seem particularly offensive, but... i'm not super tuned in to soccer culture


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10011 on: July 03, 2019, 02:37:15 pm »
It comes not long after they beat Thailand 13-0 and were still celebrating every goal as if they'd won the world cup.  Absolutely no respect for their opponents. 

Disgusting behaviour all round really.

The possible 'pretend tea drinking' celebration, is neither here nor there with me.  Whatever.  If England had won we could have celebrated by one player being a toilet, while another player sits on her, and then pretends to have a shitting related heart attack.

But celebrating every goal like it is a golden goal in the 13-0 win against Thailand is not on at all.  Utterly classless.  Anything after 5 or 6 and you just collect the ball, shake hands and then run back to your own half.  Charles Charlie Charles...







  • OnNut81
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1440

    • April 01, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
    • Anyang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10012 on: July 03, 2019, 03:17:53 pm »
That's exactly what they're doing, hiding from the world for an hour or two. As long as they're sitting on some stupid piece of machinery that nobody should be using, like the leg-extension machine, then they're doing the rest of the gym a favour.

What is with all the hate for leg extension machines, lol?

Quote from Jeff Cavaliere

"I’ve written before about this one, but it bears writing about it again (especially because it’s my least favorite of them all). The leg extension is one of the most unnatural and impractical (meaning…nonfunctional) exercises you can do in the gym.  It’s trying to strengthen your knee to extend or straighten, but it does so with your legs flying freely in the air!

At what point are you straightening both legs at the same time in the air?!?  Unless you’re working on a flying trapeze for a living…the answer is never!  If that wasn’t bad enough, it’s the damage that is done to your knees that makes this one brutal!

With a shearing force that is up to 8 times the amount of weight you’re attempting to lift, being borne across your knee joint on each and every rep…it’s no wonder how just a few workouts of these can take even the healthiest knee and reduce it to a nothing more than a clicking, aching, creaky hinge joint that even the Tin Man’s oil can’t fix!"

When I first read your comment about the leg-extension right away I thought this sniffs of Jeff Cavaliere.  He makes no attempt to hide his disdain for it.  I'm a big fan of Athlean-X and use a lot of his tips.  But, I would say that because he has to keep putting out vids he sometimes puts filler.  There's nothing wrong with leg-extension used properly near the end of a leg day as an isolating exercise for the quad.  You shouldn't be using heavy weight or kicking up with momentum.  As a controlled motion without locking the knee I have no fear of it.  Definitely not knocking Jeff (Jesse maybe) but a lot of his "don't do this" vids are as I said just filler.  You'd have to be a total idiot to try some of that stuff he cautions against. 


  • JNM
  • The Legend

    • 4613

    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Seoul, South Korea
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10013 on: July 03, 2019, 03:19:16 pm »
Is it illegal to walk in single file in Korea?  It must be.

I can't count the number of times I've had to step into the road to avoid shoulder barging someone coming the other way because for whatever reason they haven't moved out of the way on a narrow path.

It's usually couples walking side by side.  I don't know what the problem is.  It's like their whole world is going to end if they, for one second, have to let go of their bf/gf's hand and slip into single file while we pass each other.  Jesus, if you have to stop holding hands for a nano second on the street it doesn't mean you're going to break up!
Manitoba, Canada has a law against walking 3-abreast.
It is the lowest fine on the books, so it has been used as a proxy for other offenses, such as open liquor.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ca.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blogs/daily-buzz/infamous-two-abreast-ticket-actually-winnipeg-cops-doing-171138062.html
« Last Edit: July 04, 2019, 08:29:48 am by JNM »


  • alexisalex
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1065

    • March 02, 2014, 05:10:24 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10014 on: July 03, 2019, 04:01:18 pm »
Third post in this thread today but god did this wind me up when I saw it.

The arrogance of it.  If you don't know what's going on that's a player from good ol' team USA mocking England when she scored in the World Cup.

It comes not long after they beat Thailand 13-0 and were still celebrating every goal as if they'd won the world cup.  Absolutely no respect for their opponents. 

Disgusting behaviour all round really.

not a soccer fan so im not sure what the big deal is. is it usually rude to celebrate a goal? this doesn't seem particularly offensive, but... i'm not super tuned in to soccer culture

It's not rude to celebrate a goal but when you're scoring number seven, eight, nine etc, you shouldn't be rubbing it in the faces of the other team and should be showing a bit of humility.  Just applaud your team mates and head back to your own half ready for the kick off.


  • tylerthegloob
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1809

    • September 28, 2016, 10:46:24 am
    • Busan
    more
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10015 on: July 03, 2019, 06:45:50 pm »
Third post in this thread today but god did this wind me up when I saw it.

The arrogance of it.  If you don't know what's going on that's a player from good ol' team USA mocking England when she scored in the World Cup.

It comes not long after they beat Thailand 13-0 and were still celebrating every goal as if they'd won the world cup.  Absolutely no respect for their opponents. 

