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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #140 on: October 20, 2021, 02:27:24 pm »
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #141 on: October 20, 2021, 02:51:55 pm »
This I learned today: Islam=Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Islam isn't America either, as you and Tyler were trying to have us believe. There are lots of versions of it in lots of different countries
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #142 on: October 20, 2021, 02:55:24 pm »
Islam isn't America either, as you and Tyler were trying to have us believe. There are lots of versions of it in lots of different countries

But I went to high school in Canada with some Muslim women and they weren't beheaded for smoking marijuana behind the school!!!!!

Muslim women are free (in my opinion)


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #143 on: October 20, 2021, 03:12:43 pm »
There are lots of versions of it in lots of different countries
well aint that the truth?
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #144 on: October 20, 2021, 04:04:09 pm »
Islam isn't America either, as you and Tyler were trying to have us believe. There are lots of versions of it in lots of different countries
Right and those most relevant to us are the people who we know back home and in Korea or SE Asia. We also have to determine to what extent there is free will in countries such as Iran or Saudi Arabia. While I think private support for less restrictive measures would exist among many women in those countries, I also think many would support the current standards.

What I do know is that many of the opinions on this seem to be taken up by people who presume to speak for those who wear niqab or the burqa, rather than an actual listening and response to their opinion. I understand that in many cases this is with the best of intentions, especially other women in western countries who want to advocate for equality and freedom. At the same time there also seems to be a subset of men who want to do little more than leer at women and are upset that some practice dares to have some modesty and covering of skin and form.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #145 on: October 20, 2021, 04:04:41 pm »
They don't get stoned for not dressing modestly enough, they get beaten or slapped in some countries, like these.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/video-of-iran-morality-police-wrestling-with-woman-sparks-outrage

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/outrage-as-riyadh-video-shows-religious-police-abuse-1.1669751

More than 5yrs old.

Saudi has changed a hell of a lot in the past 5yrs, as guys like JNM can testify. Principals groping female teachers at hweshicks is pretty much a thing of the past just as the "Religious police" in Saudi have been rendered toothless and become nothing more than a bunch of grumpy old men, sitting on the corner.

Either way, what you're saying is that different countries have different laws... splendid... so how do the actions of a grand total of 2 countries tie into a Religion followed by 1.7 billion people across the globe? The historians among you will tell you that Muslims have been in South Africa for 350yrs. Guess how many stonings or public beatings for dressing immodestly took place during that time, ZERO.

It's culture, end of story.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #146 on: October 20, 2021, 04:09:53 pm »
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At the same time there also seems to be a subset of men who want to do little more than leer at women and are upset that some practice dares to have some modesty and covering of skin and form.

Sounds like projection to me. I can honestly say I've never looked at a woman in a burqua and thought 'I'd like to see her naked.' Or even less modestly clothed. Don't know what other people think.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #147 on: October 20, 2021, 04:13:44 pm »
I know this: PM sent with 2 videos. Please DO NOT watch them. They are grotesque. They are brutal in the extreme. If you do watch them - Please do not because they are horrifying - PM me and translate.

Damn! I was going to be all rebellious, ignore you and watch the videos. I can't because you didn't send them.

For future reference, copy the link address, paste into the message.

I don't know how to attach them here. If you have the balls, and I seriously doubt you do, give me a place I can send them too. This is what the world needs to know about what is happening in the Muslim world. Defend it. I dare you.

Religion is the problem on this planet and anyone who self-identifies by their religion is a dangerous individual.

^The PM I was sent... with no attachment or link.
I don't believe in discussing these things in secret.

Are you going through menopause? You're thinking with your emotions and no small amount of bias and ignorance. Find a way to relax and marshal whatever logic and reason you have before you discuss anything with me because frankly, I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #148 on: October 20, 2021, 07:01:32 pm »
Islam isn't America either, as you and Tyler were trying to have us believe. There are lots of versions of it in lots of different countries

Incorrect, big time!

See, this is where and why wording matters A LOT! There is only one Islam because there is one Qur'an. No Muslim on Earth will tell you that, in this reality, there exists a
higher authority than the Qur'an.

The teachings within the Qur'an and hadiths are not things you can learn overnight, they typically take years in a Madrasa (I attended one for years after school, like a hagwon as do most Muslim kids where I'm from since we're generally from middle-class families).
Plenty of Muslims don't have the opportunities/motivation and/or do not invest the time and effort required to learn all these teachings. So, the gaps in their Islamic knowledge get filled with cultural practices and I'll explain exactly how this happens.

Pakistan has a literacy rate of 60%, as of 2021.

This means that of the 96.47% of the population that identifies as Muslim, around 36.47% of them are unable to read the Qur'an. 36.47% of Muslims in Pakistan rely on hearsay and cultural practices
for their understanding of their faith. This isn't including the lazy or busy Pakistanis who can read and study the Qur'an who simply choose not to.

So, you have plenty of Muslims all around the world who simply do not know how to follow their Faith and rely on strong cultural influences. This is why there's oftentimes a discrepancy between
how many Muslims act.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1628652


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #149 on: October 20, 2021, 07:10:11 pm »
Is grimlock a sock account for stoat?


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #150 on: October 21, 2021, 02:53:58 am »
I'm not really sure what a sock account or a stoat is in this context. I'm quite new to this.


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #151 on: October 21, 2021, 07:31:26 am »
I'm not really sure what a sock account or a stoat is in this context. I'm quite new to this.

He can be lured out of his cave with discussions of Islam, feminism or the plight of black people in the US.


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #152 on: October 21, 2021, 07:41:33 am »
I'm not really sure what a sock account or a stoat is in this context. I'm quite new to this.

Exactly what stoat would say!


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #153 on: October 21, 2021, 07:45:44 am »
I'm not really sure what a sock account or a stoat is in this context. I'm quite new to this.

I think he also went by the name of Yoda. An English chap as I recall.


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #154 on: October 21, 2021, 07:55:16 am »
Sounds like projection to me. I can honestly say I've never looked at a woman in a burqua and thought 'I'd like to see her naked.' Or even less modestly clothed. Don't know what other people think.

That's exactly what I was thinking.  Perhaps there are some Muslim communities where guys would go ape sh*t seeing a woman in capris and a cardigan, but it's not western guys wishing they could ogle a woman in a burqua.  There are plenty of good looking women strolling along the street or at the beach or at my gym.  If seeing a good looking women dressed attractively is important, guys are spoiled for choice.  It's generally western women that feel they need to tell Muslim women how they should dress.


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #155 on: October 21, 2021, 09:38:35 am »
He can be lured out of his cave with discussions of Islam, feminism or the plight of black people in the US.



Re: Imagine....
« Reply #156 on: October 21, 2021, 03:17:56 pm »
So the silence of the mods speaks volumes. Clearly there is no ban on religious discussion, despite it being in the official Terms of Service. The Airing of Grievances is a go! First up: Calvinism. A bad sect of medieval Christianity, or the worst sect of medieval Christianity? You decide!