Disgusting behaviour all round really.

not a soccer fan so im not sure what the big deal is. is it usually rude to celebrate a goal? this doesn't seem particularly offensive, but... i'm not super tuned in to soccer culture

It's not rude to celebrate a goal but when you're scoring number seven, eight, nine etc, you shouldn't be rubbing it in the faces of the other team and should be showing a bit of humility.  Just applaud your team mates and head back to your own half ready for the kick off.

yeah i get it in the thailand game. but the celebration in the picture you linked doesnt seem very offensive imo


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10016 on: July 03, 2019, 10:57:34 pm »
I've had meniscus surgery in Korea and have to be careful about the leg exercises that I do at the gym.

What you guys are talking about is the leg press, not the leg extension. The leg extension is a different exercise which is very safe and generally recommended for rehabilitation. Google it.

The leg press is safe enough between 90-180 degrees, but at less than 90 degrees it puts a lot of pressure on your meniscus and probably other parts of the knee anatomy too. Squatting down below 90 degrees is similarly bad for people with weak knees.

My quads are unfortunately still pathetic 18 months after my surgery, no matter what I try. Any advice would be appreciated.

I think you're the confused one. Aside the vast majority of articles claiming that the leg extension carries with it a significant degree of knee risk, Jeff Cavaliere from Athlean X (a guy whom I've never found to be wrong and pretty much the defacto standard in fitness on YT), mirrors all the concerns I've raised and warns against this silly contraption.

This is a leg press machine (completely safe as long as you don't lock your knees... i.e AT 180 DEGREES)


This is a leg extension machine


Squatting low should have ZERO impact on your knees if you're doing the exercise properly and are bio-mechanically balanced.
For quads, do high-bar back squats, sled sprints or front squats.

(Why the leg extension is a terrible exercise)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvLpDniGiDM

You know, I agree with a lot of what you say on Waygook.org and consider you to be one of the most intelligent and insightful posters, but all I'm hearing from your here is gym bro 'science'.

After having meniscus surgery, the first two rehabilitative exercises that the orthopaedic surgeon encouraged me to do were the exercise bike and the leg extension. I don't blindly trust doctors, especially GPs, but this was a well-regarded orthopaedist who had already received his money for the operation.

I exercise a lot, and the one thing that really makes me knee issues flare up is bearing weight on my lower body with my knees bent to below 90 degrees. The leg press is possible with a low weight and starting at 90 degrees. Squatting no lower than 90 degrees is fine too. Going below that is asking for trouble.

You refer to people being 'bio-mechanically balanced' as a kind of disclaimer, but assuming that people do have everything in order is a huge assumption. A lot of people have undiagnosed meniscal tears and no doubt other injuries too, so insisting that squatting is fine for people who are injury-free is not a very persuasive argument.


  • alexisalex
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1065

    • March 02, 2014, 05:10:24 pm
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10017 on: July 04, 2019, 06:57:20 am »
Third post in this thread today but god did this wind me up when I saw it.

The arrogance of it.  If you don't know what's going on that's a player from good ol' team USA mocking England when she scored in the World Cup.

It comes not long after they beat Thailand 13-0 and were still celebrating every goal as if they'd won the world cup.  Absolutely no respect for their opponents. 

Disgusting behaviour all round really.

not a soccer fan so im not sure what the big deal is. is it usually rude to celebrate a goal? this doesn't seem particularly offensive, but... i'm not super tuned in to soccer culture

It's not rude to celebrate a goal but when you're scoring number seven, eight, nine etc, you shouldn't be rubbing it in the faces of the other team and should be showing a bit of humility.  Just applaud your team mates and head back to your own half ready for the kick off.

yeah i get it in the thailand game. but the celebration in the picture you linked doesnt seem very offensive imo

Ah ok sorry.  I suppose personally, I think it's bad form to mock your opponents' culture like that.  Just seems really trashy (whatever the opposite of "classy" is) to me.


  • Kayos
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1902

    • March 31, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
    • NZ
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10018 on: July 04, 2019, 09:11:01 am »
Is it illegal to walk in single file in Korea?  It must be.

I can't count the number of times I've had to step into the road to avoid shoulder barging someone coming the other way because for whatever reason they haven't moved out of the way on a narrow path.

It's usually couples walking side by side.  I don't know what the problem is.  It's like their whole world is going to end if they, for one second, have to let go of their bf/gf's hand and slip into single file while we pass each other.  Jesus, if you have to stop holding hands for a nano second on the street it doesn't mean you're going to break up!

You've clearly never been in love. When you hold hands with that special someone the world melts away and you wouldn't care if they all perished in a fire.

Love is nothing more than chemicals in your brain that make you want to have children.
They hit hard and fast, and slowly dies down. And once they are gone, all you are left with is a failing marriage.


  • CO2
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6344

    • March 02, 2015, 03:41:14 pm
    • Uiwang
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #10019 on: July 04, 2019, 09:39:29 am »
Love is nothing more than chemicals in your brain that make you want to have children.
They hit hard and fast, and slowly dies down. And once they are gone, all you are left with is a failing marriage.

I was exaggerating for effect, for the record. But I get what you're saying.
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?